Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[George 152]

You are wrong, I never used my qualifications to support my claims..

Your 'qualifications' will be ever grateful to you for that small mercy....
You are in error. Every claim you have made contains errors

 

[mehmetin]

Okay, I get it.
You lied.
You are not a scientist at all.
May Allah have mercy on you, the serial liar.

My qualifications are known since longtime on the net. I told what I have to tell about them. If you want to claim that I lied, you should give evidence to support your accusation. Without that, you are the dishonest and the liar.

I am more quite before Allah than you are before God or Yahweh or ...

 

[mehmetin]

=mehmetin;7012019]Even if the odds of an mid air collision are tiny, they can not dare to risk such possibility and the ymust check that the plane is flying in the right direction toward their target and they must be sure that nothing will disrupt the plot.

so how does remote control do that any better than a half decent automated system?

I did not tell the planes fly on remote control. The team should follow the plane up to near its target to be sure everything will be OK. That's important, especially in the first aircraft.

Why? that make no sense at all Please link to source for that info.

You just need to study PID regulation loops which are the only system used in automatic gudance systems.

 

[mehmetin]

So you can't say they were not Muslims can you?

Tou can't say they are Muslims too! I did not bring that subject here. Some other people broyght it. I just told you can not be sure they are Muslims, even if all the decor is pointing to Muslims. But such decors are specially placed there like in a movie. So it can also be wrong.

and I never said that Westerners are incapable of killing for pleasure so what is point of your link.
We are all human beings equally capable of great good and great evil.

Islam teach Muslims not to make bad action in our own interest. As conclusion, the evil doing of Muslims is limited.

By reverse, in USA culture, you are told to get pleasure and you are told to kill people. And people do both. It's so simple.

 

[mehmetin]

Originally Posted by mehmetin
Yes it happened in such impossible succession and nobody explained it yet. So the question is still open: How and Why 4 different teams successded to make 4 successive hijacks?

We have repeatedly explained it, you just choose to ignore a very reasonable explanation.

You are simply repeating the same Texas sharpshooter fallacy.

None of your explanations was reasonable. And the question is still open. If you think there is one rasonable, feel free to bring it here, I will study your argument.

 

[Jackanory]

You know... In "defense" of mehmetin, I have to point out an observation of mine: I see a lot of people here who seem to be confused about his "succession" argument; they're arguing the single point about the timing of the hijackings, but I'm not sure that's the whole argument.

I think mehmetin's argument is not simply that the planes were hijacked in succession, but that everything else also happened in succession; the first plane to take off was the first plane to be hijacked was the first plane to crash, the second plane to take off was the second plane to be hijacked was the second plane to crash, etc.

The only part of that which is even remotely interesting is the last leg; hijacking to crash. The major factor being the distance between the point of hijacking and the target. Even then, the succession of the crashes can be reasonably explained by the succession of the hijackings, which is itself adequately explained by the succession of the take-offs and is not much of an issue at all.

So, even though I think his entire argument still amounts to nothing, it looks to me as if more than few of his opposition are ignoring parts of it. It seems that mehmetin himself hasn't even caught on to that. Oh well...

No confusion about his 'succession' argument whatsoever.

My observation is far simpler...............Mehmet has banged on and on and on about how it is impossible for 'Muslim' terrorists to plan and co ordinate such things to happen in 'succession' but proffers and argues that 'Jewish' terrorists can plan and co ordinate such things to happen. 'Succession can happen with one group but not the other' because 'the Jews did it because of asbestos and Muslims are incapable'. Nothing confusing in that arguement, just dumb.

Mehmet is so far down the rabbit hole that he simply can't comprehend that he is actually proving an issue in his attempt at disproving an issue. That is the be all and end all of this thread. Everything else is mute.

An entertaining liar at best but confusing nobody.

 

[mehmetin]

Mehmetin are you kidding me? The question is still open? Really? You STILL, after been given many, many rational and patient responses as to why your "4 successive hijacks" means NOTHING, think it holds some kind of significance? How could 4 hijacks on 4 different planes NOT be successive? Would you prefer they be simultaneous? How would the hijacks have been performed in order to make you NOT suspicious?

I'm beginning to think you are just sticking your fingers in your ears humming "Muslims are perfect" and not listing to a word anybody else says.

I kidding nobody! I am 100% sincere and honest. The question is still open! There is no other reasonable explanation to HOW and WHY 4 different teams planned and succeeded to make 4 successive hijacks?

The reasonable time graphic could be like that one. You can see that they could have finished at about 9:12.

And this is the actual graphic. As you know, they finished at 10:06, too much later than if there were 4 teams.

 

[Jackanory]

None of your explanations was reasonable. And the question is still open. If you think there is one rasonable, feel free to bring it here, I will study your argument.

Still waiting for you to discuss your 2,000+ planted explosive charges and detonation sequence bollox. Pose...........pause...........ignore........change topic.........no clue. lol.

 

[Jackanory]

I kidding nobody! I am 100% sincere and honest. The question is still open! There is no other reasonable explanation to HOW and WHY 4 different teams planned and succeeded to make 4 successive hijacks?

The reasonable time graphic could be like that one. You can see that they could have finished at about 9:12. [qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Timeline4teams911.jpg[/qimg]

And this is the actual graphic. As you know, they finished at 10:06, too much later than if there were 4 teams.
[qimg]http://www.peace911.org/Timeline911.jpg[/qimg]

Yet you prove it can be done by finding some Jews who can do that very thing! Amazing. lol.

 

[EventHorizon]

My qualifications are known since longtime on the net. I told what I have to tell about them. If you want to claim that I lied, you should give evidence to support your accusation. Without that, you are the dishonest and the liar.

I am more quite before Allah than you are before God or Yahweh or ...

So you have no qualifications. Got it. And a number of us here don't believe in God or Allah or Yahweh because we are rational thinking adults who outgrew fairy tales and imaginary creatures when we were children.

Islam teach Muslims not to make bad action in our own interest. As conclusion, the evil doing of Muslims is limited.

Do you think all Muslims follow the teachings of Islam exactly as they are supposed to? Are you really that ignorant?

By reverse, in USA culture, you are told to get pleasure and you are told to kill people. And people do both. It's so simple.

Oh. You are that ignorant. And a bigot as well. I'd ask you for evidence of these claims but I know you won't post any not only because you can't but also because you don't want to. But all of this religion and culture stuff is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand anyway.

None of your explanations was reasonable. And the question is still open. If you think there is one rasonable, feel free to bring it here, I will study your argument.

In your opinion none of the explanations were reasonable. You see you have to explain WHY they are not reasonable. But you can't because you know they are perfectly reasonable. Just another thing in your LOOOONG list of lies.

 

[mehmetin]

Whatever, Mehmet. All very unimpressive behaviour, though.

As to your claims and their support by logic and science, this thread stands as a testament to the quality of your argument and the consensus is rather against you. Why not get those guys who agreed with you to back you up and provide some new perspective on your claims?

The consensus here is meaningless. We are on a Jew based forum, and I am the only Muslim who dares to speak about the attacks of 9/11. As those attacks are made by mostly Jew people, sure there will be no consensus on my arguments, I know that.

Also, the number of people supporting any argument is never a proof that the argument is true. Some times, there should be ONE people who tell the truth to make the truth prevail. I do not expect the truth will be supported here, and on any Jew based forum.

You are the one making the astounding claims, while I'm just some guy on the Internet. I prefer to keep a degree anonymity and so I declined your initial request to disclose information that is not relevant to the discussion. I will tell you this for free though, I become intransigent to even reasonable requests when expressed as a demand. I have nothing more to say on this.

Telling if you are Turkish or not do change almost nothing to the fact; you clearly noticed that you live in Turkey. Why not tell if you are Turkish? Does that give your identity? Not at all. By the same, you know my true name, and surname, my living country, my origin country. If you compare the honesty level, as you can see I am too much more honest than you. And I bore the opposition of almost the totality of the members here!

Let me tell you: You are not permitted to tell that you live in Turkey, and make people think that they are conversing with a Turkish people, while you are not Turkish. Such behavior is dishonest. That means, you should tell what nationality is.

 

[mehmetin]

Impossible succession? Man, I just don't get you.

2 aircraft were hijacked from each airport. They knew how to do it. They KNEW that hijackers don't fly planes into buildings. This is why we responded the way we did. They had the element of surprise. If they can hijack one, multiple 'teams' can hijack multiple aircraft. Please explain why you think this is seemingly impossible, because I sure as hell can't see it.

WHY?
Because THEY DON'T LIKE US. Why would you need it explained further? But just for funny-ha ha's, I will.

The timing needed to be close (it was FAR, FAR from precise) so that
A) The shock value would be increased. Every camera in the city of NY was on the north tower, then the second tower was hit on live tv with millions of people watching.

B) They left no time for a response from the military. If you hijacked two airplanes at 8:00am, by 10:00am every airplane in the sky would have known about it and adjusted accordingly. After striking their targets, what happened? FAA Orders an immediate grounding of EVERY aircraft in the sky. This would have included 2 aircraft which wouldn't have been hijacked yet, rendering them useless to the hijackers.

get it?

no, of course you don't. Common Sense isn't in your bag o' tricks.

The surprise effect should be stronger if they acted independently from ech other; they could finish their job at about 9:12, about 1 hour before! Why not make such independent work? There is no reason, except that the actual events were made by using high-tech and automated on board control by one team operating from outside.

 

[Jackanory]

I do not expect the truth will be supported here, and on any Jew based forum.

Yet here you are trolling with the jews. lol.

 

[mehmetin]

Actually, the risk of a mid-air collision was high, and if it weren’t for the actions of a few ATC controllers, it very well could have happened.


What the hell is “autonomous fly”. No wonder I didn’t get hired by United.
Autonomous flying aircraft do not carry a crew, passengers, or any money making payload. The altitude record for autonomous flying aircraft is held by a group of Stanford University students at a little over 7000 ft.

By "outonomous fly" I mean the aircraft controls it's direction itself without any human intervention. That is like a tomahawk missile that finds its target without external intervention.

 

[Jackanory]

The surprise effect should be stronger if they acted independently from ech other; they could finish their job at about 9:12, about 1 hour before! Why not make such independent work? There is no reason, except that the actual events were made by using high-tech and automated on board control by one team operating from outside.

Your jewish fantasy could have involved 4 jewish teams operating from outside. Everything would still have happened in 'succession' and you would still be clueless on what you think it is you are proving.

 

[mysteronyx]

mehmetin,

How do we know that you aren't one of the living hijackers?

 

[mehmetin]

Perhaps you missed this explanation:

Originally Posted by A Laughing Baby
Here's a realistic one: the hijackers coordinated so that they'd have a window to hijack in, and by coincidence, their hijackings happened successively within that window.

They can not be sure that other teams even succeeded to be on board of the planes. So they can not preview any coordination between the planes. All planes should have acted independently from others. But the actual times shows they did not. So, there was a coordination, and according to all considered scenarios, the only one which fully consistent is the "ONE team made operation using high tech tool like tomahawk control systems".

 

[mehmetin]

by pointing out the FACT that, in the described situation, anything other than complete randomness is impossible—absolutely impossible.

Your english is a little bit complex for me, also true for otehr posts here up.

For what I understand: In the case of four teams, each on board of each plane, the only possible work is a random fly of each plane independently from other. That did not happen! So, this is not consistent with the official claim of four teams.

 

[Jackanory]

They can not be sure that other teams even succeeded to be on board of the planes. So they can not preview any coordination between the planes. All planes should have acted independently from others. But the actual times shows they did not. So, there was a coordination, and according to all considered scenarios, the only one which fully consistent is the "ONE team made operation using high tech tool like tomahawk control systems".

Like the one you designed. lol. You sharpened that shovel. Cool. Keep digging.

Regular routine of independant scheduled take off, independant scheduled flight paths and independant scheduled landings..............but none acted independantly? Maroon!

 

[W.D.Clinger]

mehmetin,

How do we know that you aren't one of the living hijackers?

I'd be surprised if mehmetin could explain how we know he isn't one of the dead hijackers.