AE911Truth and the actual # of engineers in America...

RKOwens4 said:
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth... an impressive number to you?
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750,000 would be impressive. 0.01 percent of all A&Es is not a small percentage, it is proof only a fringe few A&Es around the world are nuts on 911.


Gage is a liar.
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/475-fiasco.html
As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
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0.01 percent of engineers and architects in the world are dumbed down enough to sign up for failure with Gage. Gage has delusions, and fools those who can't think for themselves. 0.01 percent is not a small percentage, it is a fraction of a percent. Math is not used by 911 truth.



cicorp said:
... You accuse Richard Gage of stating what he does not believe?
For example he does not truly believe WTC 7 came down by CD?

There's a lot of sloppy use of "lie" and "lying" on this forum, ...
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911 truth is not capable of research! Gage lies about 911, and people who can't think for themselves fall for his moronic lies.
WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives: http://www.ae911truth.org/index.php , ...
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WTC7 has characteristics of a gravity collapse - Gage is a liar.

Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples
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Gage is a liar, and only attracts dumbed down engineers and architects who can't think for themselves. It is impressive how someone spewing moronic lies can get anyone to believe him. When you look at the numbers

Miley Cyrus can get 12,000 to sign up in a day, why is Gage taking years to get a few nuts to sign up? Gage is fraud, and will never have impressive numbers, and never will have people with rational conclusions on 911. Never.
 
Perhaps

TruthersLie said:
people who are rather bat **** crazy...
As for Dr. Griscom...this pretty much sums it up.
http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/20...er-perhaps-victims-on-planes-alive-in-tahiti/
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He wrote PERHAPS, which merely means it is a possibility to check out, however remote. If he said "definitely" or even "probably", then you have a valid argument. It is presented as a hypothesis to be tested. Do you have proof the the contrary, that it is totally impossible some are not alive? Do we absolutely know who was on the planes, without .00001% chance of doubt? A scientist considers all possibilities.
 
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cicorp said:
He wrote PERHAPS, which merely means it is a possibility to check out, however remote. If he said "definitely" or even "probably", then you have a valid argument. It is presented as a hypothesis to be tested. Do you have proof the the contrary, that it is totally impossible some are not alive? Do we absolutely know who was on the planes, without .00001% chance of doubt? A scientist considers all possibilities.
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Do you know what shows as your post is what we really see without .00001% chance of doubt? How do you know what you type is what we see? Are you sure your wife is the same girl you married?
 
Truth is not by "majority rule"

beachnut said:
it is proof only a fringe few A&Es around the world are nuts on 911.
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So, you say if a small number believe what is contrary to the public opinion that is "proof" they are nuts? So truth is about "majority rule"? That goes for Copernicus too, believing the Earth was round?

Gage is a liar.
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A liar is someone who states something as true, knowing it is not.
Please provide a source quoting him as saying he does not really believe the WTCs came down by Controlled Demolition.

fools those who can't think for themselves.
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Then why don't the truthers believe Fox News or the OCT?
You accuse them of not thinking for themselves, yet
you accuse them of thinking independently of the majority.
Which one is your allegation?

Math is not used by 911 truth.
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Plenty of math, such as Pilots For 9/11 Truth air speed analysis.

911 truth is not capable of research!
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Your opinion.

WTC7 has characteristics of a gravity collapse
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Yes, free fall was measured, near the acceleration of gravity, by NIST for 2.4 seconds.

Gage is fraud
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A fraud is someone who states something to be true, knowing it is not.
You can say Gage is mistaken. But he believes what he is saying.

will never have impressive numbers, and never will have people with rational conclusions on 911. Never.
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Thank you for your prediction. You claim to know the future?
 
DGM said:
Bwwwwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
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Is this a forum for adult, critical thinking, or baseless accusations and childish utterances?

Are you absolutely 100% sure I'm not making you do this?
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This is a good question explored by Plato's Allegory of the Cave, and the movie The Matrix. By "do this" you apparently mean blog on JREF. If you mean "I" in the cosmic sense, as a Unified Field of consciousness, from which all thought arises in the universe, rather than an individualized brain-local field of awareness, then you are correct.
 
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cicorp said:
So, you say if a small number believe what is contrary to the public opinion that is "proof" they are nuts? So truth is about "majority rule"? That goes for Copernicus too, believing the Earth was round?
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Gage is flat earth on 911 issues. He spreads lies and collects money from idiots. What Gage claims is nuts, and if he believes what he preaches, then he is insane and a liar; or real stupid.

cicorp said:
A liar is someone who states something as true, knowing it is not.
Please provide a source quoting him as saying he does not really believe the WTCs came down by Controlled Demolition.
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It is a lie the WTC was CD. It is clearly a lie, Gage is a liar. Gage is saying 911 was an inside job with CD, that is a lie, Gage is a liar. Gage lied, people donate money to a fraud - a willfully ignorance failure to donate money to a NWO snake-oil-salesman.

cicorp said:
Then why don't the truthers believe Fox News or the OCT?
You accuse them of not thinking for themselves, yet
you accuse them of thinking independently of the majority.
Which one is your allegation?
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FOX news? Truthers have delusions. Why has Gage failed to get more than 0.01 percent of all A&Es?

cicorp said:
Plenty of math, such as Pilots For 9/11 Truth air speed analysis.
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Yep, you got me with that moron math of Balsamo, all 11.2gs of it. You be the math master on this one. Wow. 0.01 percent, is failure.


cicorp said:
Your opinion.
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No, it is a fact 911 truth fails to do research, they make up lies, no research required. If you have some research done by 911 truth, it proves they have delusions. Please check the elite 0.01 percent and present their massive piles of research. 9 years of failure, and now you will present the massive piles of stuff. What about one piece of evidence to support one of the moronic claims?


cicorp said:
Yes, free fall was measured, near the acceleration of gravity, by NIST for 2.4 seconds.
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No CD, proved by no explosives, no thermite used. Only 0.01 percent of all A&Es agree with the fraud of Gage. Gravity collapse, no CD; Gage spreads lies to fool the ignorant.

cicorp said:
A fraud is someone who states something to be true, knowing it is not.
You can say Gage is mistaken. But he believes what he is saying.
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Gage is insane according to you. Okay, I did no see you knew Gage was insane. He spews lies because he is insane. Makes sense to me whey only 0.01 percent of A&Es agree with him, about 10 percent of the insane A&Es have found Gage.


cicorp said:
Thank you for your prediction. You claim to know the future?
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When A&Es who sign up for Gage's delusions make rational conclusions they will not longer be in the failed 911 truth movement. They will be cured.

Where are the impressive numbers of A&Es? Not with Gage. Only a few who fail to understand 911, math, physics, science, fire, and more sign up for Gage and support his failed ideas; Why? Because Gage's evidence is the empty set. More math, 911 truth will not comprehend.

Gage is to 911 as Samuel Shenton is to Flat Earth. Nuts. Result: 0.01 percent of all A&Es fall for the delusions Gage plagiarized from 911 truth, the movement of lies.

As the Lunar Orbiter program led to a sharp decline in membership for Flat-Earth, an understanding of physics and logic would precipitate a sharp decline in the fringe 0.01 percent who can't figure out 911, given the answers.
 
Scott Sommers said:
But I bet you knew this already. Right? Being a typical Truther, you'd know all about how scholarship and academic research works.
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Yes, it involves intense study for at least one year of select Facebook profiles.
 
ergo said:
Yes, it involves intense study for at least one year of select Facebook profiles.
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While I agree you are clever and occasionally capable of some interesting ideas, I am quite interested in this group of Truthers you describe. As you know, my methods for locating the Truth seem leave me with only the stupid. I am quite interested in locating the non-stupid Truthers. In fact, I have tried to write members of Lawyers for 911 Truth, Medical Professionals for 911 Truth and Scientists for 911 Truth. They are remarkably uncooperative, not to mention old. Others here say they have tried to locate members of AE911T and not been able to find them. I don't know how true this is.

Anyway, I am quite interested in contacting this group of Truther intelligentsia that you tell me is more representative. My identity is not secret and I am very easy to find both on the Internet and in real life. Is there anyway I can contact people in this group of Truthers that you talk about?

Help me out on this, dude. If I'm wrong, I'll be happy to publish something retracing the paper you claim to have read that everyone knows you haven't. But I need your help on this one. I've looked real hard and I can't find this high-powered group of real smart thinkers who think that 911 was an inside job. I look to your wisdom for help on this one.
 
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cicorp said:
He wrote PERHAPS, which merely means it is a possibility to check out, however remote. If he said "definitely" or even "probably", then you have a valid argument. It is presented as a hypothesis to be tested. Do you have proof the the contrary, that it is totally impossible some are not alive? Do we absolutely know who was on the planes, without .00001% chance of doubt? A scientist considers all possibilities.
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Right, every time an experiment is done they have to control for spirits, goblins, alien intervention, telekinesis, and miracles.
 
cicorp said:
Is this a forum for adult, critical thinking, or baseless accusations and childish utterances?


This is a good question explored by Plato's Allegory of the Cave, and the movie The Matrix. By "do this" you apparently mean blog on JREF. If you mean "I" in the cosmic sense, as a Unified Field of consciousness, from which all thought arises in the universe, rather than an individualized brain-local field of awareness, then you are correct.
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Twoofers post here all the time.
 
cicorp said:
He wrote PERHAPS, which merely means it is a possibility to check out, however remote. If he said "definitely" or even "probably", then you have a valid argument. It is presented as a hypothesis to be tested. Do you have proof the the contrary, that it is totally impossible some are not alive? Do we absolutely know who was on the planes, without .00001% chance of doubt? A scientist considers all possibilities.
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and perhaps a time traveller from the far future showed up on those jets and took the vicsims into the future where they are repopulating the earth after a huge catastrophe.

<facepalm>

Mothra did it. We all know it. I have just as much evidence as truthers do... and mine is much more hollywood.
 
ergo said:
Yes, it involves intense study for at least one year of select Facebook profiles.
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Did you finally manage to walk down to the library and find a copy of Scott's article? Nah....

oh hey.. with those amazing twoof research skills have you figured out the caracas tower fire yet?

Have you discovered the truth of that fire? It even had reported "explosions." Was it an inside jobby job?

Why oh why did that building remain standing?
 
Scott Sommers said:
As you know, my methods for locating the Truth seem leave me with only the stupid.
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I guess that's a factor of the "research" choices you make.

Anyway, I am quite interested in contacting this group of Truther intelligentsia that you tell me is more representative.
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I don't recall making any comments about a Truther intelligentsia. I have mainly been responding to your outrageous generalizations of "Truthers" based on phony research.

Your repeated claim that truthers are mostly Wal-Mart workers--implying, I suppose, that they are therefore "stupid"--and people "marginally employed" chooses to ignore high profile groups like AETruth, Jones's group, Scientists for 9/11 Truth, and a number of independent researchers. It also seems to only focus on a certain strata of American society, failing to recognize the slow but steady mainstreaming of 9/11 inquiry that is occurring not only in America but beyond.

I can't help it if you want to simply handwave AETruth away, making uninformed statements about them, when you can actually investigate who they are and what they are saying even from where you are. But pretending that the "truth movement" has no professional representation, amidst all the contrary evidence, is bizarre and merely makes you look ignorant or like you're deliberately spreading lies. I would think that would be an academically dangerous position to take for someone seeking a PhD and using his real name on an internet forum.
 
ergo said:
I guess that's a factor of the "research" choices you make.




I don't recall making any comments about a Truther intelligentsia. I have mainly been responding to your outrageous generalizations of "Truthers" based on phony research.

Your repeated claim that truthers are mostly Wal-Mart workers
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I have made no such claim.

ergo said:
--implying... they are therefore "stupid"--and people "marginally employed"
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Yes, I am stating that Truthers are generally drawn from this margin class. There are significant numbers of Truthers who have graduated from a university and hold at least one degree - something I talk about in that paper you keep pretending to have read. My experience is that they too are marginally employed. This is especially true for those who do not limit their Truthiness to signing Internet petitions or posting anonymously on forums.

ergo said:
chooses to ignore high profile groups like AETruth, Jones's group, Scientists for 9/11 Truth, and a number of independent researchers. It also seems to only focus on a certain strata of American society, failing to recognize the slow but steady mainstreaming of 9/11 inquiry that is occurring not only in America but beyond.
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No, I do not ignore them. And if you had, as you have so many times claimed, really read my article, you would know this to be false. I do feel that people like Jones and his gang are special cases and their position as leaders in this issue points to that.


ergo said:
I can't help it if you want to simply handwave AETruth away, making uninformed statements about them, when you can actually investigate who they are and what they are saying even from where you are. But pretending that the "truth movement" has no professional representation, amidst all the contrary evidence, is bizarre and merely makes you look ignorant or like you're deliberately spreading lies. I would think that would be an academically dangerous position to take for someone seeking a PhD and using his real name on an internet forum.
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Ya, I do hand wave away AE911. They are completely inconsequential to any of this. It is an Internet petition. Many of the people who signed it are over 60. They never attend public demonstrations for 911 Truth and are not active in their professional associations. Members of the JREF continue to claim that they can not get response from names they have listed. I have not tried AE911, but I know this is true for every other 911 Truth Internet petition.

But I am waiting for that day when I know what you say to be true. So far, public demonstrations for 911 Truth peaked in 2006, with the 911 memorial demonstration organised by Luke Rudkowski, whom you claim to have never heard of. Any public demonstration is so pathetic, JREF members gladly post videos of them. 911 Truth is not an election issue, anywhere and ever...oh, I forgot the Canadian Action Party has it as part of their platform, don't they...and the Truth Party in the USA.

Good luck, dude. I don't know what more to say. Go to the library? Read my paper? I am writing another one. I'll let you know when it's published.

 
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To truthers its never enough. No amount of expert reports, testimony, opinions, or views will ever change their mind. Because apparently everybody is "in on it." Yeah right.
 
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