Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

Oystein said:
I am warned :)

I have full confidence that truthers can do honest and valid research. In the end, we have to evaluate their arguments, not their overall position on things.

Some "truthers" disagree with one another on analytical details, but so do some "debunkers". For example, in this very thread, Myriad argues that combustions of organic materials, for example paper, would create a significant supply of iron-rich spheres; ElMondoHummus, on the other hand, doubts that they are a byproduct of the fires.
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It is all speculation, for the most part. Dr. Frank greening, myself, and a few others had a decent sized thread on this very issue a whule back. We even ncontemplated that the hemoglobin from the 3000 dead bodies might have contributed, but the conclusion was not likely, as the potassium
Levels in the spheres would have had to have been higher....a good thread iirc.

I am betting on flyash and friction....who knows.

Notice in the other lab studies of the dust, they mention paint as a majoar component of the dust. Funny how we do not see paint listed as a major component of the dust by jones eT al.

TAM:)
 
Oystein said:
Generally, the denser and larger parts travel less far before settling than the lighter and smaller particles. I would expect to find much less iron-rich particles even only one block farther away from GZ.
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I seem to recall seeing a chart on the dust contents broken down by post-collapse locations on one of those threds way down the pile from here. I'll see if I can dig it up.
 
SPHERICAL IRON Metallic Particles in the 911 WTC Dust Found By the RJ Lee Group

Spherical IRON Metallic Particles in the 911 WTC Dust Found By the CRIMINAL FORENSICS RJ Lee Group :

The Deutsche Bank building, which was right next to the Twin Towers, was heavily contaminated by dust produced by their destruction. But Deutsche Bank's... insurance company refused to pay for the clean-up, claiming that this dust had not resulted from the destruction of the WTC. So Deutsche Bank hired the RJ Lee Group to do a study, which showed that the dust in the Deutsche Bank was WTC dust, which had a unique signature. Part of this signature was "Spherical iron . . . particles."20 This meant, the RJ Lee Group said, that iron had "melted during the 911 WTC Event, producing Spherical metallic iron particles."21 The study even showed that, whereas iron particles constitute only 0.04 percent of normal building dust, they constituted almost 6 percent of WTC Dust – meaning almost 150 times as much as normal,

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2011/03/05/the-mysterious-collapse-of-wtc-7/

http://www.rjlg.com/litigation-services/criminal-forensics.aspx
 
Yes. Proof that microspheres were liberated from the concrete during the towers collapse. The whole point of paying attention to the RJ Lee report is to note the pre- and post-collapse levels of microspheres. The pre-collapse levels demonstrate that they're ubiquitous and expected, the post-collapse ones demonstrate that they were liberated from whatever matrix was holding them, in this case the concrete. None of **** establishes that they were actually generated on September 11th. On the contrary, it's entirely consistent with concrete being destroyed and liberating more microspheres.

The only way to correlate the existence of microspheres with melting of steel on that day is to tie that in with the presence of significant amounts of molten steel. Not witness testimony of molten metals, but actual recovered resolidified steel. And guess what? None was recovered. Gee, imagine that. Oh, no, don't even try to whip out that corroded metal WPI studied; we already are aware of that, and nope, it's sulfidation erosion, not melting.

It'd behoove the truth movement to try new arguments. The old ones have already been disproven.
 
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Walkyrie, it's customary to comment on what you've posted. Or are you just going to post and run again?
 
walkyrie said:
Spherical IRON Metallic Particles in the 911 WTC Dust Found By the CRIMINAL FORENSICS RJ Lee Group :

., which had a unique signature. Part of this signature was "Spherical iron . . . particles."20 This meant, the RJ Lee Group said, that iron had "melted during the 911 WTC Event, producing Spherical metallic iron particles."21 The study even showed that, whereas iron particles constitute only 0.04 percent of normal building dust, they constituted almost 6 percent of WTC Dust – meaning almost 150 times as much as normal,

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2011/03/05/the-mysterious-collapse-of-wtc-7/

http://www.rjlg.com/litigation-services/criminal-forensics.aspx
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Typical gullible nonsense, you failed to read the report on dust done by RJ Lee. Good job cheery picking and quote mining your delusion.

Pay attention
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. The most abundant element in the earth's crust is oxygen, making up 46.6% of the earth's mass. Silicon is the second most abundant element (27.7%), followed by aluminum (8.1%), iron (5.0%), calcium (3.6%), sodium (2.8%), potassium (2.6%). and magnesium (2.1%). Reminds me of the Jones paper. Finding earth, as dust.

Why were iron spheres found, because it is abundant. In an earth moving event like 911 where there was heat energy from fires equal to over 900 TONS of TNT, and kinetic energy released more than 260 TONS of TNT, you would have, gee whiz, iron/Fe makes up most the WTC and in the cement is ash, it has iron it it, you have rock wool as insulation, guess what, Fe is in that too.

What we have is Fe close to how it occurs in the earth's crust and you post a paper filled with lies and delusions. You were fooled by idiots, not good.

As I recall the WTC were made of Fe? Imagine finding Fe in the destruction of an Fe building. Wow, you sure are on top of this issue.

Learn some science before posting lies, so you know you are spreading moronic lies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_the_chemical_elements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Elemental_abundances.svg

Next time look up what is in cement, older types of insulation, steel, and other things to keep away from producing works of failure.

You posted a paper filled with nonsensical lies, why? What moron wrote it... http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2011/03/05/the-mysterious-collapse-of-wtc-7/ David Ray Griffin, the master liar for 911 truth. David is insane and/or has zero knowledge of chemistry. 911 truth liars, fooling people who refuse to think for themselves - going on 10 years of failure.
 
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walkyrie said:
The study even showed that, whereas iron particles constitute only 0.04 percent of normal building dust, they constituted almost 6 percent of WTC Dust – meaning almost 150 times as much as normal,
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So even normal buildings which have never collapsed have signs of nanothermite? Hmmm, interesting. It is everywhere!!! :jaw-dropp
 
It's self evident that Walkyrie hasn't read the RJ Lee paper which was published in December 2003. 7 years for FFS! Instead he does what most truthers do; quote some crappy blog and then post here as if it's some sort of magical smoking gun gotcha.

The RJ Lee report has been discussed in depth so why did you choose to spam the forum with crap rather than add your own comment to an existing thread? I forgot; you're brain dead and don't have any comments of your own .:rolleyes:
 
Java Man said:
How did those microspheres become trapped in the concrete in the first place?
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When are we going to see your draft of the paper that you were going to write on 911? You said that you were going to explain it to us.
 
dafydd said:
When are we going to see your draft of the paper that you were going to write on 911? You said that you were going to explain it to us.
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Well it's going to take a while. My initial draft had to be scrapped given the good evidence you've brought forward and we've discussed in previous posts.
 
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Java Man said:
Well it's going to take a while. My initial draft had to be scrapped given the good evidence you've brought forward and we've discussed in previous posts.
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Lol. You said it would take a couple of days. You have no theory,just nitpicking at tiny details. We will never see your draft.
 
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