Merged School Secretary Persecuted For Making Porn
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Puppycow
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Well, I hope she wins. This is a kind of bigotry every bit as loathsome as homophobia.
I hope a day will come when there's no stigma in this, but obviously we're a long way off yet.
I hope a day will come when there's no stigma in this, but obviously we're a long way off yet.
sadhatter
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Did she have any kind of morals clause in her contract to work with the school? It is fairly common in a lot of professions to have rules against unprofessional behavior , and what "unprofessional " constitutes is up to the discretion of the employer.
A pharmacy technician , or pharmacist could be let go for getting a bit too rowdy at a party. It isn't an issue of " Porn is bad" but of someone not keeping up their end of the professionalism bargain. One of the best pieces of advice i have received from my instructors in regards to professionalism is " Someone will always know your name." and this is a perfect example of that. Being professional doesn't stop when you leave work. And when you work with kids, being in a video that is going to get the principal known as " The guy with the porn star secretary." is not only impacting your reputation, but that of the principal.
Really, if the woman were to have asked if this would be a violation of professional conduct, she could have avoided being fired. But she attempted to sneak it under the radar in hopes she didn't have to deal with it in a professional manner.
Porn is great, the world needs more porn. But certain jobs have certain requirements for behavior outside of work. And in a school, a requirement of not being a porn star seems pretty reasonable.
mysteronyx
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According to what I've heard, she isn't being fired. Rather, they're moving her to another place in the district. Considering the embarrassment she's dealt with, that seems like a nice gesture by the school principal.
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Could you elaborate on what you think is the 'reason'? I shan't be assessing its prettiness (or hers). Can school workers be in rock bands in their spare time? Should we provide them with private drinking establishments so nobody sees them slightly tipsy on their own time? Must they holiday in School Employee Only resorts in case a student who doesn't look for porn on the internet happens to catch a glimpse of them in beachwear?
Not making a porn movie at the school or on school time seems pretty reasonable. Not making a porn movie at all just seems puritanical. Is it legal? I'm pretty sure it is. Do you think it shouldn't be? Good luck with that, but leave the poor woman alone. Oh, and institute a national health service so people don't have to do things some parts of society frown upon just to make the money for treatment. That may not have been the motivation of the woman in the OP, of course, maybe she just enjoys making porn. And money. I think it's the former that upsets you most though?
Puppycow
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I strongly disagree. It's bigotry in my opinion. And if it affects the reputation of the principal, that's bigotry too. If someone thinks being gay is "unprofessional" or harms the reputation of the school/business/whatever we don't accept that as an excuse for firing someone. What people do on their own time (as long as it's legal) is their own business.
Otherwise, what you are accepting is for anyone who even once been in a porn movie to have many doors closed to them for the rest of their life. Because porn, once it's made and published is forever. Should a person have a scarlet letter for the rest of their life?
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That's pretty much how it works, yeah.
Many go into porn thinking that will get them mainstream roles in Hollywood, which rarely happens. Usually it gets you blacklisted.
But then again, so can being in a successful sitcom. What did Bob Denver ever do after Gilligan's Island?
I think a porn star working in a school woulkd be a major distraction, both to the kids (who will eventually find out) and to coworkers. It's hard for most people to look at someone the same again after seeing them doing the things porn stars do.
Perhaps just an oversight, but the thread title seems a bit misleading. The linked article says "fired", so the thread title also should say fired.
This issue seems very complex.
If I may answer briefly to the implied inquiry in the OP "Was firing her ok?", I would have to say:
As long as porn is not generally accepted by a society - and I would say Canadians mostly do not accept it - a high school secretary should not be allowed to "moonlight in a porn movie", and thus should be let go.
I am fairly sure she knew about the risk beforehand, she made a calculated move and it backfired.
This issue seems very complex.
If I may answer briefly to the implied inquiry in the OP "Was firing her ok?", I would have to say:
As long as porn is not generally accepted by a society - and I would say Canadians mostly do not accept it - a high school secretary should not be allowed to "moonlight in a porn movie", and thus should be let go.
I am fairly sure she knew about the risk beforehand, she made a calculated move and it backfired.
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So everyone is good with the thought that a 14 year old student recognised her
Grass is green, teenagers look at porn, water is wet.
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You're 'fairly sure' what she knew? Of course you are - your opinions are very sensible, you're right in all things, and other people who disagree with your aren't stupid they're just wilfully wrong and deserve whatever punishment 'society' dishes out for behaviour it hasn't criminalised. Of course she should be sacked - she was asking for it, eh... Slut.
Would you say Canadians mostly do not 'accept' porn? I accept that you did say it, so that part of your bald assertion is fair. You would say it. Whether it's true, meaningful or relevant are questions best left unasked, I guess.
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Even before the interwebs, porn was being passed round at my school. I think I saw soft porn photos at primary, aged 11. By 14 it was hard-core Scandinavian magazines. Very educational...surely all schools should employ porn stars? Or are we still stuck with the notion that there is some education young people should be protected from?
1. Do you think the secretary was aware of a risk before making the movie?
2. Do you think a majority of Canadians accept porn as mainstream?
I would appreciate it, if you did not put words in my mouth.
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Belz...
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More ???
I'm not sure such an increase is possible. More than we have already would probably overwhelm the hornytron degeneracy pressure and cause a sexynova.
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There's a difference between being taught about sex in a clinical way, and watching people have sex. There is a difference between doing something on your own time, and doing something on your own time that everyone can see.
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"I'm giv'n her all she's got, Captain. She canna hold out much longer! I'm gonna hafta eject the hardcore!" And after the sexynova there's nothing but a black hole.
Incidentally, last line of the article says:
So the school administrators are consistent about shenanigans from their students and staff. However, if you know bad things can happen if you make a porno, and you do it anyway, you deserve what happens to you.
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jiggeryqua
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I did not put words in your mouth, or your post. You did that. I read them. I read where you are fairly sure that she knew what she was doing. You don't back that up at all, you just try to put words in my mouth. I read that you think most canadians don't accept porn. You don't back that up, or explain it, you just try to put words in my mouth. Again.
You don't deserve it, but here's the answers:
1. I don't know. Neither do you.
2. I don't know, I haven't asked them. Have you? Or are you using 'majority' in the sense of 'right thinking people' as in 'people like me must be the majority because I'm normal, unlike that pervert in the OP'.
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Did I say the porn stars should teach by example? No. I do think they're better placed to talk about sex (which is generally not 'clinical', thank dog) than most biology teachers (or at least the one charged with that task at my school...)
There is also a difference between criminal behaviour and stuff you think people shouldn't do because you're a bit uncomfortable with it. I'm not overly keen on too much legislation over personal behaviour with no victims, but I'm aggressively opposed to moral bullying.
You're concerned that 'everyone' could see what she did in her spare time. If she had got a part in a mainstream movie with no porn in it at all, would you feel the same? Could you take a stab at answering the questions I posed earlier about School Employee Only bars and resorts?
So everyone is good with the thought that a 14 year old student recognised her
I don't get it. Are you surprised that a 14 year was looking at porn?
Your reaction reveals quite obviously that I have touched a nerve. I apologize if I offended you, but keep in mind that this is a public message board.
Now, to my assumptions and to the two questions I asked you. The article does give some hints:
1. Do you think the secretary was aware of a risk before making the movie?
The article says:
"Ardente asked the student to keep quiet but the word started to spread around the school quickly.
She said she then told her supervisor what happened.
The single mother of two said Friday she offered to never again appear in an adult film and even accepted to be relocated to another school.
"I was ready to accept a lot of things because my professional life matters more than my life as a porn star," she said in an interview.
Ardente noted however the board went too far in their demands and intruded in her personal life.
"I understand them and they understand me, but we couldn't find an agreement," she said. "Had I agreed to their conditions, I would have basically been prevented from going out and being photographed. This is absurd.""
I based my assumotion on this. I do understand that it is only one source but the story and the way it is presented look credible to me.
I also think that every healthy, sensible adult in a western country knows that making porn might pose some risk to your curriculum vitae if it comes out - except if you last name is Kardashian. It seems common sense, does it not?
2. Do you think a majority of Canadians accept porn as mainstream?
Again from the article:
"The head of the school board, Leopold Castonguay, said Ardente's after-hours exploits went against the school's mission and values.
He said Ardente refused to comply with the school's requirements and noted the board was left with no choice but to fire her.
"We believe the facts and actions that led to this incident were inappropriate, unacceptable and incompatible not only with our mission but also with the values that we are trying to pass on to our young students," Castonguay said in a statement.
Although the board acknowledged she didn't do anything illegal, it noted Ardente's extra-curricular activities bothered a lot of parents. The woman has asked her union to fight the board's decision and told her lawyer to ponder her legal avenues."
And again, what does common sense tell us, is porn mainstream in any western country? No.
The board hopefully ran their decision by a lawyer first. We shall see how appeal and lawsuit fare.
I hope her children receive productive counseling.