Bill Ayers admits he wrote "Dreams From My Father"

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But isn't this a long-standing tradition for future presidents...like J.F.K.'s ghost-written "Profiles in Courage"?

And besides, it's not the president's job to write. The president's job is to read from the teleprompter.
 
hgc said:
Then what are you grinnin' about?
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I'm LOLin' at you folks. At you having believed Obama wrote that book when it's so stylistically unlike anything else he ever wrote but so stylistically like material that Ayers wrote in the past. Put two and two together hgc. :D
 
BeAChooser said:
I'm LOLin' at you folks. At you having believed Obama wrote that book when it's so stylistically unlike anything else he ever wrote but so stylistically like material that Ayers wrote in the past. Put two and two together hgc. :D
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You put two and two together and got 57, because that was the number you needed.

BTW: Please point out the style that is so different. No googling!
 
BeAChooser said:
I'm LOLin' at you folks. At you having believed Obama wrote that book when it's so stylistically unlike anything else he ever wrote but so stylistically like material that Ayers wrote in the past. Put two and two together hgc. :D
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So, you've read this book and other things Obama wrote? And you've read other stuff by Ayers? Is that how you put two and two together? Tell the truth.
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BeAChooser said:
Clearly you didn't watch the linked videoclip before saying that. Which makes you a what? :D
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You clearly didn't watch the linked videoclip before starting the thread. What does Ayres say after to "admiting" to writing the book?


eta: meh. Nevermind. This tread is like the Emporer's New Clothes, except that no one has any problem telling BAC he missed the obvious and BAC refuses accept the obvious when it is told to him.

Okay, it's not like that at all, but still a waste of time.
 
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Ayers was clearly joking. He let the audience laugh away. And of course he first says, "yes, its a great book".

he was joking. and this thread is a lie.
 
Bill Ayers admits he wrote "Dreams From My Father"
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Hey, BeAChooser,

No, no he didn't.

Try watching that video again, but this time without your political blinders on and with your humour gene engaged.
 
LashL said:
Hey, BeAChooser,

No, no he didn't.

Try watching that video again, but this time without your political blinders on and with your humour gene engaged.
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Oh boy, another JREF administrator decides to take part in this thread.

From the video …

Question: Time magazine columnist Joe Klein wrote that President Obama's book, "Dreams from My Father," quote: "may be the best written memoir ever produced by an American politician."

Ayers: I agree with that.

Question: What is your opinion of Barack Obama's style as a writer and uh …

Ayers: I think the book is very good, the second book ["The Audacity of Hope"] is more of a political hack book, but uh, the first book is quite good.

Question: Also, you just mentioned the Pentagon and Tomahawk …

Ayers: Did you know that I wrote it, incidentally?

Question: What's that?

Ayers: I wrote that Dreams book.

Audience members: Yeah, we know that.

Question: You wrote that?

Ayers: Yeah, yeah. And if you help me prove it, I’ll split the royalties with you.
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Now if you think, looking at his expression as he says he wrote the book, that he's joking, you're deluded. He says that in all seriousness. Sure, he tries to make light of it after the fact, but sometimes people do that when, like someone noted in the YouTube comments "they desperately want to reveal a secret that is eating away at them." And it must really be eating at him now that Obama has dumped under the bus and isn't doing what he wanted in Iraq (notice that he gave that answer in response to a question about Obama's Iraq policy). Maybe he was sending Obama a message?

And do you know this isn't the first time Ayers made the statement that he wrote the book. Cashill, in his book, reported two previous instances where Ayers acknowledged that he wrote the Dreams book. Tell me … have you read Cashill's book "Deconstructing Obama: The Life, Love and Letters of America's First Post-Modern President"? He gives a very detailed analysis of the book and it's style and gives numerous reasons why it's unlikely Obama wrote it and how it bears a striking resemblance to other things that Ayers has written. And so far, your side of this issue has simply ignored those specific reasons.

And Cashill's not the only one to note these similiarities. According to Christopher Anderson, in his 2009 book, "Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage," much of Dreams "language, oddly specific references, literary devices, and themes" "bear a jarring similarity to Ayers' own writings." Here: http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2...e-did-barack-obama-write-dreams-of-my-father/ . And he wrote that with the deadline pressing, Michelle Obama recommended to Barack that he get help from Bill Ayers. That “oral histories, along with a partial manuscript and a truckload of notes, were given to Ayers.” :D
 
BeAChooser said:
Oh boy, another JREF administrator decides to take part in this thread.

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Now if you think, looking at his expression as he says he wrote the book, that he's joking, you're deluded. He says that in all seriousness. Sure, he tries to make light of it after the fact, but sometimes people do that when, like someone noted in the YouTube comments "they desperately want to reveal a secret that is eating away at them." And it must really be eating at him now that Obama has dumped under the bus and isn't doing what he wanted in Iraq (notice that he gave that answer in response to a question about Obama's Iraq policy). Maybe he was sending Obama a message?

And do you know this isn't the first time Ayers made the statement that he wrote the book. Cashill, in his book, reported two previous instances where Ayers acknowledged that he wrote the Dreams book. Tell me … have you read Cashill's book "Deconstructing Obama: The Life, Love and Letters of America's First Post-Modern President"? He gives a very detailed analysis of the book and it's style and gives numerous reasons why it's unlikely Obama wrote it and how it bears a striking resemblance to other things that Ayers has written. And so far, your side of this issue has simply ignored those specific reasons.

And Cashill's not the only one to note these similiarities. According to Christopher Anderson, in his 2009 book, "Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage," much of Dreams "language, oddly specific references, literary devices, and themes" "bear a jarring similarity to Ayers' own writings." Here: http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2...e-did-barack-obama-write-dreams-of-my-father/ . And he wrote that with the deadline pressing, Michelle Obama recommended to Barack that he get help from Bill Ayers. That “oral histories, along with a partial manuscript and a truckload of notes, were given to Ayers.” :D
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No, he was joking.
 
What a false outrage. If people would actually read the book, they'd see the letter at the end written to the most awesomely bearded ghost of Karl Marx.
 
BeAChooser said:
Oh boy, another JREF administrator decides to take part in this thread.

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Now if you think, looking at his expression as he says he wrote the book, that he's joking, you're deluded. He says that in all seriousness.
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It's called "deadpan". You're supposed to look like you're serious so that you bring them further in before dropping the punchline, which he did.

He was joking. <snip>

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BeAChooser said:
Cashill, in his book, reported two previous instances where Ayers acknowledged that he wrote the Dreams book. Tell me … have you read Cashill's book "Deconstructing Obama: The Life, Love and Letters of America's First Post-Modern President"? He gives a very detailed analysis of the book and it's style and gives numerous reasons why it's unlikely Obama wrote it and how it bears a striking resemblance to other things that Ayers has written. And so far, your side of this issue has simply ignored those specific reasons.
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According to the Amazon reviews of that same book, Cashill also makes a few Birther arguments. If that's the level of fact-checking he does,why should anything else he writes be considered any more credible than that?
 
Upchurch said:
Didja notice that article was from a sight called "American Thinker"? Now, that's irony.
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American StinkerThinker do like their Obama-bashing though.

"Please consider the validity of what I am about to say rather than having a knee jerk reaction dismissing it as being "over the top." Folks, we have an irresponsible egocentric evil man occupying the Oval Office. "

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"Fearful of criticizing our first black president, politicians politely say, "President Obama's policies have been unfruitful," while ignoring the huge elephant in America's living room.

The elephant of which I speak and America's major problem is "Obama, the man"; socialist, divisive and evil."
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/obama_calling_tea_party_racist.html

"A substantial portion of Obama's electoral hopes lies in making his opponents seem even more discredited than he is. In a July 2010 CNN poll, birtherism is fully embraced by a paltry 11% of American voters -- as compared to 19% in a 2002 Fox News poll who entertained the possibility that Elvis is still alive. But like 9-11 truthers, the Ron Paul Campaign, and PUMA, birthers are very active on internet comment boards creating the illusion of numbers. The similarity is not coincidental: Birtherism originated with Hillary Clinton's PUMA supporters, and it has been carried forward by well-known 9-11 truthers.

Wingnuts author John Avalon rarely misses an opportunity to marginalize conservatives, but he was forced to admit last February that "the Birthers began on the left." Avalon traces the original August 21, 2008 Phil Berg birther lawsuit to the efforts of Texas Hillary Clinton supporter Linda Starr, described by Avalon as also being "a key source for CBS' discredited election year investigation into George W. Bush's National Guard records that led to Dan Rather's replacement after 24 years as the evening news anchor."
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/hawaiis_governor_manipulates_b.html (completely ignoring that while the PUMA crowd certainly took the birther message to heart, Birtherism did originate on the far right)

"It was highly unusual for girls in the 1950's to have interracial relationships, much less babies, with a man of a difference race. During this time, however, the Communist Party of the United States encouraged women members to use their feminine wiles to entice men, especially black men, into the movement, as well as to reward the ones who joined up. Did Communist brainwashing play some role in Stanley Ann's choice of partners and her subsequent pregnancy?

Davis himself boasted, "The number of white babes interested in at least one meeting with a Negro male has been far more than I can handle." If Frank Marshall Davis were truly Obama's father, was Stanley Ann one of his many conquests?

While there is no way of knowing, there are reasons to be concerned. "
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/stanley_ann_dunham_and_the_lef.html

"On the occasion of his father's death in 1982, lawyers contacted anyone who might have claim to the estate. "Unlike my mum," Obama tells his half-sister Auma in Dreams, "Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was."

Ruth obviously could produce a marriage license and a birth certificate for her son Mark. Ann Dunham apparently could not do the same for her son Barack, at least not one that could tie him to Obama Sr. -- not even with a potential payoff on the table.

The long form birth certificate could pose a number of problems other than country of origin, including the date of Obama's birth, the state of his birth, and the identity of his father. Any one of these revelations could unravel the yarn that Obama has been spinning.

These problems derive from the fact that Ann Dunham enrolled at university on August 19, 1961 and returned to Hawaii only after Obama Sr. had left Hawaii for good. Both of these facts are more firmly established than President Obama's Honolulu birth on August 4, 1961. In my forthcoming book, Deconstructing Obama, I review these possibilities in some detail.

The failure of the mainstream media to even address the inconsistencies in Obama's story is downright shameful. That failure has created a windstorm of curiosity that is becoming increasingly difficult for the media to ignore. The final responsibility for the outburst in Congress last week is theirs."
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/what_obama_has_said_about_his.html

Mods, I don't know the JREF policy on quoting from other sites, so please snip if the length is in violation.
 
"Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but the thing dies in the process and the innards are discouraging to any but the pure scientific mind."
- E B White (with help from Bill Ayers)
 
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KDLarsen said:
Mods, I don't know the JREF policy on quoting from other sites, so please snip if the length is in violation.
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Why don't you simply try to deal with what you can see Ayers actually say in that video and the remarkable similarities in style between Ayers' writings and the Dreams book noted by Cashill and others?

Why don't you deal with the fact that Obama has written nothing before or since Dreams that has that same style?

Seems the only defense you folks have is to move this thread to the CT section and make personal attacks on me.

Oh well. :D
 
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