Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Bottom line his opinion is based on a work of Josephus who owed his life to the Roman Emperor -- was a traitor to his own people -- and even skeptics in here don't believe Josephus was right about saying Moses lived in Egypt.
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What the hell do you mean, "even the skeptics in here"? Nobody with a lick of sense believes that nonsense about Moshe and the reedcutters. Get a grip, DOC.


DOC said:
And how can he say it was an independent Jewish kingdom when the Romans helped put Herod the Great in power after Herod the Great went to Rome to plead for help. Do you really think the Romans did that without expecting something in return.
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We'll just add "has absolutely no idea how the Roman Empire worked" to your list of scholastic failures, will we?


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After reading the above, it seems logical if the Romans wanted a census they are going to get a census. Why shouldn't they, they put Herod the Great in power with their army.
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Never mind presenting ridiculous conjecture based on what you, of all people, consider to be logical. Where's your extra-biblical evidence, DOC?
 
joobz said:
There is no evidence of a census at the time.
Even if there was, it makes no sense to require everyone to travel from the town they live in to some other town for census taking.
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Especially with the constant threat of tsunamis in those godless unchristian days of the Cæsars.


joobz said:
Bottom line, Luke lied.
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Or failed to exist. Until this thread I'd never considered this possibility, but as I'm forced to look into this silly fairytale it seems ever more likely that the whole bloody lot of it is just make-believe.
 
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DOC said:
Bottom line his opinion is based on a work of Josephus who owed his life to the Roman Emperor -- was a traitor to his own people -- and even skeptics in here don't believe Josephus was right about saying Moses lived in Egypt.

And how can he say it was an independent Jewish kingdom when the Romans helped put Herod in power after Herod went to Rome to plead for help. Do you really think the Romans did that without expecting something in return.
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Are you asking a question here?

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DOC said:
Bottom line his opinion is based on a work of Josephus who owed his life to the Roman Emperor -- was a traitor to his own people -- and even skeptics in here don't believe Josephus was right about saying Moses lived in Egypt.

And how can he say it was an independent Jewish kingdom when the Romans helped put Herod in power after Herod went to Rome to plead for help. Do you really think the Romans did that without expecting something in return.
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When you're not postulating appalling theories about unjustified retribution against innocent people, you're really funny. For as long as this thread has been running, Josephus has been your shining-star example of extra-Biblical evidence for the truth of the New Testament, and now you're throwing him under the bus? And you don't expect us to remember all the times you've sung Josephus' praises, and take note of this new dishonest tactic on your part?


Do you really think the Romans did that without expecting something in return.
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I see you have resumed your cruel campaign to put the question mark out of a job.

ETA: oops, beaten out by Carlitos.


Akhenaten said:
Please take 9 internets each from Petty Cash.
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Nine internets? Woo-hoo! Can I buy anything with them besides Al Gore? :D
 
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joobz said:
there is no evidence of a census at the time.
Even if there was, it makes no sense to require everyone to travel from the town they live in to some other town for census taking.

Bottom line, Luke lied.
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Around this time last year, I was working as an enumerator for the US Census. Didn't you get your notice saying "Go back to the home of you ancestors and get yourself counted there"? That's why the 2010 census information that is becoming available shows that the US is occupied by Native Americans only. That's how censuses (censi?) work. No other method would make sense.
 
Elizabeth I said:
When you're not postulating appalling theories about unjustified retribution against innocent people, you're really funny. For as long as this thread has been running, Josephus has been your shining-star example of extra-Biblical evidence for the truth of the New Testament, and now you're throwing him under the bus? And you don't expect us to remember all the times you've sung Josephus' praises, and take note of this new dishonest tactic on your part?
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He's probably sought advice elsewhere and been told to dump Josephus. Ramsay will probably go next:rolleyes:
 
Hokulele said:
These are all reasons to believe the NT authors wrote what they believed was true, but it is not evidence that it was true.
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Ok, fair enough. They clearly believed they had seen the Resurrected Jesus Christ, and this is the primary fact that created the Christian movement.

That's a good place to start.
 
randman said:
Ok, fair enough. They clearly believed they had seen the Resurrected Jesus Christ, and this is the primary fact that created the Christian movement.

That's a good place to start.
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As a matter of fact, that would be a good place to start a new thread - the one DOC should have started if he had anything approaching what he claimed.

This thread is more than 19,000 posts long covering more than a couple of years.

I've read every last one of them.

DOC has yet to produce anything like what was promised in the first post.
 
randman said:
Ok, fair enough. They clearly believed they had seen the Resurrected Jesus Christ, and this is the primary fact that created the Christian movement.
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Unfortunately, we can't even say that they believed they had seen a resurrected Jesus. After all, there's no good evidence suggesting that the attributed authors of the gospels were the actual authors.
 
Not to mention that they are copies of copies of copies. And not even one solitary eyewitness, even with the very earliest christian writings attributed to Paul.
 
randman said:
Ok, fair enough. They clearly believed they had seen the Resurrected Jesus Christ, and this is the primary fact that created the Christian movement.

That's a good place to start.
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Actually, no. They believed that somebody they never met was saying he had seen the resurrected Jesus Christ decades ago in a country far away...
 
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randman said:
Hokulele said:
These are all reasons to believe the NT authors wrote what they believed was true, but it is not evidence that it was true.
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Ok, fair enough. They clearly believed they had seen the Resurrected Jesus Christ, and this is the primary fact that created the Christian movement.
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Whilst this may be hypothetically true of a couple of the alleged gospel writers, it's by no means true of the bloke who wrote most of the New Testament.


randman said:
That's a good place to start.
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Well yeah, it was. We did. 2½ years and 19,000 posts ago.
 
dafydd said:
Great opening line for a novel.
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Well, we already have a Luke and an evil emperor and Han is, in the French version, called Ian, which is a version of John... But I don't know if he ever made the Padmos run in less than 12 parsecs.
 
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Akhenaten said:
I can feel a picture coming on . . .
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A Motion picture.

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You'd definitively need to put Sir William's head on top of Leia's bust...
 
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