Kid gets suspended after standing up to bully

[gnome]

Thinking about it another way, enduring a suspension is a small price to pay for knowing that the little jerk will probably leave him alone from now on.

 

[Nihilianth]

Schools hate that, because when they are asked to actually exercise judgment, they might be wrong, and held accountable.

If they just have to follow a rule that doesn't require judgment, the outcome can still be wrong, but now they can't be held responsible. To me Zero-Tolerance is an excuse by schools to avoid accountability.

They are still accountable regardless. This kind of reasoning doesn't make any sense.

 

[Nihilianth]

I'm not sure it's always better to make the school lawsuit-immune by removing their discretion.

In some cases, wouldn't it be better to ask that they use good judgment and hold them accountable for it? Not the outcome, but for the judgment call. Reasonable and prudent person standard, and all that.

Lawsuits are terribly counter-productive. Hold a school accountable for a poor judgment call? I dunno about that. No school can get every single situation correct every single time. However, they can certainly remedy a poor decision when it does come out that perhaps one decision may not have been the best course of action.

I just say that people need to leave schools alone when it comes to lawsuits. Let the school handle such situations to the best of it's ability. When it does get something wrong, no big deal. They made a mistake. Big whoop. As long as they correct the mistake, we can move on.

But punishing victims the same as bullies is a terrible policy.

 

[Nihilianth]

Casey and his dad claimed that he's filled in somewhere between 60-70 incident reports and that every time he reports being bullied that's all that the school does. He mentioned some students who attack him get suspended for a couple of days then come back and do the same thing, so he's asked to fill out yet another incident report about that same student.

It doesn't matter what percentage of your students are Aboriginal, or poor, or immigrants. Every school has the power to expel students and every teacher has the power to call the police if things are really getting out of hand. If a student is suspended for bullying, then comes back to school and does the same thing, why isn't greater action being taken? This school failed in its duty of care to Casey at the very least, and has probably done the same to many other students as well.

Absolutely! Ya know, in society outside of the school grounds, there is a word for "bullying." It is called "assault" and "harassment." Both are criminal offenses, and it is the justice department of the state's job to deal with criminal behavior.

Just like on the property of a bar, when violence occurs on school property, the school is responsible to get the police involved, NOT to handle it themselves.

I have no idea why we handle assault and harassment differently between adults than we do between children. Certainly the punishment of a child committing a criminal offense should be handled differently from an adult committing the same criminal offense. But they need to be dealt with by the same authorities: The criminal justice system. Obviously minors do not get punished as harshly as adults, but it is still up to the CJ system to deal with it. Not the school.

To me, a school failing to get the cops and a judge involved, is most certainly failing the students who attend said school. I know in the state of Pennsylvania, whenever a fight breaks out, the teachers initially try to break it up, as another teacher runs to call the cop real quick. Both parties get carted off by the police, and an investigation ensues by the police. Charges are brought against the responsible party.

 

[gnome]

Lawsuits are terribly counter-productive. Hold a school accountable for a poor judgment call? I dunno about that. No school can get every single situation correct every single time. However, they can certainly remedy a poor decision when it does come out that perhaps one decision may not have been the best course of action.

I just say that people need to leave schools alone when it comes to lawsuits. Let the school handle such situations to the best of it's ability. When it does get something wrong, no big deal. They made a mistake. Big whoop. As long as they correct the mistake, we can move on.

But punishing victims the same as bullies is a terrible policy.

If a school official makes a bad judgment call that causes loss (which is the grounds for a lawsuit) it makes sense for the state to cover the plaintiff's actual losses. I don't see much benefit in punitive damages from the state itself.

Accountability need not be limited to lawsuits.

 

[Nihilianth]

If a school official makes a bad judgment call that causes loss (which is the grounds for a lawsuit) it makes sense for the state to cover the plaintiff's actual losses. I don't see much benefit in punitive damages from the state itself.

Accountability need not be limited to lawsuits.

Ok, thanks for that clarity. I was afraid that you were talking about lawsuits and tort. I see you were not. Thank you.

 

[Legend]

Just saw a new video of a bully getting beat up, this time in America. Just to let you know this one is more violent, it's of older boys who get in a fist fight, even though the guy's punches are weak, there are a lot of them in rapid succession, it's very aggressive, so...

 

[Nihilianth]

Just saw a new video of a bully getting beat up, this time in America. Just to let you know this one is more violent, it's of older boys who get in a fist fight, even though the guy's punches are weak, there are a lot of them in rapid succession, it's very aggressive, so...

That wasn't all that aggressive. In fact, I LOL'ed over how sad it was, if it wasn't fake.

Regardless, I would have knocked the **** out of that short little ********** after pushing me the second or third time.

 

[enjoytheview]

That was probably one of the most boring school fights I've ever seen online. I call fake, but if it's real, I'm embarrassed for both of them.

 

[Beerina]

There seems to be two big questions here:

1. Did Casey over-react?
2. Did the punishment fit the crime?

I say NO and NO.

Reason to #1: Casey had every human right to defend himself. He incapacitated the aggressor and walked away. He didn't continue to beat the runt, stomp him into eternity, sit on him, or kick his face in. He ended the engagement and got out of there. That is exactly what he should have done.

Had Casey done nothing (and it seems this was the case in previous encounters), nothing would have changed. How much crap do you expect the kid to take before he finally snaps? Had Casey crippled the poor toad, I still believe it's justified. The people in charge obviously did not take action...so this time Casey did. Good for him.

Reason to #2: No one should ever be punished for defending themselves from danger. The little runt was punching Casey in the face for FS. Casey ended the encounter and walked away. This is ultimately the school's fault, not Casey's. All this says to bullies is; if you instigate a fight, your victim will be brought down with you, so go right ahead and swing away.

Thank you. Maybe a lawsuit against the school district for not maintaining safety, such that the victim got attacked, would focus their attention from the inanity of punishing someone for defending themselves.

It's ironic general consensus is the other direction, with states passing laws that you do not, in fact, have to back down and walk away from an aggressor. I'm shocked elected clownage ever got that far in bastardizing human relationships with laws in the first place.

 

[Legend]

That wasn't all that aggressive. In fact, I LOL'ed over how sad it was, if it wasn't fake.

Regardless, I would have knocked the **** out of that short little ********** after pushing me the second or third time.

That was probably one of the most boring school fights I've ever seen online. I call fake, but if it's real, I'm embarrassed for both of them.

The thought of fake when through my mind too, and it'd make sense, but I don't know, I think I'll throw my chips in the real pile for now.

And I agree, it was incredibly pathetic. Just thought some might not like to watch actual fists being thrown, however pathetically weak they may be.

 

[Nihilianth]

The thought of fake when through my mind too, and it'd make sense, but I don't know, I think I'll throw my chips in the real pile for now.

And I agree, it was incredibly pathetic. Just thought some might not like to watch actual fists being thrown, however pathetically weak they may be.

I loled when enjoytheview nearly mimicked my post.

ETA: Too many people have too thin a skin. I think it's mostly the extreme liberals who are this way.

 

[qayak]

ETA: Too many people have too thin a skin. I think it's mostly the extreme liberals who are this way.

Really, have you seen how easily even the not so extreme conservatives are to take offence?

 

[Nihilianth]

Really, have you seen how easily even the not so extreme conservatives are to take offence?

Oh, I don;t mean about taking offense to rude behavior towards a person. I mean the squeamishness they have in seeing a couple of boys getting in a fight. Like the body slam in the OP. There were far too many people who thought there was some reasonable chance for that Ritchard kid in getting injured in some extreme way.

I am not saying there was NO chance. But the chances were quite nil, and blown so far out of proportion as to be quite laughable.

The fact that the Legend person felt the need to post a "Warning!" about the violence depicted in his link he provided a couple of posts back for one of the most pathetic so-called "fights" I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing, makes my claim quite evident.