9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[TSR]

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Because of course, all travel agencies arrange for their clients (no, wait, the client was the State) to be sent to places where death was a certainty

Got any of that, you know, evidence thingy to suggest that your suggestion that the documentation was incriminating to the prosecution, other than your love of Nazi policy in this matter and psychotic need that it be so?

Or any evidence to suggest that anyone *credible* ever suggested that Eichmann was the "mastermind behind the Holocaust?"

And you know what's really interesting? Eichmann, not once before his capture nor ever after (nor did any of his heirs ever at any time) try to claim that the Holocaust never happened. Just that "it wasn't my fault, I was Just Following Orders".


Up to 28 questions, and still no answers from niner.
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[9/11-investigator]

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Because of course, all travel agencies arrange for their clients (no, wait, the client was the State) to be sent to places where death was a certainty

Got any of that, you know, evidence thingy to suggest that your suggestion that the documentation was incriminating to the prosecution, other than your love of Nazi policy in this matter and psychotic need that it be so?

Or any evidence to suggest that anyone *credible* ever suggested that Eichmann was the "mastermind behind the Holocaust?"

And you know what's really interesting? Eichmann, not once before his capture nor ever after (nor did any of his heirs ever at any time) try to claim that the Holocaust never happened. Just that "it wasn't my fault, I was Just Following Orders".

He did not claim either that the holocaust did happen. He organized the trains and had never seen a 'gas chamber' (because there were not any). I am starting to suspect that most Jews were indeed transported into Russian territory via transit camps like Treblinka and Sobibor and were later trapped in the re-emerging USSR, this prison of nations. After 1938 the leading role of the Jews in the USSR was finished and even slowly anti-semitism grew. No priviliged position anymore, just slaves like anybody else.

Up to 28 questions, and still no answers from niner.
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I answered your list of questions but you choose to ignore it.

Whatever.

 

[TSR]

He did not claim either that the holocaust did happen.

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"I will leap into my grave laughing because the feeling that I have five million human beings on my conscience is for me a source of extraordinary satisfaction."

"The Führer has ordered physical extermination."

Because I'd never thought of a ... of such a thing, of that sort of violent solution."

"Heydrich said: 'Go and see Globocnik, the Führer has already given him instructions. Take a look and see how he's getting on with his program. I believe he's using Russian anti-tank trenches for exterminating the Jews.'"

"It seems they were going to hook up a Russian submarine engine and pipe the exhaust into the houses and the Jews inside would be poisoned.."


"I was sent to Treblinka, Minsk, Lemberg and Auschwitz. When I see the images before my eyes, it all comes back to me ... Corpses, corpses, corpses. Shot, gassed, decaying corpses."

Who was that was just whining about someone pontificating on matters they didn't have the first clue regarding?
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He organized the trains and had never seen a 'gas chamber' (because there were not any). I am starting to suspect that most Jews were indeed transported into Russian territory via transit camps like Treblinka and Sobibor and were later trapped in the re-emerging USSR, this prison of nations. After 1938 the leading role of the Jews in the USSR was finished and even slowly anti-semitism grew. No priviliged position anymore, just slaves like anybody else.

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And yet, the only evidence you have of this is your psychotic need that it be so

No transportation records from either of those camps No stories of a giant influx of penniless refugees who did not speak the language Not a single one of these people ever related their stories, or tried to contact their families. None ever emigrated anywhere else.

Your suspicions are worthless.
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I answered your list of questions but you choose to ignore it.
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Demonstrably false.

You responded to a *few* of them, ran from the rest, and then ran from my rebuttal of your responses, showing not a single actually *answer*.


Does it really not bother you that you have to lie so transparently, when the facts are there for all to see?
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Whatever.

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Keep running, niner...
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[Saggy]

The latest tale from holo-never-land:

The slimy pro-American German Der Spiegel comes with the holo-latest:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,754943,00.html



The Israeli State Archive released top secret documents about war criminal Eichmann, alsmost 50 years after the trial. Eichmann did not regret anything.


One wonders what was the reason why it was so 'top-secret'? We can be rest assured that if they had something incriminating we would have known it in 1960.

Or could it be that it was kept sealed because it was incriminating against the persecutors?



Eichmann was responsible for the deportations of millions to the German death factories.

That about the deportations is correct. Eichmann was the head of an XXL travel agency.



Among the released documents are the protocols of conversations Eichmann had with his German lawyer Robert Servatius (in Hebrew), as well as excerpts from Eichmann's memoirs.

911I: obviously this eavesdropping is illegal in civilized countries.

So what horror stories did Eichmann confess to his trustee Servatius?



Servatius had asked Eichmann whether he had ever seen 'gaschambers'. Eichmann confirmed he had visited a small gaschamber, but not big ones that had served homicidal purposes.

911I: Eichmann obviously is talking about these fumugation gas chambers, that served to save Jews. So the man who allegedly sent millions to 'the gaschambers' never saw one and says so when he thinks that nobody is listening. That's odd. No wonder this 'top secret' data was kept so long under the carpet.



Eichmann told Servatius that he did not regret anything, that he was following orders and that his conscious is clear.

911I: does not look like he was the mastermind behind the holo tale. This is another example of hineininterpretieren.

Wow, you're doing great work exposing the holohoax lies. Eichman, the Jews' mastermind of the holohoax, tells his lawyer he'd never seen a homicidal gas chamber.

 

[Wroclaw]

Wow, you're doing great work exposing the holohoax lies. Eichman, the Jews' mastermind of the holohoax, tells his lawyer he'd never seen a homicidal gas chamber.

And what about the gas vans he witnessed being used?

Is it really all that surprising, by the way, given Eichmann's actual role, that he didn't see a gas chamber? I.e., do you think Kaltenbrunner or Heydrich would have ever seen one?

 

[TSR]

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Hey, Saggs: still waiting for you to produce six NYT articles from the war years, sourced to the WJC and specifically mentioning gas chambers.

Or are you going to run away *again* like the "brave" Aryan warrior you are?
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[Wroclaw]

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Hey, Saggs: still waiting for you to produce six NYT articles from the war years, sourced to the WJC and specifically mentioning gas chambers.

Sorry: What?

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

Servatius fragte Eichmann während einer Unterredung, ob er während der Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus Gaskammern gesehen habe. Eichmann antwortete, er habe "einmal eine kleine Gaskammer besucht, aber keine großen Räume, die zur Vernichtung dienten".

Servatius had asked Eichmann whether he had ever seen 'gaschambers'. Eichmann confirmed he had visited a small gaschamber, but not big ones that had served homicidal purposes.

911I: Eichmann obviously is talking about these fumugation gas chambers, that served to save Jews. So the man who allegedly sent millions to 'the gaschambers' never saw one and says so when he thinks that nobody is listening. That's odd. No wonder this 'top secret' data was kept so long under the carpet.

Obviously? Hmm, that's weird, he is only denying, that he saw a BIG gas chamber for extermination. He is NOT denying, that he saw a little gas chamber for extermination.

And by the way, to conclude, that because someone hasn't seen a gas chamber, that there were no gas chambers at all, is really *********** stupid.

And he is NOT denying, that there was holocaust, in fact I have yet to see a nazi, who was at these camps and is denying the mass murder.

Wow, you're doing great work exposing the holohoax lies. Eichman, the Jews' mastermind of the holohoax, tells his lawyer he'd never seen a homicidal gas chamber.

And another FAIL.

 

[TSR]

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The Germans knew it, the US population knew it too, thanks to endless articles in the NYT sourced to the World Jewish Congress, < ... > the Nazis knew it: that Jews were being exterminated en masse in gas chambers at Auschwitz.

The quoting got screwed up in *this* thread, but it's a claim zie has made before, been called on, and run from every time.
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[Saggy]

Is it really all that surprising, by the way, given Eichmann's actual role, that he didn't see a gas chamber? I.e., do you think Kaltenbrunner or Heydrich would have ever seen one?

Given his actual role as transportation director, along with the fact that the homicidal gas chambers are degenerate phantasmagoria, it's not surprising. However, if you read Hoess's 'confession', you'll see that Eichmann was the person responsible for determining how to exterminate the Jews, and made a special trip to survey the various possibilities. Completely absurd, of course, but no more so than the rest of the holohoax.

Note: kudos to 9/11 I for referencing this new bit of info. What got him bounced this time?

 

[Wroclaw]

Given his actual role as transportation director

Right. He was the transportation director, among other roles. But none of these roles, short of the one you detail below (more), required him to ever leave Berlin.

along with the fact that the homicidal gas chambers are degenerate phantasmagoria, it's not surprising

Please make a clear statement of what, to you, would constitute sufficient proof that gas chambers did exist.

However, if you read Hoess's 'confession'

Please explain how or why a person who is called as a defense witness would be tortured and by whom.

you'll see that Eichmann was the person responsible for determining how to exterminate the Jews, and made a special trip to survey the various possibilities.

Yes, that's true. And so he traveled to a couple of camps and observed extermination methods. But after '42 he was back in Berlin pretty much 100% of the time.

Completely absurd, of course, but no more so than the rest of the holohoax.

Why is it absurd? Do you dispute that Eichmann was in charge of the Jewish "evacuation"? If not, then you must accept the idea of Eichmann was responsible for, at the very least, making sure Jews got deported. And, I think, we agree that they were sent almost entirely to camps on Polish soil.

So why do we lose track of them there?

Note: kudos to 9/11 I for referencing this new bit of info.

Yes, congratulations to him for being able to read a newspaper.

What got him bounced this time?

General being a dick, I believe...

 

[TSR]

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So, it's another "run away".


Show of hands please -- is anyone surprized?
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[Saggy]

Right. He was the transportation director, among other roles. But none of these roles, short of the one you detail below (more), required him to ever leave Berlin.



Please make a clear statement of what, to you, would constitute sufficient proof that gas chambers did exist.



Please explain how or why a person who is called as a defense witness would be tortured and by whom.



Yes, that's true. And so he traveled to a couple of camps and observed extermination methods. But after '42 he was back in Berlin pretty much 100% of the time.



Why is it absurd? Do you dispute that Eichmann was in charge of the Jewish "evacuation"? If not, then you must accept the idea of Eichmann was responsible for, at the very least, making sure Jews got deported. And, I think, we agree that they were sent almost entirely to camps on Polish soil.

So why do we lose track of them there?



Yes, congratulations to him for being able to read a newspaper.



General being a dick, I believe...

Please make a clear statement of what, to you, would constitute sufficient proof that gas chambers did exist.

Glad you asked. I'd like to see one. Same proof I'd like to see of little green men from Mars, btw.

But, here's the point - the holohoax liars have shown two absurd hoax gas chambers, one at Auschwitz, one at Majdanek, to the public for 60 years. That is sufficient proof for any reasonable person that the holohoax 'authorities' are degenerate liars.



So why do we lose track of them there?

The hoax authorities control access to millions of Nazi records. They have been inaccessible for 60 years. They're the ones to ask.


Yes, congratulations to him for being able to read a newspaper.

LOL. It wasn't headlined in my local rag, how about yours ? And, after all, the info had only been suppressed for 50 years. Incredible find, I don't know how he does it. A tip of the hat to 9/11 I.

 

[TSR]

Please make a clear statement of what, to you, would constitute sufficient proof that gas chambers did exist.

Glad you asked. I'd like to see one. Same proof I'd like to see of little green men from Mars, btw.

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Which is ... ?
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But, here's the point - the holohoax liars have shown two absurd hoax gas chambers, one at Auschwitz, one at Majdanek, to the public for 60 years. That is sufficient proof for any reasonable person that the holohoax 'authorities' are degenerate liars.

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Got those pics of the plumbing at Dachau, yet?

The ones you claimed to already have, degenerate liar?

And since the gas chamber at Auschwitz is (and always has been) identified as a reconstruction, and since you have no evidence suggesting that the Majdenek gas chamber(s) were or are hoaxes, why do you continue to make these claims, degenerate liar?
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So why do we lose track of them there?

The hoax authorities control access to millions of Nazi records. They have been inaccessible for 60 years. They're the ones to ask.

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They don't post here. You do. Surely you have seen these documents, or you wouldn't be insisting that these victims went elsewhere.
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LOL. It wasn't headlined in my local rag, how about yours ? And, after all, the info had only been suppressed for 50 years.

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Because, of course, the Holocaust is so pervasive, Saggs is "bombarded" with it every day. Or maybe not.

BTW, can you get access to all of the documentation generated during the trial of Charles Manson?



No?




Can you tell us what, exactly you think was important enough to be suppressed in these documents?



No?





Can you cite 6 articles published by the NYT during the war years, credited to the WJC and specifically mentioning gas chambers?






No?




Can you explain why you've told all of these lies in this thread, then, degenerate liar?
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[Craig4]

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Which is ... ?
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Got those pics of the plumbing at Dachau, yet?

The ones you claimed to already have, degenerate liar?

And since the gas chamber at Auschwitz is (and always has been) identified as a reconstruction, and since you have no evidence suggesting that the Majdenek gas chamber(s) were or are hoaxes, why do you continue to make these claims, degenerate liar?
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They don't post here. You do. Surely you have seen these documents, or you wouldn't be insisting that these victims went elsewhere.
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Because, of course, the Holocaust is so pervasive, Saggs is "bombarded" with it every day. Or maybe not.

BTW, can you get access to all of the documentation generated during the trial of Charles Manson?



No?




Can you tell us what, exactly you think was important enough to be suppressed in these documents?



No?





Can you cite 6 articles published by the NYT during the war years, credited to the WJC and specifically mentioning gas chambers?






No?




Can you explain why you've told all of these lies in this thread, then, degenerate liar?
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This has nothing to do with evidence. Saggy needs the Holocaust to have not happened so in his world it didn't. There is no amount of evidence that will make him see the truth. Of course it is amusing to point out his errors to him. Chew toys have their place.

 

[Wroclaw]

Please make a clear statement of what, to you, would constitute sufficient proof that gas chambers did exist.

Glad you asked. I'd like to see one.

Great. You'd like to see a gas chamber. Well, as you note below (and more on that there), the only place you might be able to see an intact gas chamber is at Majdanek, and the jury is essentially still out on whether the rooms used as gas chambers there are intact or not. It would take a short book — which perhaps I'll write — to give you a history of Majdanek relative to its conversion to an extermination center, but you can consult Shermer & Grobman's Denying History to get a reasonable version by way of Michael Tregenza.

So the short(er) answer is going to be that the places that were used as gas chambers were destroyed, with the exception of some much less often used gas chambers at Mauthausen and Stutthof. You can see those, if you'd like.

Have you seen them?

Same proof I'd like to see of little green men from Mars, btw.

So what you're saying is that you will believe nothing unless you're able to see it? Can you see atoms? I assume that you can't, but may I assume, nevertheless, that you still believe in them?

How about a more relevant comparison: Do you believe in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon or the Colossus of Rhodes? Please answer yes or no to those particular questions and we'll go from there.

But, here's the point - the holohoax liars have shown two absurd hoax gas chambers, one at Auschwitz, one at Majdanek, to the public for 60 years.

The gas chamber at Auschwitz I was reconstructed after having been destroyed by the Nazis in the final months of World War II. The likely gas chamber(s) at Majdanek (see above for why we're far less sure about these) were probably destroyed, but you can see the ruins. Perhaps most importantly, however, you can see the remains of Kremas II-V at Birkenau.

Regarding Krema II we have the most information. For example, this gas chambers has tested positive for cyanide exposure. Furthermore, documents indicate that one of the rooms designated as a morgue in that building was in fact used as a gas chamber. These points (i.e., documents and positive tests for cyanide) converge with no fewer than sixty-nine different eyewitnesses testifying over a period of at least twenty-five years on no fewer than three continents.

What more proof could you want? Unless, in fact, you don't believe in the Colossus of Rhodes, in which case, we'll go from there.

That is sufficient proof for any reasonable person that the holohoax 'authorities' are degenerate liars.

Well, we'll get there. I ask you to please continue this dialogue, because I think it's important.

So why do we lose track of them there?

The hoax authorities control access to millions of Nazi records. They have been inaccessible for 60 years. They're the ones to ask.

So are you suggesting, therefore, that, in fact, these Jews — over two million of them, by the way, who, if what you suggest (i.e., that the 'authorities' are "lying") is true, otherwise vanished without a trace — did migrate elsewhere from six camps in Poland, and that Nazi records, if liberated, would demonstrate this?

Yes, congratulations to him for being able to read a newspaper.

LOL. It wasn't headlined in my local rag, how about yours ? And, after all, the info had only been suppressed for 50 years. Incredible find, I don't know how he does it. A tip of the hat to 9/11 I.

Dude's an idiot, not to put too fine a point on it.

But I digress: No, it was not headlined in my newspaper. However, if (as I imagine Tiny does) you set up a Google alert for the word "Holocaust," then that story would have appeared in your e-mail box as plain as day.

For my own part, I read Yedioth Achronoth every day, so that's where I saw it. Frankly, I'm not sure I buy it, because the evidence heretofore has suggested that Eichmann took no personal satisfaction in his "work" (though, to be sure, had no problem with carrying it out).

But I'd prefer to discuss that after you've addressed some points above. To wit:

Did the Colossus of Rhodes exist?

Do you believe there are suppressed Nazi records of Jews traveling from the camps in Poland to other points, presumably east?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Saggy]

So what you're saying is that you will believe nothing unless you're able to see it?

Only when it's prima facie absurd, like the gas chambers, and like little green men from Mars.

 

[Wroclaw]

Only when it's prima facie absurd, like the gas chambers, and like little green men from Mars.

So you want to go through the six of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World that no longer exist but are said, according to historical sources, to have?

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

... It wasn't headlined in my local rag, how about yours? And, after all, the info had only been suppressed for 50 years. Incredible find, I don't know how he does it. A tip of the hat to 9/11

Talking about "suppression"... When 9/11 asked himself, rhetorically: "So what horror stories did Eichmann confess to his trustee Servatius?", 9/11 snipped the last part of the paragraph he quoted as his, rhetorical, reply.
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Servatius fragte Eichmann während einer Unterredung, ob er während der Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus Gaskammern gesehen habe. Eichmann antwortete, er habe "einmal eine kleine Gaskammer besucht, aber keine großen Räume, die zur Vernichtung dienten". Er habe "einen Haufen von Leichen gesehen, die offenbar vergiftet wurden".From Der Spiegel.

Hilite on the part 9/11 chose not to repeat. How would you translate the sentence in hilite tags, Saggy? Why do you think 9/11 omitted that last bit before launching into his interpretation?
Do you think 9/11 wasn't sure whether it said "Kleidung" instead of "Leichen", perhaps?

From the files now easily accessible online at Israel's State Archive website itself (Still not all, btw) we also get linkable confirmations for some already familiar excerpts. Please expand when you think a bigger portion should be quoted from Eichmann's recollections:

"Im Frühjahr 1942 erhielt ich von meinem unmittelbaren Vorgesetzten, dem
Generalleutnant der Polizei, Müller den Befehl nach Auschwitz zu fahren und ihm über das Vorgehen des Kommandanten des Konzentationslagers Auschwitz, gegen die Juden, zu berichten. – Höß, der Kommandant sagte mir, daß er mit Blausäure, töte. Runde Pappfilze waren mit diesem Giftstoff getränkt und wurden in die Räume geworfen, worin die Juden versammelt wurden. Dieses Gift wirkte sofort tötlich.
Die Leichen verbrannte er auf einem Eisenrost, im Freien. Er führte mich zu einer flachen Grube, worin eine große Anzahl von Leichen gerade verbrannt wurden. Es war ein grauenhaftes Bild, daß(sic) sich mir darbot. Nur durch dem(sic) Rausch und die gewaltigen Flammen gemildert. Er benützte zur Verbrennung irgend ein Öl."

That doesn't appear to have much to do with fumigation. Different context, perhaps? Which reminds me, Did you see the comments about Natzweiler?

Hat tip to Götz Aly, who wrote about some of these records, published in 2000.
http://wirtges.univie.ac.at/oezg/oezg00-1.pdf

Did you notice that Wiki editors noticed? What was it Eichmann wanted the whole world to hear?

Hat tip to 9/11. From his other "admirers". Some -selective- highlights from recent reviews:
"Does it really not bother you that you have to lie so transparently, when the facts are there for all to see?"

"This has nothing to do with evidence. Saggy needs the Holocaust to have not happened so in his world it didn't. There is no amount of evidence that will make him see the truth. Of course it is amusing to point out his errors to him. Chew toys have their place."

Do you really never look in Der Spiegel?

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

Glad you asked. I'd like to see one. Same proof I'd like to see of little green men from Mars, btw.

So everything you haven't seen, you don't believe in? Have you seen what was going on in these camps? Have you seen, that the jews just had a fun time with their friends of the SS without any gas chambers in existence? No? Hmm, odd how you need absolutly nothing to be convinced of that there was no holocaust, but on the other hand expect to find an existing gas chamber today. Kind of hard, since you nazi friends destroyed most of them before the liberation of the camps. But that is clearly the fault of historians.

But hey, there actually is a gas chamber you still can visit:
Dachau

It was just for experimenting with gasses on prisoners, not for mass extermination, and no one knows for sure, if it worked, but it was a gas chamber.

But, here's the point - the holohoax liars have shown two absurd hoax gas chambers, one at Auschwitz, one at Majdanek, to the public for 60 years. That is sufficient proof for any reasonable person that the holohoax 'authorities' are degenerate liars.

You don't know anthing about the holocaust, do you?

First of, as I mentioned, there is Dachau, than there is a gas chamber in Mauthausen, but it was modified before the liberation, same goes for the gas chamber at Natzweiler-Struthof, and then there is Stutthof. There are others too, but since you will just ignore this all, I don't want to waste even more time with you.

And there are 3 (!) gas chambers at Majdanek left today. You might wanna explain why anyone would store Carbon Monoxide in big bottles. Or why a supposed delousing chamber would need a column to throw Zyklon B pellets in it.

The hoax authorities control access to millions of Nazi records. They have been inaccessible for 60 years. They're the ones to ask.

Nonsense! Pressac started his research as a holocaust denier and no one kept him from reading the documents. You just never even tried to do real research, you are just going on and on with you idiotic mockery of every claim for the holocaust there is without presenting any kind of real evidence.