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Merged nuclear power safe?

r-j

Suppose that 100 curies of I-131 are released today. How much of that will still be around 1 year from now?

2 years?

Suppose I shoot a bullet today. How fast will it be flying 1 day from now?

1 week?

By the sound of this it's ok to open fire at will. Unless of course someone is unlucky enough to be in the bullet's path in the few milliseconds after its fired.

Same applies to Iodine ingestion.

Suppose I drop napalm today. How strong will it be burning 1 day from now?

1 week?


By the sound of this it's ok to drop napalm at will. Unless of course someone is unlucky enough to be under the napalm spill.

Same applies to Iodine ingestion.
 
The easy answer to the Iodine question is how long before half of it will be left?
 
It says they have six legs!

Despite Mutations, Chernobyl Wildlife Is Thriving
 
Suppose I shoot a bullet today. How fast will it be flying 1 day from now?

1 week?

By the sound of this it's ok to open fire at will. Unless of course someone is unlucky enough to be in the bullet's path in the few milliseconds after its fired.

Same applies to Iodine ingestion.

Suppose I drop napalm today. How strong will it be burning 1 day from now?

1 week?


By the sound of this it's ok to drop napalm at will. Unless of course someone is unlucky enough to be under the napalm spill.

Same applies to Iodine ingestion.

Please do not try to twist what I said into implying that iodine-131 ingestion is not dangerous.

My point was that it is not long lasting as the troll implied.
 
Yes, my bad for not being more precise.

Still, they usually don't build stuff to withstand meteors, either. Perhaps TEPCO was complacent in wishing to maintain the plant longer than they should've, but if you build for 9.5 and a 9.8 happens, were you lacking in foresight ?

If a meteor hits we're all goners anyway.
 
Yes there can be.

Aren't you the one who said that 5500km is "right next door", or something ? Rational, for sure. :rolleyes:

Just as long as you don't come with nonsense about Chile and Japan. As they are both on fault lines.

Yeah, and people in Saguenay should build to the same specifications because they also have earthquakes once in a blue moon and you never know when a 9.5 could hit !!

So if you see a 9.5 in Chile you can expect a 9.5 in Japan because they're both on similar ground.

This is why I keep saying you're not being entirely reasonable. If a 9.8 hits Chile tomorrow, should Japan _again_ update all of their plants to match this new maximum ? You are ignoring real issues and this is not rational.
 
Suppose I shoot a bullet today. How fast will it be flying 1 day from now?

1 week?

By the sound of this it's ok to open fire at will. Unless of course someone is unlucky enough to be in the bullet's path in the few milliseconds after its fired.

Comparing apples to tow trucks is very reasonable, too.
 
r-j

Suppose that 100 curies of I-131 are released today. How much of that will still be around 1 year from now?

2 years?

The article said around 1800000000000000000 becquerels of radioactive iodine has been released so far from FDNPP. How much is that in curies? Or in Sievert? Or even rems? And how much will there be in a year?

Or even better, if the current rate of release continues, ( 1.2 to 1.3 × 1017 becquerels per day) how much will there be in a year?

It's really not that difficult, I don't know why you're haing a problem with this.

Well, why don't you answer the question then? Please don't try to avoid just doing the conversion. After all, you also said.

Oh noes!!! I can't handle the concept of unit conversion!!!!

Show us all how easy it is. Then also convert the other figure, 5 × 1015 becquerels of caesium-137 per day to standard units.
 
The article said around 1800000000000000000 becquerels of radioactive iodine has been released so far from FDNPP. How much is that in curies?

http://www.onlineconversion.com/radiation_activity.htm

Or in Sievert? Or even rems?

those are dose or exposure units, which are not the same as curies or becquerels which are quantitative measures of radioactive material.

For the same quantity in curies you can have different exposures in rems or sieverts depending on other factors.

but you knew this already, so why did you ask?
 
No I don't know any of that! If I did I would be posting it and making myself seem smart like you. Or that other guy who acts really smart.

So there is no way to convert the amount released into any meaningful figure to evaluate the risk factors?
 
OK thanks to the online converter I now know the amount of radioactive iodine released so far is 48648648.649 curie. So how much will be left after a year?

Or the more important question. If the amount released continues, how long before the amount that shows up in the central valley will reach a level where you can't legally sell produce?
 
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Now that the western world is analyzing the radioactive particles with modern equipment and methods, we know a lot abut both what and now much material is being released from the stricken reactors and burning or boiling fuel ponds.

We actually know more from labs analyzing the air in Berkeley than we do from Japan.

It would seem that "how many died" is the only thing considered when discussing nuclear power plants and safety. That is ridiculous. Especially to a farmer or somebody with a herd of milk cattle.

The economics is far more important to most people. Especially if you live far away from the plant.

"How many people die in coal mines?" Most people would be like, "Who cares?" Insurance pays the miners families, the insurance company doesn't go under from a mine accident. Neither does the power company. And you don't have to evacuate a quarter million people either.

Coal mining destroys mountains, pollutes the water! So? That is nothing compared to the damage just one nuclear power plant can do in a day.

"How many in oil refinery accidents?"

Again, even a huge oil refinery disaster doesn't risk an entire state, or a quarter of a country. Or the world.

"How many people die from lung cancer caused by coil and oil soot?" Now that is closer to a real issue, but again, by only focusing on deaths, rather economics, you are trying to frame the discussion in an unrealistic way. The risk is spread out, and cancer also is an economic boon to most countries, cancer doesn't destroy the ability for farmers to live, for people to eat, for the economy to continue on.

"How many people died in 3 mile island?"

Now that is pure straw man at this point. You might as well ask how many people died from an explosion at a fertilizer plant. What does that have to do with the risks of a nuclear disaster?

But the economics of TMI, that is worth looking at. How much money did that cost the company? Did they go bankrupt? How long did the clean up take? Did they even finish removing all the dangerous radioactive material from the plant? (the answer is no)

How did that effect other business? Other plants being built? The money aspect is often more important than how many will die. Insurance companies know they will have to pay out for deaths, it's part of the world of business. If there is a chance they will have to pay out for poisoning an entire state with radiation, well, is that a good risk? Even if it might not happen for 30 years?

"How many from Chernobyl?"

That figure is contested, but it wasn't just deaths. The people that lost everything, the loss of cropland, the river polluted, the whole disaster there was very expensive.

Looking at deaths is a terrible way to figure risks. If your chance of death is the only thing you care about, the whole thing is just so lopsided.
 
r-j, you do realise that most of the questions you are asking can be answered with a few seconds of googling?

You're beginning to sound like the little prat in the movie theatre who spends all his time doing anything but watch the movie and then wonders why people get upset when he asks someone to explain the plot to him.
 
I have a Nuclear Power plant <30 miles due upwind of my house. (Prevailing winds from the South in these here parts)
I am not now, nor have I ever been, concerned about it.
 

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