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My argument against materialism

punshhh said:
You know the quote "there is a fine line between genius and insanity".

Shall we tread this line?
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No. I don't label myself so, and those who do have a large problem with their ego.

And, you're no genius. Before you can be a genius you'll have to understand something and be an average-intelligence person.
 
punshhh said:
The only difference from materialism as I see it is that I have included a category which includes the answers to existence.
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But you've decided that those answers will not be part of a materialist outlook? Are you taking a dualist position here?
 
punshhh said:
The only difference from materialism as I see it is that I have included a category which includes the answers to existence.
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Except that mysticism has no answers. Who said that existence was asking questions?
 
Mashuna said:
But you've decided that those answers will not be part of a materialist outlook? Are you taking a dualist position here?
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The suggestion that those answers are not part of a materialist outlook has been made by others taking a materialist stance in this thread.

No not a dualist position.
 
Belz... said:
No. I don't label myself so, and those who do have a large problem with their ego.

And, you're no genius. Before you can be a genius you'll have to understand something and be an average-intelligence person.
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I don't mean literally, its a figure of speech. I've always thought the word over rated anyway.

I do understand things, you should have realised that by now.
 
punshhh said:
I don't mean literally, its a figure of speech. I've always thought the word over rated anyway.

I do understand things, you should have realised that by now.
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You have shown no signs of understanding anything so far. When asked a serious questions about inconceivables (and we still don't know what they are in your idiosyncratic vocabulary) you told us a story about your pal standing on his head. That is crankish behaviour.
 
punshhh said:
You've got it in one!

I have no argument with materialism, I just add an entity.

This entity is the set of unknown unknowns.
I see no other difference between us.
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punshhh said:
The only difference from materialism as I see it is that I have included a category which includes the answers to existence.
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The unknown is the answer to existence?

You are fooling yourself.
 
punshhh said:
Yes the theoretical should be categorised, its not as simple as I put it. I agree with your point about your avatar except, I don't regard thinking being involved unless the viewer begins to question the effect the lines are having on their perception.
This would imply some colouring in the territory or instant recognition part of the mind, which I would regard as genetic.
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So, back to the gray 2010 Toyota Prius. You had mentioned that if I see such a thing, it might be map, or it might be territory, depending on whether or not there is perceived intentional thought.

It appears that you would regard this is "map" if it involves thought, and in a more refined analysis you would say that we need to categorize the map according to whether or not it is influenced by personality/ego or something akin to the scientific method. (I imagine that you're thinking something like, I'm concluding that the thing I'm looking at is a gray 2010 Toyota Prius on illegitimate grounds--possibly wishful thinking or something like that).

But if this is the case... why do you think it matters that such categorizations are categorizations of what you're calling map, versus categorizations of what you're calling territory?

In other words, given that I see a 2010 Toyota Prius, what use is the part of the analysis where you tell whether or not it is what you're calling "map" versus "territory" with regard to how close you're judging it to be to the real world?
 
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I have to say thanks to Punshh. I could never have come up with a song title like Event Horizon of the Formless on my own. Oh, and thanks to Limbo too, for Chaos Magic. Excellent titles, both.
 
Robin said:
What is the question?
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The question may be unknowable and we may not have the intelligence to determine if we can know it or not.

All I can do is ask the questions which satisfy my requirement for an answer.

These are;

What is existence?
How is it in existence?
Why is it in existence?
Who and what am I?
 
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