Bill Ayers admits he wrote "Dreams From My Father"

[randman]

Is anyone really surprised that Obama had a ghost writer? None of his writings indicated that much skill, including another book, but he all of the sudden writes a book with a depth of literary skill he never possessed before and just happens to use a lot of the same imagery, language and style as his friend Bill Ayers?

 

[timhau]

 

[332nd]

Is anyone really surprised that Obama had a ghost writer? None of his writings indicated that much skill, including another book, but he all of the sudden writes a book with a depth of literary skill he never possessed before and just happens to use a lot of the same imagery, language and style as his friend Bill Ayers?

Yeah! It's like telling us the same guy who wrote "Titus Andronicus" also wrote "King Lear".

(Or, What Timhau said.)

 

[Tricky]

LOL! So S22, you're an expert on humor detection. How do you know I'm not being humorous in this thread. That this wasn't one big deliberate joke? Afterall, I've given you lots of facial expressions to analyze. Don't just listen to what I say.

Actually, that does sound a lot like your brand of joke. The "Let's tell a big lie and then defend it like it was really true, just to get the liberals worked up" school of humor slays them every time at Bob Jones University.

 

[CptColumbo]

Is anyone really surprised that Obama had a ghost writer? None of his writings indicated that much skill, including another book, but he all of the sudden writes a book with a depth of literary skill he never possessed before and just happens to use a lot of the same imagery, language and style as his friend Bill Ayers?

You do know he was President of the Harvard Law Review.

What "other book" are you refering to? Dream from My Father IIRC was his first.

A person's writing style also evolves over time and later writings don't always have the same style. A good example is the play (and film) Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? by Edward Albee. You will notice a significant change in the writing style in the first part of the play from the middle (second act) and the last act. It changes from realism to the realm of the absurd. Albee reportedly wrote each act several years apart.

 

[Thunder]

Liar.

ironic, considering you are actually arguing that Bill Ayer's wrote Barack Obama's book...and admitted to it.

I think the liar here, is clearly you.

 

[BeAChooser]

Read the damn article.

Read all the articles Cashill published. If you'd do that, you'd acknowledge that your statement that *Cashill bases his entire argument on what the author of Barack and Michelle: An American Marriage states in his book* is patently false.

 

[BeAChooser]

You do know he was President of the Harvard Law Review.

During which time he wrote next to nothing ... the opposite what all other Presidents of the Harvard Law Review seem to have done.

 

[Spindrift]

During which time he wrote next to nothing ... the opposite what all other Presidents of the Harvard Law Review seem to have done.

So what? Ayers was joking.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

And the woo goes 'round and 'round.

 

[Thunder]

During which time he wrote next to nothing ... the opposite what all other Presidents of the Harvard Law Review seem to have done.

have you read Dreams of My Father or Audacity of Hope?

 

[CptColumbo]

During which time he wrote next to nothing ... the opposite what all other Presidents of the Harvard Law Review seem to have done.

What do you base that on?
Have you ever read the Harvard Law review?

 

[Arus808]

Read all the articles Cashill published. If you'd do that, you'd acknowledge that your statement that *Cashill bases his entire argument on what the author of Barack and Michelle: An American Marriage states in his book* is patently false.

I reread my statement and was actually supposed to say that ANDERSON based his entire argument on what CASHILL wrote and CASHILL agreed with him.

My fault for using an android phone to post to this forum.

so my error on that part

Its still a circle jerk of nonsense, since CASHILL doesn't source anything; except himself when referencing the "similarities" in writing and CASHILL has shown that he has no expertise in judging how people write.

He also writes for WND, who's authors have a huge and difficult time of reporting anything remotely close to being true (Abercrombie interview?)




Psst.

AYERS WAS JOKING

 

[Bill Thompson]

1. This lie (if Ayres was not joking.... it looks like he was)
2. Lied in Cairo about the "Golden Age of Islam".
3. Lied about not sending American boots into Libya which Reuiters now says he has done.

By the way, duriing the election, when I told my Liberal friends that everyone thinks Bill Ayers wrote this book they would reply "you don't really believe that, do you?".

Even if Ayres was joking he does not say that Obama did write it and he did not.

I remember something about Ayers at least helping out that was admitted. I will have to find it online. Otherwise it is not true.

 

[NotJesus]

By the way, duriing the election, when I told my Liberal friends that everyone thinks Bill Ayers wrote this book they would reply "you don't really believe that, do you?"

Why did you tell them that? It's certainly not true.

Even if Ayres was joking he does not say that Obama did write it and he did not.

Evidence? No, of course not.

I remember something about Ayers at least helping out that was admitted. I will have to find it online. Otherwise it is not true.

It's not true.

 

[Thunder]

3. Lied about not sending American boots into Libya which Reuiters now says he has done.

ironic, but THIS is a lie.

there are no American military personnel in Libya, just as Obama promised.

 

[BeAChooser]

I reread my statement and was actually supposed to say that ANDERSON based his entire argument on what CASHILL wrote and CASHILL agreed with him.

So you meant to say that but instead said "Cashill based his entire argument/article on what the AUTHOR of Barack and Michelle: An American Marriage stated in his book." I see. An easy enough mistake to make.

By the way, Anderson did not base his entire argument on what Cashill wrote, either. Andersen wrote in his book that after Obama finally got a new contract to write a book, Michelle Obama suggested that her husband get advice “from his friend and Hyde Park neighbor Bill Ayers.” That did not come from Cashill. Andersen wrote: “These oral histories, along with a partial manuscript and a truckload of notes, were given to Ayers.” That did not come from Cashill. And Andersen wrote: “In the end, Ayers’s contribution to Barack’s Dreams From My Father would be significant — so much so that the book’s language, oddly specific references, literary devices, and themes would bear a jarring similarity to Ayers’s own writing.” That did not come from Cashill either. That was Anderson's own opinion before Cashill had even talked to him or read his book

CASHILL doesn't source anything; except himself when referencing the "similarities" in writing

Why would he need to source anything other than the books themselves? Similarities are similarities. If you want to argue they aren't, then do so, one by one for the list noted in http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79392 . Don't just wave your hand and dismiss them. And by the way, I'll again point out that source does not come close to describing the complete list of similarities that Cashill found and described in his other articles and book, as noted in my previous posts. Cashill actually found 759 points of congruence. But that WN list is a good place to start. If you dare.

By the way, you might want to look at these additional sources since they pertain to an analysis of similiarities done by someone other than Cashill but sourced by Cashill, in direct contradiction to what you claimed above:

http://treasonabledoubt.com/

http://treasonabledoubt.com/downloads/files/FictionFixer-Obama-Ayers.pdf

As the author concluded:

“Striking” is an understatement for the relationship FictionFixer uncovered between Fugitive Days and Dreams From My Father.

 

[Thunder]

BAC- have you read Dreams of My Father and Audacity of Hope?

 

[BeAChooser]

T - And if I say yes, what then?

 

[kookbreaker]

Hmmm

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This does not seem to be the tool of scientific analysis. Seems to me that using it as such is like bringing in a focus group survey to calibrate your lab balance.