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NASA Engineer (ret.) is a Twoofie?

dadeets said:
Consequently, there is no mechanism by which aircraft parts can pass through the columns, assuming the columns that remained standing were also standing when the alleged aircraft parts came their way.


Well, do say!

How did all of this stuff get there?

[qimg]http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/00Pentdebris.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/070-large.jpg[/qimg]

This isn't a no planer argument, it is a "no plane parts reached the C-Ring wall during an impact into the Pentagon" argument. If plane parts are photographed out side the wall (in A-E Drive), then someone moved them there.


Wait a minute, I'm not following this.

Dadeets, are you saying that a plane actually hit the Pentagon, but then they (whoever that is) not only used serruptitious means to damage other parts of the building but also moved large amounts of plane wreckage from where it was to locations where, according to you, it could not have ended up? For reasons unknown and with nobody noticing, of course.

Is this some sort of psychological stress test?
 
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Is this some sort of psychological stress test?

If it is someone failed! Who? :D:D

What we need about now is Ryan Mackey to summarize Dadeets position on all this stuff similar to the summary he did on CIT awhile back. This one should be just as hilarious. Ryan does it quite well, better than anyone else I've seen.

On the other hand, we could continue this into other areas, shortly to have a best selling......

Joke Book!
 
Well, do say!

How did all of this stuff get there?

[qimg]http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/00Pentdebris.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/070-large.jpg[/qimg]

Well, there is a bobcat sitting right there.
 
How did all of this stuff get there?

[qimg]http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/00Pentdebris.jpg[/qimg]


Well, there is a bobcat sitting right there.

My gosh, the dumb bastards done and went and incriminated themselves! I'll bet that's the same skid loader that Rummy used to load the 2.3 trillion missing DoD $$.

Red has solved the case. Bring on the Keystone cops to arrest the guilty culprits. Case solved and Red is the hero.....:D:D:D:D:D
 
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My gosh, the dumb bastards done and went and incriminated themselves! I'll bet that's the same skid loader that Rummy used to load the 2.3 trillion missing DoD $$.

Red has solved the case. Bring on the Keystone cops to arrest the guilty culprits. Case solved and Red is the hero.....:D:D:D:D:D

Ask a stupid question, get an obvious answer.
 
Ask a stupid question, get an obvious answer.

Stupidly interpret a question, get an even stupider answer.

Red, I think he meant how did the parts of the plane get into the Pentagon in the first place?

Hell, how did the DNA of the passengers of Flight 77 get in the Pentagon?

Thanks for the thread, as soon as your NASA engineer went full No Planer, that is when the LULZ started! I particularly like his new SIX FOOT WIDE COLUMN theory. hee hee.
 
Dwain,

Stick to powerpoint presentations to upper management.

You got no aptitude for real-world engineering.

This analysis is based on the assumption...

Consequently, there is no mechanism by which aircraft parts can pass through the columns, assuming the columns that remained standing were also standing when the alleged aircraft parts came their way.

I wrote out a point-by-point rebuttal to this bunch of silliness.

And then scrapped it. There wasn't anything worthy of serious consideration.

There are, I'm certain, ways to produce simplified, reasonable analyses of the penetrating capacity of the airplane into the Pentagon.

The analyses done by NIST & Purdue for the WTC towers impacts are examples of (not simplified but) competent techniques.

I am absolutely certain that meaningful analyses do not include assumptions that:

... the plane is made up of 0.1" wide swathes of material separated by 6'.
... jets of material that hit surfaces of the columns at about 45 degrees simply stop at that surface.
... "deflected" material loses all of its kinetic energy.
... all the components of an airplane that undergoes massive destruction in a cheese grater coulumn structure continue to travel in perfectly straight lines.

The debris behaves like a wave, Dwain. Not a bunch of indestructible lines at 6' spacing.
 
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This isn't a no planer argument, it is a "no plane parts reached the C-Ring wall during an impact into the Pentagon" argument. If plane parts are photographed out side the wall (in A-E Drive), then someone moved them there.

Wait a minute, I'm not following this.

Dadeets, are you saying that a plane actually hit the Pentagon, but then they (whoever that is) not only used serruptitious means to damage other parts of the building but also moved large amounts of plane wreckage from where it was to locations where, according to you, it could not have ended up? For reasons unknown and with nobody noticing, of course.

Is this some sort of psychological stress test?


Unbecredible.
I thought it was illegal to torture reason.
 
I am absolutely certain that meaningful analyses do not include assumptions that:

... the plane is made up of 0.1" wide swathes of material separated by 6'.

That is not the assumption. A typical swath would be the space between two of these parallel lines. I gave the distance inward the swath could travel the benefit of the doubt, assigning it the distance of the longest of the two lines on either side of the swath. I also observed, but didn't draw out, that if the swathes were 3' wide, the distance inward would not in general increase.

... jets of material that hit surfaces of the columns at about 45 degrees simply stop at that surface.

No, I didn't draw any deflection lines because it would over complicate the illustration. In this case, my assumption is the parts along that swath would deflect away from the "hole" area, and eventually come to rest.

... "deflected" material loses all of its kinetic energy.

No, its kinetic energy would be vectored in a different direction, but no longer toward the "hole" area.

... all the components of an airplane that undergoes massive destruction in a cheese grater coulumn structure continue to travel in perfectly straight lines.

No, I'm assuming other parts that were further forward in the airplane did battle with the cheese grater column structure, and took some of it out. This cleared the way for parts from further aft to sale past the area were the up-front columns were nocked out.


The debris behaves like a wave, Dwain.

To some degree it behaves like a wave, but to another degree, it behaves like individual items. This, I'm assuming, is after individual items have broken away from their mountings. If you believe the Pentagon Building Performance Report on the matter of the FDR, they say it was found just in front of, and to the side of the "Exit" hole. In that case, it would have been an item that traveled through rows of standing columns. I don't believe it traveled that far, as my analysis suggests none of the loose items traveled that far.
 
I don't believe it traveled that far, as my analysis suggests none of the loose items traveled that far.
Your analysis has all the credibility of a chain letter promising a free laptop from Bill Gates if you pass it on.

You know this of course, that's why you don't even try to get your "analysis" published in a real science journal.
 
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... I don't believe it traveled that far, as my analysis suggests none of the loose items traveled that far.
You failed to mention the energy of impact and present differential equation to back up your opinion. Where is your math, where is your physics, where is your proof? Now you know Flight 77 with all souls on board came to end in the Pentagon flown by a terrorist. You are arguing about Flight 77's impact; is this ironic or what? Bet it is, or what.

You will need to run the numbers. When do you think that will be?

RADAR, DNA, FDR, and more proves Flight 77 did the damage to the Pentagon. Got to love the USA, we all have the RADAR data, the FDR data, FDR data raw, and more; Beats being beat up in Libya for reporting on the mess. Why did you turn on your country after working for NASA?
 
You are arguing about Flight 77's impact; is this ironic or what?

My bad. I forgot to say alleged Flight 77 impact.


RADAR, DNA, FDR, and more proves Flight 77 did the damage to the Pentagon. Got to love the USA, we all have the RADAR data, the FDR data, FDR data raw, and more

RADAR: Primary radar doesn't provide sufficient accuracy at that low an altitude.

DNA: Pass

FDR: No information provided connecting it to either Flight 77 or the fleet. Also, the time of day associated with the alleged crash is off by about 6 minutes from a sizable set of independent information indicating a 9:32 AM explosive event.

Why did you turn on your country after working for NASA?

I don't consider pressing for correct facts to be turning on my country. I'm doing it on behalf of the American people.
 
My bad. I forgot to say alleged Flight 77 impact.

RADAR: Primary radar doesn't provide sufficient accuracy at that low an altitude.

DNA: Pass

FDR: No information provided connecting it to either Flight 77 or the fleet. Also, the time of day associated with the alleged crash is off by about 6 minutes from a sizable set of independent information indicating a 9:32 AM explosive event.

I don't consider pressing for correct facts to be turning on my country. I'm doing it on behalf of the American people.
With RADAR and physics, the only place 77 could be is in the Pentagon. You failed to do the math. ... the FDR backs up RADAR, and the DNA from the passengers is exactly where it would be in a kinetic energy impact.

Connecting the dots for Flight 77 is easy, even NASA personnel have done it.

I find it amazing Bigfoot believers have the exact same evidence as 911 truth has. Coincidence or a NWO plot?

FDR is from 77, and you can't prove otherwise as you prop up a failed movement of lies made up by anti-government drugged up kids, CIT. Are you trying to say the NTSB, the military and others faked the FDR? lied? What do your NASA buddies say about your anti-government ideas on 911?

Do you intentionally spread false information and bring shame on NASA? What is your goal? Did you have these crazy claims while you were working at NASA?

Where is the math to support your claims? What is your next step to expose what would be a giant Pulitzer Prize story?
 
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My bad. I forgot to say alleged Flight 77 impact.

RADAR: Primary radar doesn't provide sufficient accuracy at that low an altitude.

DNA: Pass

FDR: No information provided connecting it to either Flight 77 or the fleet. Also, the time of day associated with the alleged crash is off by about 6 minutes from a sizable set of independent information indicating a 9:32 AM explosive event.

I don't consider pressing for correct facts to be turning on my country. I'm doing it on behalf of the American people.

DNA PASS? Are you serious? As pathetic as you dodging has been in this thread, and ignoring the fact that you have adopted at least three directly contradictory theories, you refuse to address the DNA evidence,yet claim that you are "doing it for the America people"?

Certainly not doing it on behalf of the passengers on flight 77, huh Dwain?
 
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... the FDR backs up RADAR, and the DNA from the passengers is exactly where it would be in a kinetic energy impact.

The FDR should not be used to back up RADAR because the FDR is not reliable. Period.

RE: The DNA -- "FBI agents rode in the trucks, participating in the escort, and accompanied the remains during the flight to protect the chain of custody." (In reference to the helicopter flight with the victims remains from Davison Army Airfield to Dover -- After-Action Report on the Response to September 11 Attack on the Pentagon, C-45).

This is the FBI associated with the PENTTBOM case. FBI personnel associated with the PENTTBOM also testified at the Zacarias Moussaoui Trial that the only call made by Barbara Olson on Flight 77 lasted ZERO seconds. This demonstrates the FBI associated with the PENTTBOM case have been willing to withhold from the public information unfavorable to the Official Story until they are placed in the position of having to testify under oath. It's only prudent to assume the FBI may not have been trustworthy in their task of protecting the chain of custody during that flight to Dover.
 
The FDR should not be used to back up RADAR because the FDR is not reliable. Period.

RE: The DNA -- "FBI agents rode in the trucks, participating in the escort, and accompanied the remains during the flight to protect the chain of custody." (In reference to the helicopter flight with the victims remains from Davison Army Airfield to Dover -- After-Action Report on the Response to September 11 Attack on the Pentagon, C-45).

This is the FBI associated with the PENTTBOM case. FBI personnel associated with the PENTTBOM also testified at the Zacarias Moussaoui Trial that the only call made by Barbara Olson on Flight 77 lasted ZERO seconds. This demonstrates the FBI associated with the PENTTBOM case have been willing to withhold from the public information unfavorable to the Official Story until they are placed in the position of having to testify under oath. It's only prudent to assume the FBI may not have been trustworthy in their task of protecting the chain of custody during that flight to Dover.
Wouldn't that be the only cell phone call she made?


:rolleyes:
 
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The FDR should not be used to back up RADAR because the FDR is not reliable. Period.

RE: The DNA -- "FBI agents rode in the trucks, participating in the escort, and accompanied the remains during the flight to protect the chain of custody." (In reference to the helicopter flight with the victims remains from Davison Army Airfield to Dover -- After-Action Report on the Response to September 11 Attack on the Pentagon, C-45).

This is the FBI associated with the PENTTBOM case. FBI personnel associated with the PENTTBOM also testified at the Zacarias Moussaoui Trial that the only call made by Barbara Olson on Flight 77 lasted ZERO seconds. This demonstrates the FBI associated with the PENTTBOM case have been willing to withhold from the public information unfavorable to the Official Story until they are placed in the position of having to testify under oath. It's only prudent to assume the FBI may not have been trustworthy in their task of protecting the chain of custody during that flight to Dover.

Ahhh, I see, you are doing it for the American Public, and the "it" I assume is proving that the truth movement is loaded with incompetents.
 

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