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Metal heating experiment

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Has anyone tried heating up aluminum to the temperatures of the WTC Fires? If so, what did it look like?
 
My dad used to use a big old aluminium cooking pot as a miniature brazier for burning bits of garden rubbish. One day he put too many twigs etc in at once, got a really good fire going, and it ended up as an impressively shiny puddle.
 
mike3 said:
Hi.

Has anyone tried heating up aluminum to the temperatures of the WTC Fires? If so, what did it look like?
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That's a little unspecific. Remember: The fires covered a range of temperatures. Although, on the periphery, that range is probably not as wide. As well as definitely lower.

Also: What aluminum are you referring to? The facade of the towers? Or the aircraft aluminum from the jets? Not that it makes a difference in the final product, but rather, that tells us if you're thinking about aluminum cladding on the exterior, or aluminum plane fuselages that ended up inside the buildings, shredded and fragmented.
 
I used to get a some jobs boarding up apartment buildings after a fire, or repairing the windows after the firemen had knocked them out. It was very common for aluminum storm windows to melt into a blob of aluminum which would pool up on the limestone window sill.

Once the body of an old man killed in the fire was found a few days after I had been in it, I didn't see it because it was under a piano which had a lot of rubble piled up around it. :eek:
 
saw a documentary last night on the history channel but couldn't find a link to the video. Apparently Christians incinerated people inside their pagen temple with a firebomb so hot it melted the bronze doors to that temple. Through experimentation using a concoction of fuels only available in that era, the history channel reproduced that fire.
http://www.history.co.uk/shows/ancient-discoveries/season-3/episode-guide.html

Riots and Revolution

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Lastly we investigate the legend that the Christians wiped out paganism in an attack on theie temples with fire so hot it could melt bronze. We learn the secret ingredients of how they did it.
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we once found a burned-out car in the woods. the aluminum engine had melted and dripped on to the ground due to the heat of the fire.

what does that tell u?
 
WildCat said:
I used to get a some jobs boarding up apartment buildings after a fire, or repairing the windows after the firemen had knocked them out. It was very common for aluminum storm windows to melt into a blob of aluminum which would pool up on the limestone window sill.
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I spent one summer fighting forest fires. One fire ran through a couple of summer cabins. Saw the same thing with their windows. The cabin itself was gone, burned to the ground , but you could tell where the windows had been along the walls because of the blobs of aluminum.

I addition I found the remains of a .22 cal rifle. It looked pretty good except for the wooden stock that had burned away. My crew chief then told me to try and bend the barrel. I managed to bend it into a "U" with no problem at all. The heat had so totally changed the structure of the metal that it bent and spalled easily.

Cast iron fry pan with part of the cooking surface missing, stainless steel flatware bent twisted and partially fused together, steel nails with the structural strength of a French Fry. Need I go on? (All in the cold 'day after' remains of the fire)
 
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ElMondoHummus said:
That's a little unspecific. Remember: The fires covered a range of temperatures. Although, on the periphery, that range is probably not as wide. As well as definitely lower.

Also: What aluminum are you referring to? The facade of the towers? Or the aircraft aluminum from the jets? Not that it makes a difference in the final product, but rather, that tells us if you're thinking about aluminum cladding on the exterior, or aluminum plane fuselages that ended up inside the buildings, shredded and fragmented.
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Whatever the temp was in that place where that stuff that dribbled out of the one tower came from in that one tired old video clip.

(Hmm, this was post #666! :) )
 
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jaydeehess said:
I spent one summer fighting forest fires. One fire ran through a couple of summer cabins. Saw the same thing with their windows. The cabin itself was gone, burned to the ground , but you could tell where the windows had been along the walls because of the blobs of aluminum.

I addition I found the remains of a .22 cal rifle. It looked pretty good except for the wooden stock that had burned away. My crew chief then told me to try and bend the barrel. I managed to bend it into a "U" with no problem at all. The heat had so totally changed the structure of the metal that it bent and spalled easily.

Cast iron fry pan with part of the cooking surface missing, stainless steel flatware bent twisted and partially fused together, steel nails with the structural strength of a French Fry. Need I go on? (All in the cold 'day after' remains of the fire)
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I live in Britain's steel city Sheffield. My father and uncle both work at a steel foundry, when I tell them the bs truthers come out with about wtc's steel, they crack up laughing.
My Dad heated up the middle of a thick steel rod to a temperature a lot less than inside the wtc, I was able to bend it with my own hands.
 
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mike3 said:
Whatever the temp was in that place where that stuff that dribbled out of the one tower came from in that one tired old video clip.

(Hmm, this was post #666! :) )
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Oh. That one. While it's never been definitively proven what the molten flow is, there's a very compelling argument made by an Italian blogger that it could be lead or some other metal from enterprise class (i.e. large) uninterruptible power supplies:
http://undicisettembre.blogspot.com/2007/06/ups-on-81st-floor-of-wtc2.html

I think the reality is that it would be a mix of compounds and element - not just metals too - because there would be a mix of items in almost any given spot in the interior of the towers. But again, the proposal at the link given is a quite compelling one.
 
Dash80 said:
I live in Britain's steel city Sheffield. My father and uncle both work at a steel foundry, when I tell them the bs truthers come out with about wtc's steel, they crack up laughing.
My Dad heated up the middle of a thick steel rod to a temperature a lot less than inside the wtc, I was able to bend it with my own hands.
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This is one of my favorite videos to prove troofers wrong WRT to fire and steel strength as well as their "heat conductor" claim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drsgs6-3Qlg

:D
 
Like this?:

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It's the remains of a Sikorsky S-61N helicopter.
 
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Thunder said:
we once found a burned-out car in the woods. the aluminum engine had melted and dripped on to the ground due to the heat of the fire.

what does that tell u?
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It tells me you once found a burnt car in the woods.

Am I missing something?
 
mike3 said:
Hi.

Has anyone tried heating up aluminum to the temperatures of the WTC Fires? If so, what did it look like?
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You have to be more specific. If I put an aluminium alloy can in a fire it will oxidise heavily and because of it's thickness will not hold its shape. So you'll end up with ash.

Now if you put a Kg lump of the same alloy in a crucible with a lid, put that in a furnace and heat it, it will melt over a temperature range until it's liquid.

What's your point?
 
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