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dafydd said:
A sane topic to discuss?
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Are you seriously suggesting the topic of "getting E.T. to return" is 'insane'...?

You are one ignorant individual.

IGNORE being the descriptive term used to describe anyone who capable of saying it is not sane to consider that humans aren't the end all be of of intelligence...

And after all the evidence that Rramjet and others have posted, how can anyone possible be 'certain' of none existence??? ALL the evidence(s) and anecdotes point in the opposite direction. People have seen 'them' throughout ALL of the ages. 'They' appear in EVERY form of media available

And you think it is insane to discuss manners of getting them to descend???

Have you ever heard of the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy"?
 
Have you ever heard of the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy"?
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Is that the one you use to describe people who claim "People have seen 'them' throughout ALL of the ages. 'They' appear in EVERY form of media available" but without acknowledging that the elves have been around for ages before this newfangled flying saucer thing?
 
King of the Americas said:
Are you seriously suggesting the topic of "getting E.T. to return" is 'insane'...?

You are one ignorant individual.

IGNORE being the descriptive term used to describe anyone who capable of saying it is not sane to consider that humans aren't the end all be of of intelligence...

And after all the evidence that Rramjet and others have posted, how can anyone possible be 'certain' of none existence??? ALL the evidence(s) and anecdotes point in the opposite direction. People have seen 'them' throughout ALL of the ages. 'They' appear in EVERY form of media available

And you think it is insane to discuss manners of getting them to descend???

Have you ever heard of the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy"?
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Of course, nobody has heard of the Willful ignorance fallacy," except from you, since you made it up, and since you clearly have not quite grasped what distinguishes a fallacy from other errors. If there were such a thing as a "willful ignorance fallacy" you'd be oxymoronically guilty of it here.

That aside, Rramjet's postings have not contained anything that can really be considered evidence, and nobody here, as far as I know, has posited certainty that ET's don't exist. Only doubt of their presence, and a reasonable degree of assurance, bordering on certainty, that they are not what you think they are. There's a difference here, whether or not you understand it or choose to acknowledge it.

I don't suppose utter silliness can quite be characterized as insanity, but it's a difficult call, especially when the two principal choices are between craziness and stupidity.
 
"getting E.T. to return"
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does not logically follow from
"consider that humans aren't the end all be of of intelligence"....
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Considering is not knowing (at least not for me, but English is not my first language) and even if "they"´d exist (I personally very much consider the possibility of our planet not being the only place where life exists), "they"'d still have to have been/would have to get here first before "they" could return. The credible evidence presented for that is..uhm...still missing, doesn't matter how often you claim the opposite. People have erred, lied, hallucinated throughout ALL of the ages.

'They' appear in EVERY form of media available
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Yes, sure. Mary and Jesus also "appear" quite often, from toasts to crap stains and people claiming to have seen apparitions of them etc. That still does not mean they are/were real. You being convinced "they" are/were here does not make it anymore true than other stories and legends people believe in.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Are you seriously suggesting the topic of "getting E.T. to return" is 'insane'...?
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It's just as sane as suggesting the topic of "getting the goddess Isis to return". There is no objective evidence to support the previous existence of Isis as a genuine tangible entity, certainly not one that has the capability of returning. So no, it wouldn't be sane to consider, other than a fantasy thought experiment, how to get her to return.

You are one ignorant individual.
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The uncivil personal attack, wholly devoid of any substantive or on-topic content, is noted.

IGNORE being the descriptive term used to describe anyone who capable of saying it is not sane to consider that humans aren't the end all be of of intelligence...
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The inference that anyone has taken this position can be definitively described as a lie.

And after all the evidence that Rramjet and others have posted, how can anyone possible be 'certain' of none existence??? ALL the evidence(s) and anecdotes point in the opposite direction. People have seen 'them' throughout ALL of the ages. 'They' appear in EVERY form of media available
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Rramjet hasn't posted a single bit of objective, quantitative evidence to support his ridiculous conjecture. It was suggested that he would do well to familiarize himself with the terms "argument from ignorance" and "argument from incredulity", and see how those terms applied to his screeds. And after thousands of posts, those two fallacies still comprise virtually the entirety of his argument. There is no scientific legitimacy to the claim that "they" exist.

And you think it is insane to discuss manners of getting them to descend???
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It is certainly not rational (as a synonym for the word "sane") to discuss manners of getting anything to descend that hasn't been shown to exist.

Have you ever heard of the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy"?
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It seems to have been coined right here in this thread. It hasn't been defined, but appears to be an attempt to lend some legitimacy to comments like this...

King of the Americas said:
You are one ignorant individual.
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Consider the effort to have failed.
 
bruto said:
Of course, nobody has heard of the Willful ignorance fallacy," except from you, since you made it up, and since you clearly have not quite grasped what distinguishes a fallacy from other errors. If there were such a thing as a "willful ignorance fallacy" you'd be oxymoronically guilty of it here.
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Georg said:
Yes, I have. On this forum and from you only. Googling the phrase did not bring up other results either. Doesn't seem to be an established thing as you like it to be. Same problem as with the E.T.s visiting us........
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GeeMack said:
It seems to have been coined right here in this thread. It hasn't been defined, but appears to be an attempt to lend some legitimacy to comments like this...
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The number one google result for the "willful ignorance fallacy" is this thread. LOL.

ETA - number two result is KotA's other thread.
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Serious question - who tagged this thread with "aliens" - LOLOLOLOL
 
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King of the Americas said:
Are you seriously suggesting the topic of "getting E.T. to return" is 'insane'...?

You are one ignorant individual.

IGNORE being the descriptive term used to describe anyone who capable of saying it is not sane to consider that humans aren't the end all be of of intelligence...

And after all the evidence that Rramjet and others have posted, how can anyone possible be 'certain' of none existence??? ALL the evidence(s) and anecdotes point in the opposite direction. People have seen 'them' throughout ALL of the ages. 'They' appear in EVERY form of media available

And you think it is insane to discuss manners of getting them to descend???

Have you ever heard of the "Willful Ignorance Fallacy"?
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Yah, totally agree. It's just the same with tree spirits. Maybe we could all hug a tree at the opening ceremony of the 2012 olympics, and get them out into the open? - then we can ridicule their stupid pointy hats.
 
If I printed out all of KOTA's posts, and spread them out on the ground, they'd cover 2781 square feet, also known as an area a lot smaller than Wales. Just saying...
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
If I printed out all of KOTA's posts, and spread them out on the ground, they'd cover 2781 square feet, also known as an area a lot smaller than Wales. Just saying...
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Yes, but look at it this way... They would have to cut down an area of rain forest considerably smaller than an area the size of Wales to make the paper you used to print them out*.






*If they actually used rain forest trees for making paper.
 
Which is not the same as the 'wasteful rramjet fallacy', which is all about contributing in great depth on the UFO thread.
 
Pretending to pretend is not always fallacious though so the "Let's pretend we're pretending fallacy" is a "Let's pretend we're pretending fallacy fallacy" :confused:
 
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