Merged CIA / IDF implemented HAARP to cause Japanese Earthquake and lower oil prices

[JohnG]

I am a firm believer in the Expanding Earth Theory as promulgated by a famous youtube exposition and Neil Adams.

Yeah...I know that when I want profound and learned insight into science, I go straight to the comic book artists*.

Oh, and it's Neal Adams, BTW. Stop getting everything wrong. You're giving me a headache.

"a famous youtube exposition and Neil Adams". For God's sake...








*I'm being snarky but I would have made an exception in the case of the late great Manga and Anime pioneer Osamu Tezuka, who was also a medical doctor.

 

[Nosi]

The nearly four billion year old rocks in Australia and Canada don't like this idea of an expanding Earth.

If the Earth expands, don't rocks just sit and enjoy the ride?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He didn't understand at all and yet in an official capacity while Head of DoD he states clearly

How comforting that someone in such a position of power can't understand the simple fact setting off earthquakes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves is BS.

It's a well known phenomenon called "clueless ignorant politician/political appointee talks out his ass".

Well my question was whether data shows it was on or not?

Irrelevant. You can't trigger earthquakes by shooting radio waves from the other side of the planet. It doesn't matter whether HAARP was on or not.

Earthquakes are caused by two or more tectonic plates sliding against each other. As they apply presssure against each other, it builds over time. Eventually the pressure builds to the point where one of the plates gives way and there is a sudden and dramatic movement of the Earths crust as the plates settle into a new equilibrium.

What you are proposing is the exact same thing you tried to get away from earlier. You are talking about a handful of radio attennas applying physical force against a pressure point between two tectonic plates to make the big snap happen earlier than it would have on its own.

You still need some means of exerting enough force to move tens of trillions of tons of dense heavy rock.

VS

You've been watching too many "Superfriends" cartoons there, Lex Luthor.

 

[JCM]

Earthquakes are caused by two or more tectonic plates sliding against each other. As they apply presssure against each other, it builds over time. Eventually the pressure builds to the point where one of the plates gives way and there is a sudden and dramatic movement of the Earths crust as the plates settle into a new equilibrium.
What you are proposing is the exact same thing you tried to get away from earlier. You are talking about a handful of radio attennas applying physical force against a pressure point between two tectonic plates to make the big snap happen earlier than it would have on its own.
You still need some means of exerting enough force to move tens of trillions of tons of dense heavy rock.

As I understand the effects are nonlinear:

"The key to geophysical warfare is the identification of environmental instabilities to which the addition of a small amount of energy would release vastly greater amounts of energy. " -Professor Gordon J. F. MacDonald associate director of the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at the University of California, Los Angeles

As far as the tens of trillions of tons of dense heavy rock, could the interaction happen at the magma layers below these tons? Or even way above these tons, need the energy be directed at the ground? Perhaps instead the Van Allen?
Van Allen Belt and Earthquake Prediction

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

You obviously have no fraqqing clue what "a small amount of energy" is compared t the energy reqired to knock the entire island of Japan 8 feet to the left.

Leetman pointed out that the energy of the quake was roughly 1740,000,000,000,000,000 joules. Or the simultanous detonation of 435 million tons of TNT, or the equivalent of 4,350 W76 thermonuclear warheads. Effectively, the entire United States nuclear arsenal.

Let's say that HAARP needs to transmit only five percent of the energy of the total quake, that's 215 nuclear warheads. Now let's be really generous and say that HAARP is the most energy efficient device ever created and loses only 5% of its power output as waste heat. Thta's the equivalent of ten W76 warheads.

Congratulations, you've buggered up Japan something awful. But you've also made 100 sqaure miles of Alaska uninhabitable for the next 20 years.

This is why we say that people who think HAARP can cause earthquakes are frigging morons and should probably be forcibly sterilized.

 

[JCM]

You obviously have no fraqqing clue what "a small amount of energy" is compared t the energy reqired to knock the entire island of Japan 8 feet to the left.

The energy is already in the system. You are not understanding. Where did the earth get all this energy? It was already there.

Let's say that HAARP needs to transmit only five percent of the energy of the total quake,

Let's not. 5%, 1% where are you getting these numbers? Why not 1/100,000%? Or even smaller. As it is non-linear you have no idea what the effective ratio would be.

frigging morons and should probably be forcibly sterilized.

Wow... You identify with Nazi eugenicists? Sterilize the mentally disabled too?

Well my question was whether data shows it was on or not?

Irrelevant.

The statement of it being on at the time IS falsifiable. Accept it was on or show it was not. I thought the graphs I provided showed it was but I will admit being wrong if you show me contradictory evidence as it to being off

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The energy is already in the system. You are not understanding. Where did the earth get all this energy? It was already there.

No... YOU don't understand. If the energy is already in the system then HAARP is not needed to explain the quake. If the quake can't happen without HAARP, then we know that HAARPs contribution is significant.

Let's not. 5%, 1% where are you getting these numbers? Why not 1/100,000%? Or even smaller. As it is non-linear you have no idea what the effective ratio would be.

Actually, I was being generous to you with the numbers. 95% energy efficiency is almost impossible to achieve in real world applications. The waste heat released by your magic quake cannon would be much greater than what I called for.

Pulling the trigger on your vision of HAARP would destroy the facility and devastate a large swath of the surrounding area.

You identify with Nazi eugenicists? Sterilize the mentally disabled too?

*sigh*

Right... you're a guy who thinks that HAARP can cause earthquakes. I should have realized you wouldn't be able to understand I was being sarcastic.

I will take your poor reality testing into account when I respond to you from now on.

The statement of it being on at the time IS falsifiable. Accept it was on or show it was not. I thought the graphs I provided showed it was

It doesn't matter if HAARP was on. My TV was on during the quake. But neither of them can cause earthquakes. So whether HAARP was on or not is irrelevant.

 

[dudalb]

The nearly four billion year old rocks in Australia and Canada don't like this idea of an expanding Earth.

It is really a shame that a comic book artist as talented as Neal Adams (Best Green Lantern artist ever and one of the best Batman Artist) gave up what he was really good at in order to push this expanding earth crap.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

It is really a shame that a comic book artist as talented as Neal Adams (Best Green Lantern artist ever and one of the best Batman Artist) gave up what he was really good at in order to push this expanding earth crap.

Let's just pray that Goerge Perez remains mentally stable.

 

[JCM]

No... YOU don't understand. If the energy is already in the system then HAARP is not needed to explain the quake. If the quake can't happen without HAARP, then we know that HAARPs contribution is significant.

False dichotomy. I never said it couldn't happen without HAARP. You are correct HAARP is not needed to explain the quake. Hence the statement from someone more knowledgeable about the topic than either of us

would be virtually undetectable by their victims

Actually, I was being generous to you with the numbers. 95% energy efficiency is almost impossible to achieve in real world applications.

Actually, when I stated

5%, 1% where are you getting these numbers? Why not 1/100,000%? Or even smaller. As it is non-linear you have no idea what the effective ratio would be.

I was referring to your statements

Let's say that HAARP needs to transmit only five percent of the energy of the total quake

and

Just a catalyst for a 9.0 quake would be enormous.
I invite Dvictr and INRM to answer my questions and apply just one percent...of the answer (1,740,000,000,000,000,000 joules)

Where are you getting the magic catalyst percentage from? Your thought experiment uses 5% or 1% of the total energy why can't that percentage be much, much smaller?

It doesn't matter if HAARP was on. My TV was on during the quake. But neither of them can cause earthquakes. So whether HAARP was on or not is irrelevant.

It either was on or wasn't I care not whether it matters to you if it was or was not. That is not my question. A responsive answer would be yes or no, was it on? And if you won't, accept it was on. What's the big deal stating it was on if it doesn't mean anything in your opinion anyway. I mean you have no problem saying your tv was on which played no role?

I should have realized you wouldn't be able to understand I was being sarcastic.

I did. Pardon me for not getting a chuckle from forced sterilization. That is unless the vasectomies were preformed with safety scissors and tubal ligations with silly string. Then maybe...

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

You are correct HAARP is not needed to explain the quake.

Great. Those of us who are not insane won't use it to explain the quake then.

 

[1337m4n]

The energy is already in the system. You are not understanding. Where did the earth get all this energy? It was already there.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that it renders the use of such an "earthquake generator" completely pointless for all except benevolent reasons.

Conspiracy people need to learn how earthquakes work before spewing nonsense. There is a slow, gradual accumulation of pressure in the Earth's crust. This pressure cannot be safely eliminated by any known force or currently existing technology. So the pressure can only continue to build. Once it surpasses a certain threshold, it is released in a mighty shockwave.

What this means is that as far as modern technology is concerned, earthquakes are inevitable. Once pressure starts building between techtonic plates, an earthquake WILL happen and it is only a matter of time. The best possible scenario is for the earthquake to happen BEFORE the energy can accumulate to truly dangerous levels.

Do you understand? The earthquake is (1) inevitable, and (2) will only be more powerful the more time passes without the pressure being released.

This means that a device that causes an earthquake to occur prematurely can only be beneficial for humanity.

Suppose for the sake of argument that the 8.9 in Japan was caused by HAARP. This means that had HAARP NOT been used, the pressure in the crust would've simply built more and more before the quake inevitably did occur. So when the quake DID occur it would be even WORSE than an 8.9. Meaning the use of HAARP did Japan a favor.

And if by its very nature a device can only possibly be BENEFICIAL for humanity, then there is no reason, none, whatsoever, to "cover up" its existence.

It's the same thing I tell 9/11 conspiracy nutbags who claim WTC7 was demolished for "safety reasons" or that Flight 93 was shot down to protect the Capitol from being hit. If you did the right thing then there is no need to hide that fact. If I could trigger earthquakes prematurely using HAARP I would, and I consider myself a good guy.

 

[1337m4n]

And one more thing: This device is supposed to work using radio waves, right? So radio waves can trigger earthquakes?

If that's the case, given the sheer amount of radio waves bouncing around randomly from all kinds of sources, including televisions and the Sun, it would mean that earthquakes can be triggered on their own WITHOUT the aid of any kind of earthquake device.



.....Oh wait--earthquakes DO occur on their own without the aid of any kind of earthquake device. How about that. What's the evidence that HAARP specifically was the catalyst again?

 

[dvictr]

the confirmed HAARP earth based infrastructure is located in Alaska, but there are secondary locations with more elaborate construction.

originally developed to manipulate weather conditions the research showed intriguing results in long range energy transfer with the potential to exponentially multiply forces using experimental radio magentronics. the process works by implanting a receiving device deep into the earths crust using existing offshore oil drilling machinery. the "receiver" when exposed to ultra high frequency waves of the space based generator interacts with the earths magenetic field to force minute shift in the earths rotating axis. the shift of a few centimeters exerts a force localized at the implant location. the effects are devastating from test results in the indian ocean 2004 to Haiti and Japan, while earthquakes also occur as a result of natural processes, classified military technology have been able to weaponize this phenomena for political and financial purposes.

this image is crude bu the triangulation mechanism is illustrated

 

[Grassy Knowlington]

the confirmed HAARP earth based infrastructure is located in Alaska, but there are secondary locations with more elaborate construction.

originally developed to manipulate weather conditions the research showed intriguing results in long range energy transfer with the potential to exponentially multiply forces using experimental radio magentronics. the process works by implanting a receiving device deep into the earths crust using existing offshore oil drilling machinery. the "receiver" when exposed to ultra high frequency waves of the space based generator interacts with the earths magenetic field to force minute shift in the earths rotating axis. the shift of a few centimeters exerts a force localized at the implant location. the effects are devastating from test results in the indian ocean 2004 to Haiti and Japan, while earthquakes also occur as a result of natural processes, classified military technology have been able to weaponize this phenomena for political and financial purposes.

this image is crude bu the triangulation mechanism is illustrated

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/M7Ykc.jpg[/qimg]

Goodness me, is that the Star of David?

 

[Grassy Knowlington]

Dvictr, I was asked to pass this message onto you from HQ.

"Tell 'Dvictr' he wasn't meant to reveal the orbiting satellite mechanism until next month. He's ruined everything. He's fired".

Sorry.

 

[twinstead]

HAARP would be SO cool if it actually did what dvictr thinks it can. Alas. It wishful thinking is not a technology.

 

[dvictr]

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...thquake-shifted-earth-axis-shorter-day-nasa/1

The 9.0 magnitude earthquake that ravaged Japan also shortened Earth's day by just over one-millionth of a second (1.8 microseconds to be exact), according to NASA. It also shifted the Earth's axis by about 6.5 inches.

this is part of the banking illuminati's plan to eventually shorten the Earth year by a day as it has implications in interest accruals..

 

[TheRedWorm]

and?

 

[leonAzul]

Goodness me, is that the Star of David?

Why do you think they call it magentronics?