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American astrologer Predicted Japan Earthquake

Also, we shouldn't necessary describe this particular "success" to astrology, because the blog author claims to be clairvoyant.
 
So astro, going to rebut my great psychic prediction? Much more specific than the person your promoting.
 
Ladewig said:
Here is the January page
http://globalastrologyblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/cardinal-crisis-middle-east-revolts.html
Was that updated after the facts cited on that page?
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That page doesn't seem to mention earthquakes at all, let alone feature the predictions in this thread.

As it is, the entry linked to in the OP comes up as being posted on the 10th March on my computer. Whether it's changed since the thread started or not I can't say. It's certainly not the 4th March as claimed by the OP, which is what the text itself says, but not what the posting date on the blog says.

The earthquake happened at 5.46 GMT. Theodore White gives his location as Philadelphia, putting him 5 hours behind GMT. That means that, if the date on his blog is accurate, he can't have posted these predictions after the fact, as it would have been the 11th for 46 minutes in Philadelphia at the time the earthquake happened.

Not that that really makes much difference, as the predictions are broad enough that it's unsurprising he scored a hit, but I'd say that him hearing about the earthquake and tailoring his predictions to match is unlikely. I don't know how easy it is to post something with a false date on one of these blogs, but I would have thought it would take a bit of effort, at least. And, of course, if the prediction was made after the fact, then we should reasonably expect it to be far more precise.

No, I think what we're dealing with here is a combination of very vague predictions where you can ignore the misses and count the hits and the law of very large numbers - both the large number of predictions made by Mr. White in his massive wall of text, and all those made by the millions of other astrologers who didn't get a hit and so who haven't got a thread about them.

Incidentally, it's probably worth noting that in that blog he mentions the lunar perigrees, and explicitly mentions that seismic activity is something caused by them. He lists the dates, which are dates featured on his prediction list. So the prediction is even less impressive than it was previously. He's not even saying "astrology tells me that seismic activity is probable around this time" he's saying "here is a scientific reason why there will be more earthquakes, but I'll mention the earthquakes again in isolation further down the page in the hope that you'll attribute this to my mystic powers, rather than me just knowing some science about the moon."

Now, as it happens, I'm no expert, but I believe that scientists don't believe that preigrees do have any effect on seismic activity (or, at best, very little), but the point isn't whether Mr. White is correct in his belief that they do or not, it's the fact that he does believe it to be the case and is basing his predictions on that, rather than astrology. It's a new one on me, passing (pseudo)astronomy off as astrology, but I think it's interesting that that's what he seems to be doing.
 
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Ladewig said:
This is way more ridiculous. This astrologer's version of a "psychic" reading would be: Your mother was born in a country where English is spoken. Her name is the same as that of the wife of a U.S. president or a relative of a British monarch.

Does someone want to talk about the logarithmic nature of the earthquake scale in order to explain that while 6.6 to 7.9+ sounds like a very precise "prediction," it in fact covers a ridiculously large range. In fact it is somewhat silly to call it a range because there is a plus sign after the second number. Also a second range is included in the prediction using weasel words: 8.9 to 9.2. In reality, he would have claimed a hit for anything between 6.6 and 9.5. How big is that range?
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6.6 is large enough to cause significant damage ( the minimum is generaly considered to be 6.0) , 7.9 is of course more than 10 times larger, so it is a very general range, covering all the bases like with the geographic "predictions", even without the plus sign.

(psychic) I'm with your mother now, her name starts with an M, I mean an H, sorry, I'm tired, that's an L or a T...

(mark) That's it!

(psychic) She says her name is Tina or Tammy, I mean Trudy or Tory..

(mark) How did you know!

(psychic) She wants me to tell you that she loves you and is proud of you.

(mark, talking to friends later) It was amazing! She knew my mother's name and I didn't tell her! I know it was mom, she talked just like her.

Now if MOM could only tell us an actual date and place for an earthquake.
 
Astro Teacher said:
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Edited for civility.
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I take it that's a "no"?

(ETA: By that I mean whatever response was edited for civility. Presumably, it boiled down to "no")
 
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Marcus said:
6.6 is large enough to cause significant damage ( the minimum is generaly considered to be 6.0) , 7.9 is of course more than 10 times larger, so it is a very general range, covering all the bases like with the geographic "predictions", even without the plus sign.

(psychic) I'm with your mother now, her name starts with an M, I mean an H, sorry, I'm tired, that's an L or a T...

(mark) That's it!

(psychic) She says her name is Tina or Tammy, I mean Trudy or Tory..

(mark) How did you know!

(psychic) She wants me to tell you that she loves you and is proud of you.

(mark, talking to friends later) It was amazing! She knew my mother's name and I didn't tell her! I know it was mom, she talked just like her.

Now if MOM could only tell us an actual date and place for an earthquake.
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Those who have passed beyond the veil never tell us anything useful. Judging by their conversations lobotomies are compulsory on the other side.
 
Astro Teacher said:
astrologer and astrometeorologist Theodore White (...) predicted the date, place and magnitude of the Japan Earthquake before it happened.
(...)
My astrological calculations show a 88.9% rating for significant seismic activity between 6.6 to 7.9+ in magnitude. There are additional planetary configuration signals I've interpreted that show even stronger quakes by scale - 8.9 to 9.2 in magnitude.
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My calculations give a 99% rating (but if this fails, I told you that there is a 1% chance for that to happen) that the correct National Lottery row will soon include numbers 1 - 33, and additional seisimic signs indicate that also numbers 34-48 might be included there.

Astro Teacher said:
Significant Dates

*March 10,11
*March 18,19,20,21
March 28
April 1,2,3
*April 4
*April 6,7
*April 9,10
*April 15
*April 16,17,18
April 24
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My significant dates are every Saturday during this spring season, at 21.00 o´clock on channel 2.

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He says there are more big earthquakes to come in March and April and he gives the regions and magnitudes, including California.
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I say that there will be even more correct lottery rows coming this spring, I can also list all possible regions where this might theoretically happen.

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The sad thing is that when Randi replies in this analogical manner to people about nonsensical predictions, some of them believe that the analogical nonsense reply is a true and miraculous prediction.
 
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Slimething said:
He wrote (evidence exists he did so after the event) that an earthquake withing a certain range would occur on a variety of dates somewhere in the Ring of Fire. That's a correct statement, is it not? If not, where is the factual error? If it is correct, then the "prediction" is nothing more than a guess. (What happened with the tsunami part of it, by the way?)


That's a very good thing for both of us, isn't it? Skeptics don't believe claims without evidence. You've fallen way short of the mark.

What's more telling is that, if astrology held any type of scientific rigor, there would have been a slew of astrologers correctly predicting earthquakes all the time. Not just one. In a poxy-looking weblog. There would be astrological journals where authoritative and skilled practitioners would publish peer-reviewed articles and other experts would chime in with doubt, praise or discussion. There would be, by now, a solid understanding of the mechanims of astrological prediction and a testable method of gleaning increasing levels of detail.

Am I getting through to you? Would this not be the case? Why isn't it? Why do you present such questionable data for your wild claim? Don't you have anything better or more convincing?

Anyway, if you don't care that we don't believe your "evidence", begone. We don't. Deal with it. Come back when you have strong evidence.
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You still cannot read, can you? The astrologer Theodore White gave the dates, regions and magnitudes of earthquakes in March and April.

Wild claims? How is that? He named March 28 too and has given specific dates in April after accurately predicting the March 11 Japan quake.

"During the entire month of March 2011 we can expect to hear of powerful earthquakes along the 'Ring of Fire.'

In March, look first to Asia for seismic action in the northern hemisphere - China and Japan, then to the Philippines, along to the Aleutian Islands, Alaska, to British Columbia, Canada, then to California in the United States, stretching down to Mexico and into South America.

With the global transits at hand, there are sure to be powerful, large magnitude earthquakes in the months of March and April.

My astrological calculations show a 88.9% rating for significant seismic activity between 6.6 to 7.9+ in magnitude.

There are additional planetary configuration signals I've interpreted that show even stronger quakes by scale - 8.9 to 9.2 in magnitude. Some people will not believe me, but transits are well within astrological red-zone warning range.

Significant Dates

*March 10,11
*March 18,19,20,21
March 28
April 1,2,3
*April 4
*April 6,7
*April 9,10
*April 15
*April 16,17,18
April 24

TOKYO, March 28, Kyodo: URGENT: M6.5 quake jolts northeastern Japan, tsunami warning issued

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81381.html

A strong earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.5 jolted northeastern Japan on Monday morning, the Japan Meteorological Agency said.

The agency issued a tsunami warning following the 7:24 a.m. quake.

The quake measured lower 5 on the Japanese seismic intensity scale of 7 in central Miyagi Prefecture, and 4 in several locations in Iwate and Miyagi prefectures, according to the agency.

The areas were severely hit by the catastrophic March 11 quake.

==Kyodo News

Deal with that. Am I getting through to you? Would this not be the case? Why isn't it? Why do you present such unbelief for your wild comments? Don't you have anything better or more convincing than false skepticism?
 
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Astro Teacher said:
You still cannot read, can you? The astrologer Theodore White gave the dates, regions and magnitudes of earthquakes in March and April.
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And, as I demonstrated earlier, of those he predicted he has so far got 1 right and 9 wrong. Not a fantastic hit rate.

TOKYO, March 28, Kyodo: URGENT: M6.5 quake jolts northeastern Japan, tsunami warning issued
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6.5? Theodore White predicted 6.6 or greater so this is another miss, I'm afraid.
 
Astro Teacher said:

My astrological calculations show a 88.9% rating for significant seismic activity between 6.6 to 7.9+ in magnitude.


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http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81381.html
A strong earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.5 jolted northeastern Japan on Monday morning, the Japan Meteorological Agency said.
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Eh...

Anyway, I'm curious... Let's say I ask you to pick a card from a regular deck. Let's say I make the following prediction: "The card you will pick will be a 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, a queen or an ace, and the color will be red", will you be impressed if you draw the 8 of hearts?

If you would be impressed, would the fact that my prediction covered well over 25% of the deck diminish that achievement in your eyes?
 
Astro Teacher said:
Astrologers predict. That astrologer got it right. He also gave the date, place and size of the earthquake and aftershocks. He says California is next and gave dates for those earthquakes too, so we will see. He got the Japan quake right to the day.
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To the day? He gave 7 possible dates in March. If one of them was off by just one day, you would have said he was close enough. So there are about 14 more days that should be included in his "prediction," or 21 in all, or 68% of the possible days.

What kind of "prediction" is it if:
  1. It came after the fact,
  2. It included almost all the days in a month,
  3. It is for the largest seismically active part of the Earth,
  4. It allows for a "large" earthquake anywhere in that zone or near it.

It's a prediction that can never be wrong, just playing the odds. It's a joke to call it a "prediction." Why are you so impressed?
 
If this modern day Nostradamus knew the exact time,date and place of this earthquake,why didn't he give them a warning?
 
Astro Teacher said:
Wrong. No it doesn't. Where is it written any earthquake prediction needs to have only one date? That's a question that needs to be answered.
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If a prediction has only one date, and it doesn't come true, it is wrong. If it has 3 dates, it has 3 times the chance to come true. If it encompasses the entire year, it is nearly 100% sure to be true.

I predict an earthquake on the 7th. Result: no earthquake.
I predict an earthquake on the 9th. Result: no earthquake.
I predict an earthquake on the 11th. Result: no earthquake.
I predict an earthquake on the 13th. Result: no earthquake.
I predict an earthquake on the 15th. Result: EARTHQUAKE!

See, I told you so! I was right! And I predicted the exact day!
 
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Sherman Bay said:
If a prediction has only one date, and it doesn't come true, it is wrong. If it has 3 dates, it has 3 times the chance to come true. If it encompasses the entire year, it is nearly 100% sure to be true.

I predict an earthquake on the 7th. Result: no earthquake.
I predict an earthquake on the 9th. Result: no earthquake.
I predict an earthquake on the 11th. Result: no earthquake.
I predict an earthquake on the 13th. Result: no earthquake.
I predict an earthquake on the 15th. Result: EARTHQUAKE!

See, I told you so! I was right! And I predicted the exact day!
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A five year old child could understand that.
 
Astro Teacher said:
The astrologer Theodore White gave the dates, regions and magnitudes of earthquakes in March and April.
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No. That is simply a lie. He made a wild guess that included almost 60% of an arbitrary time frame, covered an area of over half the world, and included a range of magnitudes that might be expected from two earthquakes every single week. He did not make a prediction. He made a guess. And once more, it is dishonest, a lie, to claim there was anything specific at all about his guess.
 
dafydd said:
If this modern day Nostradamus knew the exact time,date and place of this earthquake,why didn't he give them a warning?
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Because he, like all the other idiots who claim to have magical powers, is a fraud?
 
Astro Teacher said:
You still cannot read, can you? The astrologer Theodore White gave the dates, regions and magnitudes of earthquakes in March and April.
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Excuse my late arrival.
I agree White gave dates (note the plural), regions (note the plural) and magnitudes (note the plural).
I can't see where he predicted the date (note the singular), the region(note the singular) and the magnitude (note the singular) of the Japan earthquake.
 
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