Merged 8.8 quake in Sendai, Japan

[Bluespaceoddity]

They are now starting to haul water to Reactor 3 with Helicopters to cool it.
Reactor 2 has now stable temperatures and pressure went down a bit.
Reactor 4 is making trouble, but they gave no details to that.

source: Tepco

NHK just showed the helicopters over the plant.

 

[DC]

NHK just showed the helicopters over the plant.

Haven't seen pictures, is it like when they use Helicopters to fight fires in a forest? are they trowing the water over the plant?

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

Haven't seen pictures, is it like when they use Helicopters to fight fires in a forest? are they trowing the water over the plant?

The footage showed a "Chinook" taking off with a large "bucket" suspended underneath. The images also showed helicopters over the plant. They were sent there to drop water on reactor 3 but I couldn't see whether or not that was carried out. Now they're reporting that the attempt was stopped.

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

Several items on local stations about cities in areas unaffected by the earthquakes and tsunami preparing and offering temporary housing for free for people left homeless. Some reports about preparing to get people out of schools and other temporary shelters to slightly better accommodation ... slowly ...

 

[9/11-investigator]

Situation now completely out of control:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,751203,00.html

Helicopters no longer allowed to drop water on plant, since it is now 'too dangerous'. Radiation level 1000 Millisievert, will lead to death in a matter of weeks.
Fortunately for the moment the wind is blowing off-land.

 

[Rolfe]

My German isn't up to reading that, and the BBC are not yet reporting it.

Rolfe.

 

[Last of the Fraggles]

'Tokyo Exodus Beginning?'

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Post-apocalyptic:

'Japan earthquake and tsunami - in pictures
Survivors search for the missing as the death toll rises'

I wonder sometimes how much of this 'exodus' is fear of nuclear and how much is 'schools are closed, work is closed, there is nothing to do and the shops aren't stocked think I will take 2 weeks holiday and go somewhere nice when I have the chance'

I've had a couple of Japanese friends tell me something pretty similar to this in the past week.

 

[9/11-investigator]

14 Reasons Why the Economic Collapse of Japan Has Begun

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/economic-collapse-of-japan-has-begun.html

Average age Japan: 45, oldest in the world.
State debt: well over 200%, highest in the developed world (USA: 100%)
There will be no 'bouncing back' of the Japanese economy as some profess, including Japan watcher Karel van Wolferen who has said something to that effect in an interview on Dutch television.

Now nuclear energy will suffer a severe blow from this.
Together with the Arabian situation the world is moving into an energy nightmare.

The US and Holland experienced an oil embargo from the Arabs in the seventies. As a consequence we here in Holland had several 'autoloze zondagen' (car free sundays). It could easily happen that it will be 'car free sunday' soon, every day in the West (and everywhere else). The situation in Bahrain and Saudi-Arabia is much worse than the media report. The oil rich provinces in SA are located in Shiit territory.

Iran is laughing it's *** off and is asking for 'restraint'.

 

[Christian Klippel]

My German isn't up to reading that, and the BBC are not yet reporting it.

Rolfe.

Maybe this will help you a bit.

If i wouldn't as tired as i am (had to work the whole night), i would have done a better translation for you.

Greetings,

Chris

 

[Soapy Sam]

It seems odd to me that anyone would use helicopters to carry water when there must be any number of tugs with fire fighting pumps and hoses available - and an unlimited supply of water about 100metres away.

 

[Sabretooth]

14 Reasons Why the Economic Collapse of Japan Has Begun

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/economic-collapse-of-japan-has-begun.html

Average age Japan: 45, oldest in the world.
State debt: well over 200%, highest in the developed world (USA: 100%)
There will be no 'bouncing back' of the Japanese economy as some profess, including Japan watcher Karel van Wolferen who has said something to that effect in an interview on Dutch television.

Now nuclear energy will suffer a severe blow from this.
Together with the Arabian situation the world is moving into an energy nightmare.

The US and Holland experienced an oil embargo from the Arabs in the seventies. As a consequence we here in Holland had several 'autoloze zondagen' (car free sundays). It could easily happen that it will be 'car free sunday' soon, every day in the West (and everywhere else). The situation in Bahrain and Saudi-Arabia is much worse than the media report. The oil rich provinces in SA are located in Shiit territory.

Iran is laughing it's *** off and is asking for 'restraint'.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm still here. So are my coworkers.

So much is depending now on a few remaining workers at the power plant:
Last Defense at Troubled Reactors: 50 Japanese Workers



Like Spock in The Wrath of Khan.

I hope we don't end up with a giant Jimmy Carter like we did after TMI.

 

[MattusMaximus]

To be fair, Beck has actually done a pretty good job of dumbing down the actual truth about the nuke problem (to a level his typical audience would understand) and not screaming "Chernobyl".

Yeah, but that was more than outweighed by his idiotic "perhaps God is punishing Japan for not following the Ten Commandments" commentary

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

http://www.lewrockwell.com

I stopped reading after seeing this.

 

[Walter Wayne]

I hope we don't end up with a giant Jimmy Carter like we did after TMI.

TMI had nothing to do with it. It was cleaning up the 1952 accident at Chalk River that made Jimmy into the massive mutant he is.

 

[Corsair 115]

It seems odd to me that anyone would use helicopters to carry water when there must be any number of tugs with fire fighting pumps and hoses available - and an unlimited supply of water about 100metres away.

According to an interview with a retired Canadian nuclear engineer on the TVO program The Agenda aired last night, the reason for bringing in water is because they want to use fresh water to replenish the water in the spent fuel rod pool. They do not want to use saltwater for that purpose since it would corrode the spent fuel rod cladding.

I'd link to a video of the interview but the TVO web site has not, as yet, posted it.

They do have Monday night's episode available. This one features an interview with Duncan Hawthorne, who is the President and CEO of Bruce Power (which runs the nuclear plants here in the province of Ontario), talking about the Japanese situation. The page for that episode is here. I can't vouch if the video will play for those outside Canada, but give it a try.

 

[Bill Thompson]

People seem to be overlooking the upside to the earthquake, tsunami and nuclear crisis in Japan.

 

[Rolfe]

Which is?

Rolfe.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

People seem to be overlooking the upside to the earthquake, tsunami and nuclear crisis in Japan.

Some stocks have gone on sale.

 

[technoextreme]

That isn't accurate either. The explosions were not controlled to that extent, they resulted in loss of life and injury of the workers and could have damaged the containment of reactors 1 and 3 while there is still uncertainty whether or not they damaged certain parts of 2. That's why at 19:00 (JST) JAIF lists "Containment Integrity" for reactor 2 as "Suspected Damaged".
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300189582P.pdf

Still INES level 4 so no need to exaggerate in either direction when telling this story.

Actually, this isn't even accurate,