Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[katy_did]

The book says that the Postal Police show up before the 112 call is made, they radio back to say they have arrived, the washing machine was running, the suspects were caught carrying a mop and a bucket of bleach and were not expecting a police. Rather impressive that the author managed to make this many false statements are in just one paragraph of his book.

I thought this bit was at least as impressive:

Since Amanda's last visit to the cottage things had changed a bit. Molly, the other roommate of Laura Mezzetti's, had moved out; and in her place moved Filomena Romanelli. Romanelli was another English girl who, like Laura, was a law student working as an apprentice for a law firm in Perugia. Filomena and Laura had been good friends and she had agreed to move into the little cottage in the picturesque hilltop town.

 

[snook1]

I don't think that the leakings of findings on the DNA evidence are a good thing. Not at all. I think that it should be kept away from the media, beacuse the tension could be unbearable and who knows, maybe someone will try to push one way or the other the outcome... All of this should be guided to the maximum. I'm kinda worried.

 

[RoseMontague]

The book says that the Postal Police show up before the 112 call is made, they radio back to say they have arrived, the washing machine was running, the suspects were caught carrying a mop and a bucket of bleach and were not expecting a police. Rather impressive that the author managed to make this many false statements are in just one paragraph of his book.

I thought this bit was at least as impressive:

Since Amanda's last visit to the cottage things had changed a bit. Molly, the other roommate of Laura Mezzetti's, had moved out; and in her place moved Filomena Romanelli. Romanelli was another English girl who, like Laura, was a law student working as an apprentice for a law firm in Perugia. Filomena and Laura had been good friends and she had agreed to move into the little cottage in the picturesque hilltop town.

Hmmmm,
I guess there exists the remote possibility that I was wrong in giving this book a benefit of the doubt.

 

[Antony]

I get the impression that some people on this forum think it is dedicated to Raffaele and Amanda that the mere mention of anything relating to Meredith Kercher or her family detracts or minimises their belief that Raffaele and Amanda innocent.

Just keep digging - it might keep some interest here while we wait for the next episode of oh-so-slow Italian justice. Have you really missed all the times the guilter faction have tried to play the sympathy card, as though "on behalf" of the Kercher family?

What is there to discuss relating to Meredith's family? There is no disagreement over the nature of their tragedy. Dragging them into the question of guilt or innocence of any of the accused ought to be regarded as an invasion of their privacy. The real shame is the way they have been exploited by the ambulance-chaser Maresca, and by commentators seeking to suppress discussion of the profoundly sinister way this case has been handled by the Perugia authorities.

 

[Antony]

But to whom I acknowledge with alacrity has one heck of a lot of 'inside' information, factual knowledge, and *much* greater ability and qualifications to opine about the process and probable final outcome than yourself. (albeit in the below quote for suggested somewhat selfish motives by Judge Hellman that I still beg to respectfully disagree with).
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"I have always figured Hellmann wants to get rid of Curatolo and the knife so he can concoct a guilt scenario that is less obviously ridiculous than the one Massei came up with. I hope I'm wrong." Charlie Wilkes

I entirely agree that Charlie Wilkes has far greater knowledge and resources in relation to this case than I have. I do not have any hesitation in deferring to him on points of fact.

However, when it comes to subjective feelings about the way the appeal is going, I think I can claim a bit more freedom to make my own judgement - especially as the above was typed (I believe) before the recent appeal court hearings where the prosecution case seemed to show every sign of self-destruction.

Of course, Hellmann could still shock us all by bringing in another perverse decision. If he does, it won't change my view on Amanda and Raffaele's innocence - unless it comes with some startling new evidence of guilt which has been entirely missing so far.

 

[Justinian2]

Some people on this forum think that the distress of the parents of Raffaele and Amanda is greater than that of the Kerchers.

I did 4 hours of jail time and I thought it was an eternity. The only thing I had to do for four long hours was to plan my escape and revenge. My first attempt at a jail break failed.

 

[GrouchoMarxist]

I did 4 hours of jail time and I thought it was an eternity. The only thing I had to do for four long hours was to plan my escape and revenge.

Did you tunnel your way out, or go over the wall?

 

[Justinian2]

Did you tunnel your way out, or go over the wall?

We should break Amanda out with a helicopter.

 

[Dan O.]

Did you tunnel your way out, or go over the wall?

His plan was to bend the bars and roll the toilet paper out the window so he could slide down the toilet paper and make his escape. But Officer Obie had removed the toilet paper from his cell.

 

[GrouchoMarxist]

His plan was to bend the bars and roll the toilet paper out the window so he could slide down the toilet paper and make his escape. But Officer Obie had removed the toilet paper from his cell.

I've been in a similar situation.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Did you tunnel your way out, or go over the wall?

Actually neither, it was actually his crib his mommy laid him down in to have a nap.

 

[Katody Matrass]

Interesting event including Paul Ciolino, Candace Dempsey, Mark Waterbury, Steve Moore, and Michael Heavey.

A forum of forensic and scientific experts, and authors gathered at the James C. Pigott Pavilion on the Seattle University campus Monday afternoon, April 4 and spoke to an audience of about 120 about the innocence, in their view, of West Seattle-raised Amanda Knox, convicted of killing her roommate Meredith Kercher in Italy.

Here's the video (1h 51m)

It's a bit long, so I watched only Steve Moore's speach so far. He's a good speaker and had some informative slides. I think it's a good introduction to the forensic aspects of the case.

 

[snook1]

Thanks for the link. The whole thing was a good idea.

It's a pity though that there weren't many attendants.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Interesting event including Paul Ciolino, Candace Dempsey, Mark Waterbury, Steve Moore, and Michael Heavey.

A forum of forensic and scientific experts, and authors gathered at the James C. Pigott Pavilion on the Seattle University campus Monday afternoon, April 4 and spoke to an audience of about 120 about the innocence, in their view, of West Seattle-raised Amanda Knox, convicted of killing her roommate Meredith Kercher in Italy.

Here's the video (1h 51m)

It's a bit long, so I watched only Steve Moore's speach so far. He's a good speaker and had some informative slides. I think it's a good introduction to the forensic aspects of the case.

Thank you for providing the link.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

I don't think that the leakings of findings on the DNA evidence are a good thing. Not at all. I think that it should be kept away from the media, beacuse the tension could be unbearable and who knows, maybe someone will try to push one way or the other the outcome... All of this should be guided to the maximum. I'm kinda worried.

May I ask why you are concerned with the leak to the media?

 

[Fine]

Hmmmm,
I guess there exists the remote possibility that I was wrong in giving this book a benefit of the doubt.

Will Savive: "Mignini headed over to the questura (police headquarters) to witness and question Knox further. Once he arrived—at 3:30a.m.— Knox repeats her story for Mignini, but this time she goes into great detail… The session is halted at 5:45a.m., at which time Knox signs a five-page statement detailing the events of the interrogation."

I know of only one page. HERE Where can we see the other four?

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[RoseMontague]

Will Savive: "Mignini headed over to the questura (police headquarters) to witness and question Knox further. Once he arrived—at 3:30a.m.— Knox repeats her story for Mignini, but this time she goes into great detail… The session is halted at 5:45a.m., at which time Knox signs a five-page statement detailing the events of the interrogation."

I know of only one page. HERE Where can we see the other four?

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Will is probably confusing the 5:45 statement with her handwritten note that was the next day. There is very little detail at all in the 1:45 or 5:45 statements. A lot of errors in this book are emerging.

 

[snook1]

May I ask why you are concerned with the leak to the media?

Beacuse Amanda's lawyers are also concerned. Apparently they didn't like the fact that there wear leaks about the on going re examination of the crucial DNA evidence.

 

[piktor]

Will Savive: "Mignini headed over to the questura (police headquarters) to witness and question Knox further. Once he arrived—at 3:30a.m.— Knox repeats her story for Mignini, but this time she goes into great detail… The session is halted at 5:45a.m., at which time Knox signs a five-page statement detailing the events of the interrogation."

I know of only one page. HERE Where can we see the other four?

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There is a number 6) at the top right corner of that page.

It could be that it is page six of the Knox declaration that was thrown out by the Supreme Court.

 

[Fine]

Will is probably confusing the 5:45 statement with her handwritten note that was the next day. There is very little detail at all in the 1:45 or 5:45 statements. A lot of errors in this book are emerging.

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Will Savive:

"Police then turned their investigation to Raffaele Sollecito’s flat on Corso Garibaldi. Police entered the premises looking for a pair of shoes that matched any of the bloody prints left at the crime scene, and a possible murder weapon.
....During the search, police also found a pair of Sollecito’s sneakers (Nike size 42½) that they announced was a perfect match with the footprint left at the crime scene."

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Them shoes weren't found in Raffaele's flat. They were found at the police station, on the night of November 5th, on Raffaele's feet.

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