Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

The Lone Bolt said:
First of all, your own chart shows that UA175 and AA77 did not take off after the last flight hijacked (UA93). UA175 took off 28 minutes after UA93 and AA77 took off 22 minutes after UA93

Secondly, there was a succession in the takeoffs: 7:59, 8:14, 8:20, and 8:42. Again, your own chart shows this.

Finally, if the planes did not take off in the order in which they were originally scheduled, what does this prove and why?
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You claimed that the terrorists selected successive flights! That selection was made before take off. And I prove you in such case that they did not selected successive flights! It only disproves your claim. You must forget any selection of successive flights creating successive hijacks. That’s all.

The Lone Bolt said:
There is also no consistent relationship between the times of the crashes and the following hijacks. By your own logic doesn't that disprove your coordination-by-one-source theory? Shouldn't the times between crashes and following hijacks be exactly the same? How do you explain that they aren't?
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Perfectly exact times are impossible. The only significant difference exists between flight 2 and 3. And that’s consistent with the same adjustments to be made on number 1 and two making the setup of the second plane extremely easy, just copy, and the need to start the control of the third one which is about to exit West Virginia area and getting into another flight control team.

Everything is consistent.

The Lone Bolt said:
And your argument is null, is not consistent with actual hijack times (by your own logic they should be exactly the same).

So you are arguing that if the terrorists hijacked the exact same flights and acted independently they would have completed their mission sooner than by being coordinated from the ground? Prove this.
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You just need to consider the flight route, their target, and put about 15 minutes between take off and deviation, you got the graphic in the slide 10 of my power point www.peace911.org . For the routes, you can use the map in slide 12.

The main reason is that the targets are situated near the east coast and all airports are near the same coast. For AA77, the flight took of at about 30km from its target, the terrorists waited for 34 minutes before takeover and return back near their take off! If they acted immediately after take off, let’s say 10 minutes after, they can come back easily and finish their job early. Similar reasoning for the last one, with some differences.
 
R.Mackey said:
"Design" must mean something different on your planet. To sane individuals, fantasizing about mechanical systems you do not understand != "design."
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You can attack me personally, feel free to do it, everything you tell reaches only yourself.

I did not come to Tomahawk first. I designed the requirements, then for practical reasons I considered cruise missile.

R.Mackey said:
Originally Posted by mehmetin
You are still claiming that tomahawk system is not suitable for that purpose. You must consider these conditions:
- No need for precise level measurement. No laser altitude measurement is needed, and it can not be set up in a regularly used civil aircraft. GPS level measurement is enough to hit the towers.

So wrong it's not even funny. This is needed, Tomahawk already uses it, many civil aircraft do need it. GPS is not enough, as Tomahawk demonstrates.

Originally Posted by mehmetin
- If some removal of some measurements is needed, it can easily be done by software.

Not possible on a 767.
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The need for laser or picture measurement is only a precision requirement. But as the towers were enough high and large, the precision of GPS is enough. In the software of Thomahawk, they needed to remove the calculations of other more precise measurements. We are not speaking about any software change into a 767.

R.Mackey said:
Not possible on a 767. Definitely not possible if you want the install to be undetectable to pilots and maintainers, which your theory requires.
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The install had to be made only some days before take off. They are placed under the cockpit, in a technical area which is accessed only in maintenance operations. If there was no maintenance during the last 5 days before 9/11, the job is done, nobody will see the equipments.
 
mehmetin said:
You claimed that the terrorists selected successive flights! That selection was made before take off. And I prove you in such case that they did not selected successive flights! It only disproves your claim. You must forget any selection of successive flights creating successive hijacks. That’s all.
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Can someone translate this from crazy into English for me?
 
Justin39640 said:
NICE! I've been looking for a database like this.

OK Meh, here is the departure delays for United Airlines at Newark-Liberty International Airport (EWR) for Monday September 10th, 2001.

[qimg]http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/8271/91001delays2.jpg[/qimg]

12 flights on this list (there were more the screen shot didn't capture) that had taxi out delays of over 25 minutes. All inside jobs or not?

I really don't think you have a good grasp of the nightmare air travel can be in this country. Especially at an extremely busy airport like Newark-Liberty.
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It's worse then you think. The column you underlined is the "taxi out". Look two columns to the left "departure delay".

:eek:
 
I don't understand why this discussion is still going on. I have debunked a central part of the thread starter's wannabe-hypothesis. He lost. Time to move on?
 
preptic said:
I don't understand why this discussion is still going on. I have debunked a central part of the thread starter's wannabe-hypothesis. He lost. Time to move on?
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Welcome to the internet, where things never end regardless of the fact that it's clearly over.... :D
 
preptic said:
I don't understand why this discussion is still going on. I have debunked a central part of the thread starter's wannabe-hypothesis. He lost. Time to move on?
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You think we're here to seriously "debunk" this stuff?





I've got to requisition more dogs. "Twinstead"................................
 
DGM said:
It's worse then you think. The column you underlined is the "taxi out". Look two columns to the left "departure delay".

:eek:
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Oh I know lol. Things like that is why I cringe every time I think of going to JFK or LaGuardia. :mad:
 
Justin39640 said:
Oh I know lol. Things like that is why I cringe every time I think of going to JFK or LaGuardia. :mad:
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Try O'Hare (SP?). I Had to fly in and out 3 times a week for six weeks, all during peak. Those are hours spent I will never get back.

:(


BTW: I flew to and from Logan.



:eye-poppi
 
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EventHorizon said:
The Black Knight always triumphs!
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EventHorizon said:
They all took off in succession too. That means they all must have been controlled by one team.
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Skipped the middle 32 pages of posts, so I hope EH is joking and someone has taken this extremely cheap shot at the OP: Yes, I believe they are called "air traffic controllers."

If you can't pick the low fruit what's the point of harvesting?
 
mehmetin said:
You can attack me personally, feel free to do it, everything you tell reaches only yourself.

I did not come to Tomahawk first. I designed the requirements, then for practical reasons I considered cruise missile.
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I know there isn't a language problem here as "design" is "dizayn" in Turkish and you have not demonstrated having done anything of the sort. "Speculated" might be a nicer word but "fantasised" is apt. You come on here with airs of having done research and formulating a strong case but you have nothing. There are no technical designs showing how this might work on your website that I saw, but if there are then post them here.

No need to waste your time on such a thing if you haven't done it because you have no good reason to even invoke such a thing as explanation for the events. Your succession = central coordination is just plain silly and the biggest mystery is why you can't see it as such.

The current test of your intellectual honesty is what you will say now that you have been given the airport flight delay statistics. I suspect your current frame of mind will allow you to concede nothing.
 
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