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Vegetarianism

seayakin said:
if it had a face she didn't eat it. .
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To my mind, this is one of the weakest components of the paradigm. Having a "face" is so arbitrary as to be worthless.

Does a squid have a face?
What about an oyster?
What about a worm?

I think they mean that they don't eat vertebrates. I still disagree with the logic, but that is a less nebulous criteria.
 
Mr. Purple said:
To my mind, this is one of the weakest components of the paradigm. Having a "face" is so arbitrary as to be worthless.

Does a squid have a face?
What about an oyster?
What about a worm?

I think they mean that they don't eat vertebrates. I still disagree with the logic, but that is a less nebulous criteria.
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No eating cute animals!
 
seayakin said:
Have any of you run into people who call themselves vegetarian but eat fish and/or chicken.
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No ... but I find it interesting that some foods that are non-meat are made to look and taste like meat, like burger patties for example. Now, I understand that some people have medical reasons for getting these --- but why would vegetarians buy such? (Unless of course, their subconscious is saying "Eat some Meat".)
 
All these centuries of evolution, and these veggies want to turn back the clock! I mean, what a waste of canine teeth :D
 
Just thinking said:
No ... but I find it interesting that some foods that are non-meat are made to look and taste like meat, like burger patties for example. Now, I understand that some people have medical reasons for getting these --- but why would vegetarians buy such? (Unless of course, their subconscious is saying "Eat some Meat".)
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On what basis do you think that vegetarians, particularly those who chose to do so for health or ethical reasons (the vast majority I expect) would no longer enjoy or desire the taste of meat?
 
I was lacto-ovo vegetarian for six years and I still will usually pick the vegetarian option when eating out, mostly because it is often very nice. It doesn't really annoy me when people mis-label themselves like that, because what's the worst that can happen?

What I didn't like back when, however, was the sanctimonious asshats who became vegetarian just so they could preach to others. They were the ones who made it awkward to be vegetarian because whenever the issue came up, like eating out with new people for the first time, or being invited to dinner, or inviting someone to dinner, there would be this awkward moment when I could almost hear the other person thinking "Oh, god, now she'd judging me for eating meat!"

And there is NO way of saying "Oh, it's just my personal choice, I think everyone should eat how they are comfortable!" without worrying if you are sounding like a condescending twat.

That would not have been a problem, had it not been for those pricks who would use their vegetarianism as a holier-than-thou-mallet. If they had just shut their faces and let people make their own minds up, no one would have gotten defiant and wanted to discuss eating choices the entire party. (A subject I was thoroughly bored with. I just wanted to eat what I ate and get on with it.)

So screw labelling vegetarians from which food groups they include or exclude. What I want to know when asking what sort of vegetarian someone is, I don't want to know if they eat dairy, I want to know if they:

  1. A personal choice vegetarian - because I want to. You have what you like.
  2. Health vegetarian - because I believe it is healthier for me. You eat what you like.
  3. Eco vegetarian - because I believe meat rearing takes a hard toll on the environment. You eat meat if you want to, but may I suggest cutting down a little, and maybe choose grass fed from smaller holdings?
  4. Teenage vegetarian - DO YOU HAVE TO BREATHE SO LOUD! GAWD NO ONE ELSE'S PARENTS ARE THIS LAME. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME! I REJECT YOUR FAMILY DINNERS AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR! I'M GOING OUT NOW!
  5. Condescending vegetarian - because I have reached a higher plane in human evolution. You eat what you like. Sapiens.
  6. Tripping vegetarian - because the Twinkie said cows have such sad eyes. You eat what you like. Are you gonna eat that jello, though?
  7. Holier than *********** thou vegetarian - because im so speshul and ur not lol cos i dont want anything to die to feed me lol
  8. PETA-psycho vegetarian - I'm releasing this box of starving crazed weasels as a symbol of the truck I would be burning if I was only allowed to buy matches! YOU KILLED MISERY!!!! MOOOOOOH!
  9. Hiding an eating disorder vegetarian - Oh, I'm sorry, I can't eat that. I forgot to say, I'm vegetarian. Not your fault at all, just me being ditzy! You go ahead and eat. No, I mean it. You eat. I'll have something later. You just put that fork... in... your... mouth... and eat for me. What? I'm staring? Sorry, I was thinking of something else. Silly me. You go ahead and eat.

That's what I wanna know. Whether you eat whelks or not... well, tell me if I'm ever expected to cook you a meal. Otherwise I don't care.
 
Just thinking said:
No ... but I find it interesting that some foods that are non-meat are made to look and taste like meat, like burger patties for example. Now, I understand that some people have medical reasons for getting these --- but why would vegetarians buy such? (Unless of course, their subconscious is saying "Eat some Meat".)
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I think you'll find that most vegetarians didn't make the switch because they believe meat looks unethical...
 
Mobyseven said:
I think you'll find that most vegetarians didn't make the switch because they believe meat looks unethical...
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All of the ones I know, or have met, in the hundreds, did. With the exception of like three. Maybe they're just the loudest, but what you said doesn't wash with my personal experiences. Any citation to go with yours?
 
Dog Town said:
All of the ones I know, or have met, in the hundreds, did. With the exception of like three. Maybe they're just the loudest, but what you said doesn't wash with my personal experiences. Any citation to go with yours?
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I'm hoping you misunderstood, or I misunderstood you, but you seem to be saying that all the vegetarians you know wouldn't eat a soya sausage because it looks like a similar animal product and thus eating it would be unethical.

What's more they wouldn't eat the meat sausage because it well ... "looks unethical" ... rather than because they have ethical problems with it's production and/or are concerned about health issues.
 
seayakin said:
I had a neighbor who was a Jain
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:confused:

I just take issue with people who essentially don't eat red meat and call themselves vegetarians.
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Never heard of this, let alone seen/experienced it. Kinda stupid IMO but I can't imagine "taking issue" with it, really. ie who cares?
 
Dog Town said:
All of the ones I know, or have met, in the hundreds, did. With the exception of like three. Maybe they're just the loudest, but what you said doesn't wash with my personal experiences. Any citation to go with yours?
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Either you misread what I wrote, or a great number of vegetarians are pulling you leg...
 
whatthebutlersaw said:
  1. a personal choice vegetarian - because i want to. You have what you like.
  2. health vegetarian - because i believe it is healthier for me. You eat what you like.
  3. eco vegetarian - because i believe meat rearing takes a hard toll on the environment. You eat meat if you want to, but may i suggest cutting down a little, and maybe choose grass fed from smaller holdings?
  4. teenage vegetarian - do you have to breathe so loud! Gawd no one else's parents are this lame. No one understands me! I reject your family dinners and everything you stand for! I'm going out now!
  5. condescending vegetarian - because i have reached a higher plane in human evolution. You eat what you like. Sapiens.
  6. tripping vegetarian - because the twinkie said cows have such sad eyes. You eat what you like. Are you gonna eat that jello, though?
  7. holier than *********** thou vegetarian - because im so speshul and ur not lol cos i dont want anything to die to feed me lol
  8. peta-psycho vegetarian - i'm releasing this box of starving crazed weasels as a symbol of the truck i would be burning if i was only allowed to buy matches! You killed misery!!!! Mooooooh!
  9. hiding an eating disorder vegetarian - oh, i'm sorry, i can't eat that. I forgot to say, i'm vegetarian. Not your fault at all, just me being ditzy! You go ahead and eat. No, i mean it. You eat. I'll have something later. You just put that fork... In... Your... Mouth... And eat for me. What? I'm staring? Sorry, i was thinking of something else. Silly me. You go ahead and eat.
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lol! :D
 
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I don't care what you eat. I don't care if you care what I eat. If you try to control my food choices, you may become one of my food choices.
 
Okay, since the subject has been brought up, and this has been bugging me for AGES...

First -- I don't really care what a person chooses to eat. You can choose to eat nothing but popcorn and jelly beans, and I'll support that decision as long as you don't try to force it on other people (namely me). You wanna mess up your body that way, go for it.

That being said. What is up with the weird nonsensical reasons for making these choices? I recently had a conversation with a vegetarian who said: "I'm a vegetarian because I feel vegetables are easier to digest as they are closer to our ultimate power source."

What does that even mean?? Does this person not understand basic biology? Easier to digest? In what world? Is this one step away from breatharianism? *boggle*
 
tesscaline said:
Okay, since the subject has been brought up, and this has been bugging me for AGES...

First -- I don't really care what a person chooses to eat. You can choose to eat nothing but popcorn and jelly beans, and I'll support that decision as long as you don't try to force it on other people (namely me). You wanna mess up your body that way, go for it.

That being said. What is up with the weird nonsensical reasons for making these choices? I recently had a conversation with a vegetarian who said: "I'm a vegetarian because I feel vegetables are easier to digest as they are closer to our ultimate power source."

What does that even mean?? Does this person not understand basic biology? Easier to digest? In what world? Is this one step away from breatharianism? *boggle*
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Sounds more like they're aiming for photosynthesis :)
 
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