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Thunder said:
throwing rocks is not terrorism.
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Yes it is. You are splitting hairs

Definition of terrorism

Definitions of terrorism on the Web:

* the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
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ter·ror·ism
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–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.


Eating bananas isn't terrorism either. But if you hold a mother's baby and jam a banana down its throat to kill it by suffocation in order to terrify her and the family to leave a certain part of town for political reasons, then it's terrorism.
 
Race cards. Moral equivalencies. I see the standard playbook is in action. And all of this just to defend some Nazi textbooks.
 
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truethat said:
Yes it is.
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no, it is not.

throwing rocks at invading soldiers who occupy your town, is not terrorism.

I know Israelis love to redefine terrorism, so that pretty much any Palestinian who looks strange at a Jew is a terrorist....but that doesn't make it so.

truethat said:
Eating bananas isn't terrorism either. But if you hold a mother's baby and jam a banana down its throat to kill it by suffocation in order to terrify her and the family to leave a certain part of town for political reasons, then it's terrorism.
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err.....awkwardddddddddddd.
 
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Thunder said:
no, it is not.

throwing rocks at invading soldiers who occupy your town, is not terrorism.

I know Israelis love to redefine terrorism, so that pretty much any Palestinian who looks strange at a Jew is a terrorist....but that doesn't make it so.




err.....awkwardddddddddddd.
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I am not Israeli A. And B throwing rocks at tanks is redefining what throwing rocks at PEOPLE looks like. Throwing rocks at soldiers is redefining what throwing rocks at PEOPLE looks like.
 
truethat said:
I am not Israeli A. And B throwing rocks at tanks is redefining what throwing rocks at PEOPLE looks like. Throwing rocks at soldiers is redefining what throwing rocks at PEOPLE looks like.
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throwing rocks at soldiers is not terrorism.

its not peaceful...but its also not terrorism.
 
why not?

Inciting violence for political purposes is terrorism. Sorry if you disagree but that's what it is.


ETA

Throwing rocks at PEOPLE (not tanks mind you) because you disagree with them being in what you consider your homeland, is terrorism.
 
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again, throwing rocks at on-duty soldiers, who are well-armed, is not terrorism.

its rioting and violent protest, but it is not terrorism.

the right-wing Zionist need to redefine terrorism to include rock throwing against soldiers, is pathetic.


...furthermore, terrorism is directed against a civilian population, not well-armed and well-armored soldiers.



.....and if throwing rocks at an IDF soldiers makes one a terrorist, than perhaps 50% of the Palestinian population are terrorists. is this what you're aiming at?
 
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http://terrorism.about.com/od/whatisterroris1/ss/DefineTerrorism_5.htm

United States Law Code – the law that governs the entire country – contains a definition of terrorism embedded in its requirement that Annual Country reports on Terrorism be submitted by the Secretary of State to Congress every year. (From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)
(d) Definitions
As used in this section—

(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;

(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism#United_States

Title 18 of the United States Code (regarding criminal acts and criminal procedure) defines international terrorism as:
"[T]he term 'international terrorism' means activities that . . . involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; [and] appear to be intended . . . to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; . . . to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or . . . to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and [which] occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum."[51]



USA PATRIOT Act
The USA PATRIOT Act defines terrorism activities as "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state, that (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S."
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Exactly. NON COMBATANT. You make it sound as if the soldiers are shooting at them or driving tanks into their homes.

No, causing an uprising by inciting violence is terrorism. Thanks for providing a link that proves it.

You want to color it as a fatwah and say they are defending their right to their land? Hey that's fine, but it's still terrorism.

Thanks. :D
 
Israel has just passed a law allowing the govt. to strip anyone who is convicted of terrorism, of their citizenship.

Do you really want folks who throw rocks at soldiers, to have their citizenship revoked?

Not just imprisoned and fined, but to actually lose their citizenship???

wow.
 
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Yeah you just said that. What part of "noncombatant" don't you understand?
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hmmm..

are you actually going to suggest that on-duty soldiers, in uniform, doing their official military duties patrolling an occupied area, are NOT combatants?

wow..this means that when the IDF takes on Palestinian protesters who are throwing stones, they are actually fighting against terrorists.

wow. just wow.

your understanding of "terrorism" and "terrorist", is absolute propaganda BS.

and folks wonder why Israel and right-wing Zionism is sooo unpopular throughout the world.

:)
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism#UN_General_Assembly_Resolutions

UN General Assembly Resolutions
On December 17, 1996, the non-binding United Nations Declaration to Supplement the 1994 Declaration on Measures to Eliminate International Terrorism, annexed to the UN General Assembly Resolution 51/210, condemned terrorist activities in the following terms:
3. Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them;" [40]





I really do not care what right-wing Zionist propaganda says. Targeting on-duty military personnel, in a military setting, is an act of war, NOT terrorism.

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Virus said:
You calling avoidance of facts irony, is irony.
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not believing racist lies and Neo-Zionist propaganda, is not avoidance of facts.

its having better things to do than to accept lies.


now....why do you hate Palestinians and Arabs?
 
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