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Merged 8.8 quake in Sendai, Japan

Rolfe said:
Seriously, if you have data that important, I'd hope you have a backup copy off-site. I understand the imperative the save something like that, but there should be no need to save it.
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right. Even something as simple as a house fire (far more common than a tsunami) is a problem there.
 
Kestrel said:
There are plenty of collapsed buildings outside the tsunami area. But I doubt they are going to find anyone alive under the debris flow.
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I don't have numbers but there have been several reports of people who survived by drifting inland with the flow of debris inside their houses and cars. Unfortunately many remains have also been found inside cars and houses.

There is also lots of footage of people who had picked one spot but had underestimated the rise of the water and were forced to seek shelter on even higher ground as the valleys where they lived steadily and rapidly filled with water. Based on the clips it is clear that not everyone was able to get out of the spot they had initially selected.
 
Bluespaceoddity said:
There is also lots of footage of people who had picked one spot but had underestimated the rise of the water and were forced to seek shelter on even higher ground as the valleys where they lived steadily and rapidly filled with water. Based on the clips it is clear that not everyone was able to get out of the spot they had initially selected.
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This video shows that clearly. I had to go back and forward a little to really get a sense of the scale, and the zooming in and out makes it tough, but once you match the road the bus that barely escapes the water at the end with it's location in the "dry" valley you suddenly realise how high the water did get.

Clearly people in this location had some warning, but you also see cars going in the wrong direction :(

 
Kestrel said:
If there are dozens of different routes to safety, you might be able to avoid it. But in a lot of cases, there will be a choke point. For example, if everyone has to drive over the same bridge to leave town.
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Well, I imagine that's what the drills were for. Once you establish that there is such a choke point, you do something to address the problem.

Like the day we had a fire drill at work, and I didn't hear the alarm, assuming it was a car alarm in the street outside. We didn't just leave it at that, we installed another alarm bell much closer to the office where I was working.

Rolfe.
 
MG1962 said:
Yeah I agree - there is only one video I have seen where it is obvious people are about to die, and thats not even center shot. Maybe the media is choosing not to show those images
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I think I saw the one you are talking about. Chopper view of water eating up the land and a roadway with moving cars in the upper right. We see the wave knock a few off the road then the camera pans downwards. The cameraman may have chosen to "look away" as there would have been dozens of occupied vehicles demolished.

Here is another short video you may have already seen. These drivers are not going to escape with their lives.
 
William Parcher said:
We don't really even see stragglers or people bolting at the last moments. Nearly all video shows no sign of humanity. Sometimes via the helicopters you can see roads leading away from the cities. For the most part they look deserted as if everybody left a long time ago.

I wonder if what we are mainly seeing is video taken 30-40 minutes after the public warnings.
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At 36 seconds into this video from Miyako, you can see drivers and pedestrians on a street moments before it will be flooded.

The photographer is in a building with an open parking area on the lower floors. This allows the tsunami to pass through the building without knocking it over.
 
angrysoba said:
he noticed there was another dog - a white one - lying beside it, not moving, apparently dead. The brown dog stood over the white one as if protecting it and then, suddenly, the white dog moved. The old guy shouted "It's alive!" and they filmed it slowly getting to its feet.

There might be some video of it somewhere if anyone cares to look.
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You can even rent it from netflix or video rental store.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084787/
 
William Parcher said:
Yes, I had pointed out this same thing yesterday. But I don't see any pedestrians - only drivers.
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can't find it now, but there was one video I saw earlier today of the wave coming in from the right of the camera and there were at least 3 people seen running from houses in the foreground up the hill. One of them looked to got their feet wet but I think just made it.
 
Belz... said:
Say, a memory card containing the sum total of everything I've worked on for the last 18 years. Stuff I can't replace, as well. Pets you can replace, though I'd grab them if I could, of course.
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Wrong. You cannot replace a pet. You can get a different pet, but you don't replace your old pet like you would replace your car or your sofa.

You've never formed a close emotional bond with a companion animal, have you?
 
23_Tauri said:
Wrong. You cannot replace a pet. You can get a different pet, but you don't replace your old pet like you would replace your car or your sofa.

You've never formed a close emotional bond with a companion animal, have you?
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I was about to say that. I think he sees the pet as an object, rather than a companion, and thus he is unable emotionally to see why people would rather drop 18 year work in the can and save their pet.
 
23_Tauri said:
Wrong. You cannot replace a pet. You can get a different pet, but you don't replace your old pet like you would replace your car or your sofa.

You've never formed a close emotional bond with a companion animal, have you?
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Reminds me of my boss, 30 years ago, relating a conversation with a client. He'd just told the man that the treatment his budgie needed would cost (say) £50. That's ridiculous, said the client, I could buy another budgie for £10. That's up to you, said my boss, but you can't have this budgie for £10.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Reminds me of my boss, 30 years ago, relating a conversation with a client. He'd just told the man that the treatment his budgie needed would cost (say) £50. That's ridiculous, said the client, I could buy another budgie for £10. That's up to you, said my boss, but you can't have this budgie for £10.

Rolfe.
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£10 for a budgie???? I can get a whole chicken in Tesco for £4! ;)
 
Aepervius said:
I was about to say that. I think he sees the pet as an object, rather than a companion
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An object that moves around and creates dust rather than accumulate it. :D

This line of thought comes from someone who goes out of his way to remove butterflies from my path when I mow the lawn, so I'm no stranger to animal compassion.

and thus he is unable emotionally to see why people would rather drop 18 year work in the can and save their pet.
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I'm quite able to see it. I just don't share it. Don't misunderstand me: if I feel I have no time to go back and get said memory card, I won't risk my life for it. But unless I can grab the cat or dog or whatever as I go, I won't go back for the pet either.
 
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