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Thunder said:
Israel has just passed a law allowing the govt. to strip anyone who is convicted of terrorism, of their citizenship.

Do you really want folks who throw rocks at soldiers, to have their citizenship revoked?

Not just imprisoned and fined, but to actually lose their citizenship???

wow.
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I'm very confused by this. Have you ascertained that throwing rocks at soldiers is considered terrorism?

You haven't proven that the ADL have called throwing rocks at soldiers terrorism. You just assert that they do.

But secondly, what you are saying now is very confusing indeed.

throwing rocks at invading soldiers who occupy your town, is not terrorism.
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Where do the ADL say it is?

And, how can you be a citizen of a country "occupy[ing] your town"?

If they were Palestinians being occupied then they wouldn't have Israeli citizenship. If they were Israelis who consider Israelis to be alien occupiers of their town then they surely wouldn't want Israeli citizenship.

Can you substantiate your claim that the ADL consider rock-throwing is terrorism?

Will Israelis lose their citizenship for throwing rocks and if so is this considered terrorism?

Why would anyone who considers themselves to be occupied by the Israelis also consider themselves as Israeli?
 
Thunder said:
I don't think he wants to tell us, cause he knows how horrible and barbaric a solution it is.
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well, to be fair lets give the guy a chance. I remember mark39 (good old marcus, I miss him)
he dodged the question for quite some time until he finally came up with forcably expelling thenm into surrounding Arab countries.....I'm not suggesting Virus has similar views but lets see.
 
The Fool said:
well, to be fair lets give the guy a chance. I remember mark39 (good old marcus, I miss him)
he dodged the question for quite some time until he finally came up with forcably expelling thenm into surrounding Arab countries.....I'm not suggesting Virus has similar views but lets see.
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the right-wing Zionists have already proposed a less-evil solution:

transfer Arab citizenship and voting rights to Jordan, but let them stay in Israel and the West Bank....IF they swear allegiance to Israel.

anyone who violates the oath, will be immediately deported to Jordan.

nice huh?
 
Seems a lot of threads started by Thunder are discussing alleged "bias" or "Islamophobia" and then turn out to be........what was that word........oh yes, propaganda.
 
truethat -- the whole point about soldiers is moot, since we all know very well rocks will not be thrown only at soldiers but at anyone, soldiers or civilian, and that in any case it won't end with rocks, but continue to bullets, bombs, etc.
 
Since we've reach the point of ranting about "right-wing zionist propaganda" and smiley barrages, this means on this forum parky concedes the point, in this case that, yes, Hamas & co. are not liberal but, rather, reactionary terrorists.

Experience shows the next stage is to troll "Ha'aretz"'s web site for something else to blame Israel for, pretending enormous moral outrage at something you didn't even know existed five minutes ago.
 
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Skeptic said:
truethat -- the whole point about soldiers is moot, since we all know very well rocks will not be thrown only at soldiers but at anyone, soldiers or civilian, and that in any case it won't end with rocks, but continue to bullets, bombs, etc.
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Well not necessarily.

I just have listened to Egyptians go on about the "rocks being thrown at tanks" for about 2 decades now. As if the Palestinians are tossing rocks at "tanks" and then the guards are opening up machine guns on them from inside the tank.

It's typical propaganda.


Unfortunately throwing rocks is usually something like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOnUdSufSHA&feature=related

Maybe Thunder confused the cement truck in the clip with a "tank"
 
Skeptic said:
Since we've reach the point of ranting about "right-wing zionist propaganda" and smiley barrages, this means on this forum parky concedes the point, in this case that, yes, Hamas & co. are not liberal but, rather, reactionary terrorists.

Experience shows the next stage is to troll "Ha'aretz"'s web site for something else to blame Israel for, pretending enormous moral outrage at something you didn't even know existed five minutes ago.
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There'll be another thread up shortly either incensed at the use of the word "terrorist" being misapplied or else at the lies of the Lying Neo-Zio Right-Wing Propaganda Zionazi Eichmanesque Smear Ministry of the Zionist Entity and its Transparent Zionist Propaganda Lies!!!!TM
 
I don't really think there is a solution. There isn't one that doesn't involve the Palestinians jettisoning a lot of cultural pathologies.

A clear majority of Israelis would instantly hand over the West Bank and its settlements along with Gaza for a real shot at peace with the Arabs, but that’s not an option. Most Arab governments at least implicitly say they will recognize Israel’s right to exist inside its pre-1967 borders, but far too many Palestinians still won’t recognize Israel’s right to exist even in its 1948 borders. Hamas doesn’t recognize Israel’s right to exist inside any borders at all.

“We will never recognize Israel,” senior Hamas leader Nizar Rayyan said before he was killed by an air strike in Gaza during the recent fighting. “There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination.”

Hamas does not speak for all Palestinians. I’ve met Palestinians who sincerely despise Hamas and everything it stands for. But let’s not kid ourselves here. Hamas speaks for a genuinely enormous number of Palestinians, and peace is impossible as long as that’s true. An-Najah University conducted a poll of Palestinian public opinion a few months ago and found that 53.4 percent persist in their rejection of a two-state solution.
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Far too many Westerners make the mistake of projecting their own views onto Palestinians without really understanding the Palestinian narrative. The “occupation” doesn’t refer to the West Bank and Gaza, and it never has. The “occupation” refers to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. A kibbutz in the center of Israel is “occupied Palestine” according to most. “It makes no sense to a Palestinian to think about a Palestinian state alongside Israel,” Martin Kramer from the Shalem Center in Jerusalem said to me a few days ago. “From the Palestinian perspective, Israel will always exist inside Palestine.”
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http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-mother-of-all-quagmires/
 
“We will never recognize Israel,” senior Hamas leader Nizar Rayyan said before he was killed by an air strike in Gaza during the recent fighting. “There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination.”
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What was he fighting about then?
 
senior Hamas leader Nizar Rayyan said before he was killed by an air strike in Gaza during the recent fighting. “There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination.”
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This sure raises irony to a whole new level.
 
Skeptic said:
...to someone who merely killed some dirty Jews.

You got his number.
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gawd......you do love playing the jew card, don't you?......
that's one heck of a persecution complex you have there....:rolleyes:

please note:
this is the israei/palestinian thread......not the jew/gentile thread....
the 'religion' forum is that a way.....

btw...why do you keep insisting that jews are dirty?
..that is really anti-semitic.
 
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truethat said:
Nope. They are not. Shall we go on for pages?
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Just a note:

While these soldiers are not actively fighting, they can not be considered non-combatants. Hors de combat only extends to soldiers who are disabled, about to surrender, incapable of fighting or who do not wish to continue to do so, etc.

I've never heard of active soldiers referred to as "non-combatants' unless they're a medic or something.
 
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