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Continuation Part 2 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Classic ad hominem, I see some folks are getting desperate when they can no longer back up their argument with....facts.

Hmm, as far as I can tell, you're not quite clear on what ad hominem means. At least that would be true if you are oblivious to the irony inherent in your accusation.

And speaking of irony, and "desperate folks" unable to back up their arguments with..."facts", my subsequent post will identify one who might seem to fit the bill.
 
I've not read one single posts in any of the Amanda Knox threads here at the JREF that bashed Ms. Mellas.

Your argument is irrelevant. That fact that you haven't read them doesn't mean they don't exist. They do exist.

Or if you're suggesting you've read every post in JREF that references Amanda Knox's mom, and that none has bashed her, then it is also a fact that you are apparently oblivious to what any decent person would consider "bashing".

Or, perhaps you don't think it's basing to call someone a pig. Good for you, then. Or, in your mind, it's not bashing to say that a mother is whoring out her daughter. Ok, fine. If that's your opinion, it will be duly noted.
 
Your argument is irrelevant. That fact that you haven't read them doesn't mean they don't exist. They do exist.

Or if you're suggesting you've read every post in JREF that references Amanda Knox's mom, and that none has bashed her, then it is also a fact that you are apparently oblivious to what any decent person would consider "bashing".

Or, perhaps you don't think it's basing to call someone a pig. Good for you, then. Or, in your mind, it's not bashing to say that a mother is whoring out her daughter. Ok, fine. If that's your opinion, it will be duly noted.

How about some evidence to back up your claims? Or is that too much to ask?
 
ere we go again

Amazer.
you can look at any free comment page about this case.
the first comment is I hope Amanda rots in jail.
And the most common is bashing her family.
Or the the pr machine that the knox hired to help defend them from the lies of the media,
That as sold lots of papers thanks to the lies that was leek to the press.
By the way I do not see any money going to the knox family from the money they made from the bad reporting about this case.
 
Amazer.
you can look at any free comment page about this case.
the first comment is I hope Amanda rots in jail.
And the most common is bashing her family.
Or the the pr machine that the knox hired to help defend them from the lies of the media,
That as sold lots of papers thanks to the lies that was leek to the press.
By the way I do not see any money going to the knox family from the money they made from the bad reporting about this case.

A link or reference to a post bashing Ms. Mellas (here on JREF) will do just fine thank you.
 
Well than it must be Frank that knows nothing about what life was like in the Soviet Union.

It seems that your inability to look at the world in more than two colours is taking over. It's always black and white with you. And if you're an adult person, which I believe you are, then you should already know, that life isn't always that way, that sometimes it's not just black and white and Frank's words are nothing else than just an expression of his feelings. If he says that something's wrong and it's like in Soviet Union, then something must be wrong indeed. It's only a matter of a being judgemental towards his opinion and I'm a judgmental free person. (even though I commented on your black and white thing).

Do you agree with Frank's opinion that the police and the prosecutor aren't doing their best job? If not, then I think, our little conversation is pointless, beacuse even the guilters did admit that the authorities failed at some points of the investigation.
 
Knox family and comments

Amazer.
Just do a google with words knox family. comments.
and do your own thing
 
Amazer.
Just do a google with words knox family. comments.
and do your own thing

Don't expect me to do the dirty work for you.

Also, we were talking specifically about comments on this site (JREF). So stop wasting time by going on about comments made outside JREF.
 
Amazer.
It seems that you want every body to do the work for you.
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:confused: Of course not! Your claim was that nothing Kercher writes can have any influence in Italy. I just pointed out your error.


By applying my brain which runs on common sense. If you're going in the direction that the jury reads nothing about the case, feel free to support it. I can only say that contrary to mine it's quite a strong and extraordinary claim to make.


And what do you think?
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Because I do not believe public opinion especially public opinion in the English speaking world will have any impact on the outcome of the appeal, once again another example of a different perspective. You clearly attach significance “Yet John Kercher still commented in a high profile, high prestige newspaper.”

One could also conclude that as a freelance journalist he might be known to UK daily newspapers directly or through professional friendships, can you accept the simplicity of this perspective?

Where do I mention influencing Italy?
 
Amazer.
It seems that you want every body to do the work for you.
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It's not upon me to find evidence for your claims.
 
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I don't agree with Mr. Kercher's characterization of the evidence in this case.

The defence lawyers are contesting the DNA evidence from the alleged murder weapon, a knife found in a drawer at Sollecito’s apartment. They say the DNA samples — Meredith’s on the tip of the blade, Knox’s on the handle — are too small to be admissible as evidence. They also argue that DNA on a clasp from Meredith’s bra, found in her room six weeks after her body was discovered, could have been contaminated.
This is disputed by the top forensics team from Rome, led by Patrizia Stefanoni, an internationally respected forensic scientist. The fact that recently, in Britain, someone was convicted on 17-year-old DNA evidence is ignored by the defence.

I don't really see how 17-year-old DNA evidence in Britain has anything to do with the DNA being "Too Low" or with the possibility of contamination in this case. I also don't agree with the characterization of Stefanoni as an internationally respected scientist.

Judge Giancarlo Massei, who presided at the trial of Knox and Sollecito, produced a 400-page report.
It is quite revealing, showing that — although Knox’s DNA and Meredith’s genetic material were found mixed together in several locations in the bathroom — much more than the DNA evidence was responsible for the decision to convict.

I don't see that the quantity of pages in the report is really representative of the quality of the report. I find the report lacking in common sense and logic.

As far as finding DNA of Amanda and Meredith in the bathroom shared by Amanda and Meredith, does he not realize that that is to be expected?

Sollecito claimed to have been working at his computer on the evening of the murder, but computer records show that it was inactive. Both Sollecito’s and Knox’s mobile phones were switched off that night.

Hopefully the appeal court will get around to the computer evidence, suffice it to say this is disputed. I wonder if Mr. Kercher is aware of this?

Knox said she turned her phone off, Raffaele said he did not. Phone companies don't track the turning on and off of phones, just if there were any incoming or outgoing transmissions.

A witness saw the couple several times in the vicinity of the cottage on the night of the killing, although they said they were at Sollecito’s home. Their alibis changed nine times, with Sollecito saying that he could not remember whether Knox was with him all evening. They even hinted at putting the blame on each other.

Who was this witness and how credible is the witness and his statements? I wonder if Mr. Kercher is aware of the drug conviction of this witness and the fact that the facts in his statements are in dispute? I am not sure what he is talking about with the "hinted at" reference, maybe he should elaborate on this a bit. I don't agree with the nine times that their alibis changed either. I remember ONE alibi. Nine does sound bad for them though. I wish he had listed the nine alibis.

There are many more factors, almost 20 in all, among them the suspicion that there may have been something ritualistic about Meredith’s death.

20, another nice number. If the other 19 are like the ritualistic thing, I wouldn't give them any credibility. Perhaps that one is the most significant or, maybe even this next one.

Sollecito was said to have Japanese manga comics that described the rape and killing of female vampires. Meredith had been dressed as a vampire to celebrate Hallowe’en.


Wow, I am convinced. How about you?
 
There are probably more than this as the search function here is not the greatest and I didn't list the ones that simply referred to Amanda's family as a clan which I believe has a somewhat negative connotation. It seems to me the main bashing of the Kerchers here recently has to do with some opinions that the motive for the civil suit was money. I see similar criticism regarding Knox/Mellas. Both families seem good at listing talking points regardless of where they came from.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5770716&postcount=5925
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5939709&postcount=12600
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5874072&postcount=8616
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5747917&postcount=5646
 
Your argument is irrelevant. That fact that you haven't read them doesn't mean they don't exist. They do exist.

Then produce them. You can't becaue they don't exist.

Wow, so many outright lies being posted lately. I see the pro-innocence people are starting to get scared. Saint Amanda of Perugia and her creepy boytoy are going to be spending the next couple of decades in prison and their cult members are starting to freak out about it.
 
There are probably more than this as the search function here is not the greatest and I didn't list the ones that simply referred to Amanda's family as a clan which I believe has a somewhat negative connotation. It seems to me the main bashing of the Kerchers here recently has to do with some opinions that the motive for the civil suit was money. I see similar criticism regarding Knox/Mellas. Both families seem good at listing talking points regardless of where they came from.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5770716&postcount=5925
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5939709&postcount=12600
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5874072&postcount=8616
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5747917&postcount=5646

None of those posts bashes Ms. Mellas, one doesn't even have to do with her.
 
People here may conclude that the father of a murdered girl would not have followed the case and considered every piece of evidence in detail. They may also conclude that he cannot possibly be as well informed as anonymous posters on a web site. They may also feel that he has no right of any opinion on the outcome of the trial and is just as misguided as every single member of the jury that reached a guilty verdict.

These same people may think, or like to give the impression, that the father of the murdered girl is driven only by avarice. Whether they put forward this idea because of their own warped idea of humanity or because they are mischievous beyond belief, I have no idea. However, I have a good idea of how these people would come across to any right minded individual wandering to this site and reading what they have to say.
 
No he doesn't. You have presented no evidence, just hearsay.

It looks like you have been presented two cites giving Raffaele's dad's testimony regarding his wealth from property he inherited when his mom died. Are you saying that the people that reported this are lying or are you saying that Raffaele's dad is lying? Here is a third cite giving the same testimony from Raffaele's dad:

http://wildgreta.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/meredith-genitori-in-aula-difendono-amanda-e-raffaele/

Di Raffaele, il padre ha sottolineato le condizioni economiche “agiate”, per avere ereditato delle proprietà dalla madre morta nel 2005, e spiegato l’abitudine del giovane a portare coltelli con la passione adolescenziale di intagliare la corteccia degli alberi.
 
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