Pentagon Security Videos Update

[BCR]

The issue of the security cameras around the Pentagon has come up again in another thread with a poster repeating and linking P4T nonsense.

How about photos from these cameras? Even some cameras were removed. Suspicious.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t14873.html

As normal, when challenged on his information he simply posted a photograph. But in the real world, you just can't post a photograph, jump up-and-down screaming 'inside job' with any real expectation of getting any results. However, several regular JREF folks have also made inquiry of late so I figured I should do an update with the latest-and-greatest.

The '85 security cameras' video nonsense "came about as the result of a FOIA request for videos showing the Pentagon impact." - 911 Myths

I came to the game late, but in 2007 I opened contacts with Scott Bingham (the originator of the FOIA judicial review) and Jill Farrell of Judicial Watch (joined Bingham's action). By the time I came to the game, Scott was 'giving up' in frustration so I filed my own action here in the West Tennessee Federal Court after several years of FOIA work and appeals. By 2009, our combined efforts broke the 'log-jam' and now to the best of my knowledge, all of those FBI videos have been released. Only a portion of them were related to the Pentagon and of them I only obtained copies of those that interested me (by that time my money had run out and did not want to pay more duplication fees). The ones I did obtain have been circulating for awhile now and I have a list of them posted here.

The State of Virginia was kind enough to provide me with invoices for when the VDOT exterior cameras were installed. Work began on them in late-2002 and on 9/11 there was no camera system to record anything. Fort Myers had several exterior cameras, but the footage was not retained. According to security officials, the FBI did review their footage shortly after the event, but did not find any footage useful (mostly gate cameras that pointed down at the roadway).

There are only two additional items outstanding, the Sheraton Hotel security cameras and the DPS security cameras (those exterior cameras in the photo above, both Pentagon and Navy Annex). The Sheraton 'video' is allegedly in the possession of the FBI, but to date, no direct evidence has been located to support that. The Navy Annex system was monitored at the time by DPS along with the rest of the Pentagon system. After numerous FOIA efforts with the Navy and DoD, the DoD implied strongly that the FBI had them. During my court action and resultant telephone conversations with the FBI attorney, I was led to believe that the FBI did not have them.

Eric Larson has undertaken a massive effort to get 9/11-related documents from NARA online. Since I get my understanding of 9/11 issues from primary documents and sources, not truther websites, I am a constant consumer of those documents. A few weeks ago, Eric posted the 'crown jewel' of the issue.

On 9/12/2001, the FBI indeed seized the DPS videos just as the DoD implied. Last week I consulted with Judicial Watch and forwarded the document to them. At this point they are reviewing their court action to determine if there are grounds for a perjury complaint based on previous FBI testimony. At the very least, Bingham, JW and I all have been given the 'Clinton version of the truth'.

I have filed an amended FOIA with the FBI, sending them the property receipt they gave DPS. I am sure this is just an indexing problem and with the specific information, I feel certain they will be shortly forthcoming. Things do get lost in the system ya know.

But to correct the record, the DPS 'security videos' consist of:

16 - video surveillance tapes
1 - digital CCTV system hard drive (undetermined number of videos).​

I'll keep ya'll posted with any updates. But then again, if cicorp spent a little more time doing research and less of it on CIT/P4T he would know this stuff already.

 

[Sabretooth]

Thanks, BCR!

 

[TruthersLie]

BCR.

I had thought that the image

of the middle "security" camera was in fact a rig (some sort of pulley system) for lifting heavy equipment... (IIRC)

Looking at the image it shows what appears to be a security camera... am I wrong? Or was it some other truther images of the pentagon which was of pulley rigs? Or is this another of capt bobby's manipulated images?

 

[BCR]

BCR.

I had thought that the image
[qimg]http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/John_Farmer/63ax9xg.jpg[/qimg] of the middle "security" camera was in fact a rig (some sort of pulley system) for lifting heavy equipment... (IIRC)

Looking at the image it shows what appears to be a security camera... am I wrong? Or was it some other truther images of the pentagon which was of pulley rigs? Or is this another of capt bobby's manipulated images?

I have seen other photos of the camera there, however that does not mean it caught the plane. We have no way of knowing what the camera was focused on.

The same holds for the Navy Annex cameras. Most likely those were pointing down on an entrance or parking lot. However, at least one should have captured the planes shadow as it passed.

The ones at the Pentagon should show those evil NWO folks planting debris (or not). The main concern for me is they will end the 'security camera' nonsense and add as a verification to some eyewitness accounts.

However, I'm sure some will still wave and shout that they are fake.

 

[TruthersLie]

Well we need to tell Al Q and UBL that next time they strike the US they need to have IMAX quality cameras set up so we can get the super slow motion and see the hijackers faces....

 

[sheeplesnshills]

BCR.

I had thought that the image
[qimg]http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/John_Farmer/63ax9xg.jpg[/qimg] of the middle "security" camera was in fact a rig (some sort of pulley system) for lifting heavy equipment... (IIRC)

Looking at the image it shows what appears to be a security camera... am I wrong? Or was it some other truther images of the pentagon which was of pulley rigs? Or is this another of capt bobby's manipulated images?

The middle camera is just claimed to be in the same place as one on 2001. I have seen the original pictures and it looked like a hoist of some sort and not like any of the other cameras.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I have seen other photos of the camera there, however that does not mean it caught the plane. We have no way of knowing what the camera was focused on.

The same holds for the Navy Annex cameras. Most likely those were pointing down on an entrance or parking lot. However, at least one should have captured the planes shadow as it passed.

Do we know that the images from all of them were actually being recorded? Not all CCTV cameras are.

Dave

 

[TruthersLie]

The middle camera is just claimed to be in the same place as one on 2001. I have seen the original pictures and it looked like a hoist of some sort and not like any of the other cameras.

That is the one I"m talking about. IIRC there was the claim that the middle one was a camera, and a closer inspection showed it looked like a hoist/pulley system... but I don't know where that image was/is.

Does anyone else remember that image?
cuz I'd love to hand good ole cicorp his tail on it.

 

[Dog Town]

Do we know that the images from all of them were actually being recorded? Not all CCTV cameras are.

Dave

Ditto!

 

[NoahFence]

It's pretty unlikely that if all 3 were recording at the same time, they'd all be pointed in the same place, anyway.

 

[BCR]

I think you guys are thinking of Wal-Mart type CCTV systems. This is a high security military facility that is not very likely to use 'dummy' cameras. Regardless, enough were operational that the FBI took the entire hard drive for the digital ones and 16 analog tapes. As the Ft Myer folks indicated, they were not interested in systems with nothing on them, so I suspect there is a lot of good coverage represented.

 

[Dog Town]

I think you guys are thinking of Wal-Mart type CCTV systems. This is a high security military facility that is not very likely to use 'dummy' cameras.

I don't think anyone is saying the cams were "dummy". Just not recorded.

 

[DGM]

I don't know why you think they're are cameras. They're top secret missile defense lasers. How do I know? What would you make a secret missile laser look like?

 

[BCR]

I don't know why you think they're are cameras. They're top secret missile defense lasers. How do I know? What would you make a secret missile laser look like?

Sssshhhh. If you keep divulging classified info like that and we'll have to revoke your NWO badge and CPT Marvel decoder ring.

 

[Justin39640]

Well we need to tell Al Q and UBL that next time they strike the US they need to have IMAX quality cameras set up so we can get the super slow motion and see the hijackers faces....

The new cameras will shoot 140MM film at 300 FPS. The new cam pods will resemble a Phalanx CIWS.

 

[leftysergeant]

It appears to me that, if the center object is a camera, it is pointed at the helipad. The ones on the ends are pointed at parking areas directly in front of them. With boots on the ground outside, there would be little need for video of anything but sally points.

The plane sort of went between two sally points and was only caught by two cameras pointed across another sally point at the far end of that wall of the building.

 

[A W Smith]

Why would the three cameras on the roof of the Pentagon record video? You don't need to see who went into the Pentagon, You need to see who's going into the Pentagon via monitored live surveillance.

 

[Animal]

Why would the three cameras on the roof of the Pentagon record video? You don't need to see who went into the Pentagon, You need to see who's going into the Pentagon via monitored live surveillance.

Almost all security camera systems record, however depending on budget for storage, the recording is overwritten after a week or two or maybe a month.

 

[BCR]

Why would the three cameras on the roof of the Pentagon record video? You don't need to see who went into the Pentagon, You need to see who's going into the Pentagon via monitored live surveillance.

Guys, ya'll are starting to sound like 'truther' types. Of course the systems record. For a camera not to be set up to record is the exception, not the rule. So the question is "why would the three cameras on the roof of the Pentagon NOT record video?"

 

[leftysergeant]

So the question is "why would the three cameras on the roof of the Pentagon NOT record video?"

I have no doubt that they would.

They would record a few frames per minute, as the cameras on the parking lot gate did. It looks like sheer luck that they recorded any images at all of the aircraft. More importantly, to understand what I am saying next, they were far enough from the path of the aircrafrt that they were able to capture several images as it passed their fields of vision and burst into flames on impact. They were not even set to watch that patch of lawn, but that one gate and that one toll box.

None of the cameras on the edge of the roof were set to watch that lawn either. The two on the ends were set to watch parking areas right in front of them. It is unlikely that either had anywhere near the field of vision that the two parking lot cameras had, given that they were focused on specific areas much closer to them, from an aerial perspective.

The one near the helipad would obviously have been most concerned with recording events occurring on the helipad and would have included bloody little else in its field of vision. If it was, as we might logically assume, only recording time-lapsed images like the two gate cameras, it is entirely likely that the QE II could, at the same speed as the aircraft, have escaped being recorded as it passed through the cone that was its field of vision.