Merged Cold Fusion Claims

[Aepervius]

Yeah i can see those new claim :

http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_stri...100000/10000/7000/300/117324/117324.strip.gif

Isn#t he the little white guy on the left of the picture ?

 

[paiute]

Professor Bolotov is now claiming to have a cold fusion device

And I am claiming to be the Queen of England.

 

[Last of the Fraggles]

He also claims that the by product of the reaction is large quantities of palladium and iridium. Both of these are very expensive elements. They both sell for close to a thousand dollars an ounce!

Presumably not for very long if his claims are true? Get in quick!

Remind me again why he needs $15m and can't just make the money selling all his palladium and iridium?

 

[pedrone]

Apparently some PhD types from Bologna U have released the paper linked in his blog below. If the university is genuinely involved to this point it might be more than your average scam.
( deleted the link of the blog Journal of Nuclear Physics, because I'm not allowed to post links )

There is a new theory proposed in the Andrea Rossi blog, where it's stated that there is need a new nuclear model to explain cold fusion:


9. Cold fusion requires a New Physics

The book “Quantum Ring Theory-Foundations for Cold Fusion” was published in 2006. After its publication, the cold fusion researchers neglected the theory, because of the strategy explained ahead.
Since 1989 when it was announced by Fleischmmann and Pons, the cold fusion researchers have along the years hoped to get funds from the governments of several countries, so that to continue the development of the cold fusion technology. But a cold fusion reaction is not possible according to the foundations of Quantum Mechanics, and so a cold fusion technology would require a New Physics for its development. It would be so hard to get funds for developing a technology impossible to occur (according to the current theories), which would require a New Physics. Then the cold fusion researchers replaced the name “cold fusion” by LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions), and started to claim that:
a) it actually was not cold fusion
b) there was no need of a New Physics for its explanation

Well, the cold fusion technology developed by Eng. Andrea A. Rossi and Professor Sergio Focardi is ready, and the cold fusion reactors are ready to be sold. They don’t need funds from the governments for the development of the technology. Therefore there is no need to avoid the correct name for the phenomenon, which is cold fusion, because there are two facts that show that it is indeed a fusion: the transmutation of elements, and the emission of neutrons above the background of neutrons. And since it occurs under conditions of room pressure and low temperature, then of course it is cold fusion.

Besides, the experiments in the LHC are already showing that something is wrong with the current theories (from the data collected in 2010, the Supersymmetry would have to be confirmed, but the experiments have found nothing). Some physicists already are saying that LHC will show the need of a New Physics. And so, if there is need of a New Physics for the LHC, then why not a New Physics for explaining cold fusion too?

Quantum Ring Theory is a New Physics. And probably the principles proposed in the theory are those ones which will bring the explanation for cold fusion.
Perhaps the foundations proposed in Quantum Ring Theory are wrong, and then another New Physics must be found.

Nevertheless, no matter what is the New Physics that will be found (in the hypothesis that QRT is wrong), such New Physics will have to satisfy some conditions already shown in QRT. For instance, the new hydrogen model of the New Physics must be able to explain the successes of Bohr (and the existence of the centripetal acceleration on the electron).
A New Physics cannot live together with paradoxes again, as happened along the 20th Century.

Some experiments are suggesting that Quantum Ring Theory is correct. We can mention for instance the Dehmelt experiment, the Borghi and Conte-Pierlice experiments, and that recent experiment which confirmed the helical trajectory of the photon, published in July-2010.

There are many other experiments suggesting that QRT is right. Of course there is need a lot of more strong evidences so that to confirm the theory. But what will decide either the theory is correct, or wrong, is the investigation and the submission of its models to experiments.

 

[summand]

First they state that they don't know how it works, now they state a new physics is needed?
And then they introduce a concept that was not published in any real scientific journal? Bah.

Recent LHC experiments have indeed pushed the required mass of susy particles upward and if this trend continues susy will have to be abandoned. So what?

 

[Cuddles]

There is a new theory proposed in the Andrea Rossi blog, where it's stated that there is need a new nuclear model to explain cold fusion:

If cold fusion existed, we may well need a new nuclear model to explain it. However, until someone actually demonstrates that cold fusion exists, we really don't. Rossi is big on claims but, as already discussed at length in this thread, rather short on actual results.

I did like this bit though:

Some physicists already are saying that LHC will show the need of a New Physics.

Well yes. That's the whole point of the LHC. If we didn't think it would discover new physics, we wouldn't have needed to build it in the first place. It seems to be a common theme with crackpots that they just don't understand the LHC, or any other cutting edge experiments. For some reason they think that finding something new would be a huge problem and overthrow all existing physics, rather than being exactly the reason anyone does experiments at all.

As for this:

And so, if there is need of a New Physics for the LHC, then why not a New Physics for explaining cold fusion too?

Because it doesn't exist. You don't need new physics to explain why some people have delusions of grandeur.

 

[BenBurch]

If it existed, we'd see geophysical evidence of it...

 

[pedrone]

the intriguing cold fusion results obtained by Mosier-Boss

In 23 March-2009 Pamela Mosier-Boss reported compelling new scientific evidence for the existence of cold fusion.

She used the plastic CR-39 in her experiment.
The cold fusion device produced pattern of "triple tracks" , which scientists say is caused by high-energy nuclear particles resulting from a nuclear reaction.

Some nuclear physicists who analysed the triple tracks in the CR-39 said that there is no doubt: they were produced by neutrons.

Several links commenting her experiments can be found by typing "pamela mosier-boss" in the Google.

 

[Dancing David]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090323110450.htm

 

[Tubbythin]

This sounds like the Rossi II. Again, long on claims, short on proof.

EDIT: This one looks even worse. It looks to be fusing zirconium with stuff. But that can't generate energy at all -- it's endoenergetic, since those elements are higher than iron, and a transmutation reaction from a higher-than-iron to another higher-than-iron (increasing Z) element (and palladium is Z=46 vs zirconium at Z=40), is such an endoenergetic process. It takes more energy to overcome the Coulomb force than is gotten out by the nuclear interaction. This I'd give even less hope of working due to that, whereas at least the proposed reactions for Rossi's device could have possibly generated energy, although there's no known physical mechanism by which they could occur at room temp.

I think you're a little confused. ⁵⁶Fe is at (well very near) the peak of the binding energy per nucleon curve. This means that if we had some huge collection of nucleons to play with (where protons and neutrons could be interchanged as we wished) and wanted to put them into nuclei so that we got out as much energy as possible, ⁵⁶Fe would be one of the best options (along with ⁶²Ni). That does not mean, however, that the total binding energy of ⁵⁶Fe is greater than, say ⁵⁷Co, because while the binding energy per nucleon is less for the latter, the total number of bound nucleons is higher. In other words, the binding energy of 56 nucleons to form an iron nucleus with a single proton with 0 binding energy is less than the binding energy of 57 nucleons in a cobalt nucleus.

 

[ben m]

For the love of all heck.

What, exactly, do neutrons have to do with cold fusion? I detect neutrons all the time; they're an ubiquitous component of natural background radiation. Most of the time I wish I could get rid of them.

And I don't think there's a cold-fusion device following me around the lab.

And---CR-39 is the worst possible detector for a neutron experiment. It's an integrator. When you etch CR-39 you see all of the radiation that's ever hit it, between the day it was manufactured and the day you etched it. It doesn't tell you when the hits occurred. It doesn't particularly tell you what the hits were. It's useful for one and only one thing:

a) detecting large neutron/proton/etc. fluxes (i.e., large enough to overwhelm the inevitable background), when
b) there's a gamma-ray background so large that other detectors (borated scintillator, etc.) are saturated.

That's why they get used at accelerators, in ICF experiments, etc. It's the wrong thing to use for a low-background experiment of any sort. It's doubly the wrong thing to use for a pulsed low background experiment. For a low-background, pulsed neutron experiment, you want a blob of boron-loaded plastic scintillator and a photomultiplier tube.

 

[Madalch]

I love the comments- a couple of guys are talking about how the dirty evolutionists will see this technology buried or otherwise "Expelled".

 

[pedrone]

For the love of all heck.

And---CR-39 is the worst possible detector for a neutron experiment.
It's useful for one and only one thing:

a) detecting large neutron/proton/etc. fluxes (i.e., large enough to overwhelm the inevitable background), when
b) there's a gamma-ray background so large that other detectors (borated scintillator, etc.) are saturated.

It is just what was detected in Mosier-Boss experiment (above the background)

But there is another intriguing fact in her experiment.

The neutrons detected had about 10MeV.
But considering that they would be emitted from deuterium, the energy available is only about 2MeV (the binding energy of deuterium).

 

[pedrone]

cold fusion: is there a conspiracy ?

Cold fusion is impossible, according to the foundations of Quantum Mechanics.

But there is a lot of cold fusion researchers worldwide.

How does explain that so many people try to get something that everybody knows to be impossible, along more than 20 years ?

What do they want prove ?

Why do they spend their time and money with cold fusion ?

Are they conspirators ?

If yes, however what is the aim of the conspiracy ?

 

[pedrone]

Remind me again why he needs $15m and can't just make the money selling all his palladium and iridium?

The same occurred to me.
However, I suppose it's very hard to extract the palladium and iridium, so that to get a process economically viable

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Cold fusion is impossible, according to the foundations of Quantum Mechanics.

But there is a lot of cold fusion researchers worldwide.

How does explain that so many people try to get something that everybody knows to be impossible, along more than 20 years ?

Lots of people tried to turn lead into gold, for a long time.

What do they want prove ?

...that cold fusion is possible, silly. Or they want to prove they're good at wasting their time. I can't really tell.

Why do they spend their time and money with cold fusion ?

...they want to prove that cold fusion is possible, silly. Or they like wasting their (and investors) time and money. I can't really tell.

Are they conspirators ?

Yes, they are conspiring with stupidity.

If yes, however what is the aim of the conspiracy ?

The aim of the conspiracy is to prove that cold fusion is possible, silly. Or to waste their (and investors) time and money. I can't really tell.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Montgolfier to Wright brothers. How long?

 

[pedrone]

Well yes. That's the whole point of the LHC. If we didn't think it would discover new physics, we wouldn't have needed to build it in the first place. It seems to be a common theme with crackpots that they just don't understand the LHC, or any other cutting edge experiments. For some reason they think that finding something new would be a huge problem and overthrow all existing physics, rather than being exactly the reason anyone does experiments at all.

They claim that, if the LHC will not confirm the current theories, then there will be the need of replacing some principles of Quantum Mechanics:


Therefore, probably in 2014 there will be a general consensus in the community of physicits: the need of looking for a New Physics.

Nevertheless, having a consensus about the need of a New Physics, a fundamental question arises:

What sort of New Physics will it be?​

Only two sort of New Physics are possible:

1- A New Physics that keeps all the fundamental principles of Quantum Mechanics, as the physicists did along the development of Quantum Field Theory.

2- A New Physics that rejects some principles of Quantum Mechanics, replacing them by new ones. Then such New Theory will be a rival of Quantum Field Theory, since it will be a candidate to be a new successor of Quantum Mechanics, with some of its principles replaced by new ones.

Then let’s analyse the two sort of New Physics.

1- Keeping the principles of QM – Along 100 years, thousand of theorists developed several theories based on the foundations of Quantum Mechanics, which fundamental principles the scientific community now try to confirm in the LHC.
Then a question arises: if they did not succeed to find a correct theory along 100 years under that way of keeping the fundamental principles of Quantum Mechanics, is it reasonable to hope that they will succeed to find it in the next years, by continuing to keep those fundamental principles of QM not confirmed in the LHC?

2- Rejecting and replacing some principles of QM - OK, we realized that it makes no sense to keep all the principles of QM, since after 100 years of attempts, the LHC disproved such an effort, showing that the structure of our universe is not like predicted in the prevailing theories. Then there is need to look for a New Physics with new principles.

But then three questions arise:
- what sort of new principles must be adopted?
- what are the principles of Quantum Mechanics that need to be rejected?
- what are the new principles which would have to replace those ones rejected in QM?

This is the question.

 

[pedrone]

Yes, they are conspiring with stupidity.

It's hard to believe that there are so many stupid guys in the world.
Mainly because some among them are Noble Laureate.
For instance, Edward Teller, the father of the bomb H, was convinced about the cold fusion occurrence

 

[Fnord]

... How does explain that so many people try to get something that everybody knows to be impossible, along more than 20 years?

No matter what the facts may prove, there will always be someone who will insist that the facts are wrong or misinterpreted.

What do they want prove ?

That they are right, and that everybody else is wrong

Why do they spend their time and money with cold fusion ?

For future return on investment, in the form of fame, money, and historical immortality.

Are they conspirators ?

Judging by how jealously they guard their 'secrets', from each other and the general public, I'd say 'not'.

If yes, however what is the aim of the conspiracy ?

To develop cold fusion as a means to fame and glory, and to prove to all those uppity science folk how stupid they really are. I mean, if I could make and sell a "Fnordic Fusion" home power source, using only materials I could gather from the local landfill, wouldn't that embarrass the real scientists? Wouldn't they scream with rage when they realize that I - a mere mortal - would practically steal the Nobel prize right out from under them? Wouldn't it make me feel all smug and prideful as I turn down their invitations to speak, while raking in the royalties from my snarky tell-all book that slams the university boffins who laughed at me when I said that I could do it?

You can betcha dupa it would!

... now, if I could only find a ready source of Element 114 ... just a few milligrams or so ...