Assistance required for telepathy proof

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Golfy, I would suggest that you continue to see a psychiatrist while you perform your experiments. Allow me to make my case.

1. I believe it is likely you suffer from a mental disorder. Apparently coworkers in the past have also felt this way. Many psychiatrists have apparently felt that you suffer from schizophrenia. The last one you went to said you suffered from permanent delusion disorder, which you took to mean that you don't suffer from any mental disorder. At a minimum, you have one psychiatrist disagreeing with many. It is likely the one is mistaken. I would recommend getting a second ... er eleventh opinion.

2. Even if you refuse to acknowledge that you might have a mental disorder, you seem to understand that most people will view your claims this way. it's unlikely that your claims will be taken seriously if people think you need help. Therefore, preemptively seeing a psychiatrist will head off people who would try to ignore your research in order to convince you to see a psychiatrist. You will be taken more seriously if any mental conditions are already addressed.

3. Lastly, if we assume that you're telepathic and that you're mentally sound, you are planning on doing experiments with telepathy. You're basically planning on experimenting with your mind, something not very well known. It could be risky to your mental well being and it wouldn't hurt to have a psychiatrist monitoring you during these times.

Golfy, please take my suggestions seriously.
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This is good advice. I suggest you take it.

Good luck, golfy.

Bye.
 
golfy said:
Can no one see the logic that if I say to the tenth psychiatrist what I said to the other nine and he concludes the same thing as the other nine, paranoid schizophrenia, then that is no surprise.

If I then show the tenth psychiatrist some actual evidence, reasons why I think I am telepathic and he then drops the paranoid schizophrenia diagnosis to delusional disorder, then with more evidence drop it to coincidence (this is not a mental illness) then you say it is 9 versus 1. This concludes that psychiatrists can be wrong.

It is not 9 versus 1 as if the 9 were shown the same evidence that the 1 was shown, how can you say conclusively that it would not be 10 out of 10 saying that the paranoid schizophrenia diagnosis is unsound.

9 psychiatrists with little information concluding paranoid schizophrenia is not the same as 9 psychiatrists with all the info the 10th psychiatrist had. They may have and probably would have sided with logic, evidence that I showed to the 10th psychiatrist indicated that I was not a paranoid schizophrenic as explained before would not have led tem to the conclusion that I am a paranoid schizophrenic as the did with little information and no recorded evidence.

Misinformed, lack of logic and thinking being used to conclude something about me by yourselves leads me to think that if you were telepathic and were diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic 10 psychiatrists, then you would be beaten by your own mental weakness and would never prove yourself to be actually telepathic against a little misinformed logic and shaky diagnoses.

I think more than this and look deeper into the evidence and situations that any of you seems to despite my endless clue throwing, but it simply goes over your heads and you conclude the superficially obvious – Columbo’s you are not.

golfy
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I've got a better idea than trying to convince us.

Go prove it. Your becoming boring, and sounding like a broken record.

Really prove it, and we will all be eating **** about the subject, till then, your attempts at convincing by anecdote and ramble get nothing more than an eye roll.
 
Stop asking questions then -I have my poly here now - I am waiting for the Police to reply and see if they will take this further and i have written to a scientist with a PHD who investigates telepathy to ask his opinion on the cat ship test results.

I cannot prove it in one day - it may take months.

I am happy to stop writing on this forum as I am not getting anywhere teaching you how to think instead of you jumping to illogical conclusions. I use this as a test for the soundness of my reasoning - you never seem to be able to point to irregularities in my test procedure (in the time slot stated) or elsewhere.

Find something else to do and I will continue with my tests.

Unfortunately for me you have taught me nothing so far apart from you jump to illogical conclusions and think that uniformed criticism is of some value.

golfy
 
golfy said:
Stop asking questions then -I have my poly here now - I am waiting for the Police to reply and see if they will take this further and i have written to a scientist with a PHD who investigates telepathy to ask his opinion on the cat ship test results.

I cannot prove it in one day - it may take months.

I am happy to stop writing on this forum as I am not getting anywhere teaching you how to think instead of you jumping to illogical conclusions. I use this as a test for the soundness of my reasoning - you never seem to be able to point to irregularities in my test procedure (in the time slot stated) or elsewhere.

Find something else to do and I will continue with my tests.

Unfortunately for me you have taught me nothing so far apart from you jump to illogical conclusions and think that uniformed criticism is of some value.

golfy
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Again, you just ignore when it is stated then state later " You didn't address it." I point you to my post about homeopathy and poison as an explanation as to why using the lie detector is bunk.

Of course you seem right when you simply ignore all evidence that is presented to the contrary.

You know what would go a long way to at least establishing you arn't a crank, get a video of you with the police and the lie detector, have them state their identifying information, why they are there and show that you are there.

But like any other proof beyond your ramblings, this will not surface. You will find a way to ignore it, and the world will yawn, and what is obviously an attempt to gain attention.

Nobody is interested in your ramblings, proof, well documented, at various stages, we are. But sitting here watching you say " I am right." and attempt to assert this by anecdote , is boring as hell.

It doesn't matter how much you say you are getting a phd, or the police, etc. It matters how much you can prove, nothing less than a video with contact information for the person given, would convince me at this point that there is any truth to what your saying. As you have came off as another person who is either mentally ill or having a laugh.

Feel free to prove me wrong though, can't wait to see how that works out for you.
 
Prove your telepathy or stop wasting people's time. No one cares about your delusions that there is a conspiracy to suppress you. The idea doesn't even make sense: if you discovered you were telepathic 15 years ago, how could there be a conspiracy already in place to deny it? No, the idea is ridiculous. Put up or shut up.
 
To Sledge,

I discovered I was telepathic 15 years ago meant that “I discovered I was telepathic 15 years ago”.

Does this not make sense to you.

I sense some anger in the forum now – do you not like a person that you can’t beat into submission to make yourselves feel better.

I am not wasting your time – you are wasting your own time by choosing to be on a forum you consider to be a waste of time.

Now that you have still not thought about my first statement Sledge, I shall enlighten you.

I discovered I was telepathic 15 years means exactly that – it also means that unless I suddenly became telepathic 15 years ago then I must have been telepathic already but no one mentioned it. Actually a long time before that my father told me when I was a child that I “had a transmitter in my head”. I thought that he meant one that I could be picked up on the radio. I tested this theory and nothing happened on the radio – I was after all only a child – how was I to know.

I have memories of unusual experiences that go back to when I was four years old which I am totally convinced were due to the fact that I am telepathic. This explains that there was a cover up in place already when I “discovered I was telepathic 15 years ago”.

Please stop writing to me, you are making yourselves look increasing inept at being able to think logically or ask reasonable questions – all you do is make ridiculous conclusions and put them in print for me to shoot down.

Please desist or learn how to be rational.

golfy
 
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golfy said:
To Sledge,

I discovered I was telepathic 15 years ago meant that “I discovered I was telepathic 15 years ago”.

Does this not make sense to you.

I sense some anger in the forum now – do you not like a person that you can’t beat into submission to make yourselves feel better.

I am not wasting your time – you are wasting your own time by choosing to be on a forum you consider to be a waste of time.

Now that you have still not thought about my first statement, I shall enlighten you.

I discovered I was telepathic 15 years means exactly that – it also means that unless I suddenly became telepathic 15 years ago then I must have been telepathic already but no one mentioned it. Actually a long time before that my father told me when I was a child that I “had a transmitter in my head”. I thought that he meant one that could be picked up on the radio. I tested this theory and nothing happened on the radio – I was after all only a child – how was I to know.

I have memories of unusual experiences that go back to when I was four years old which I am totally convinced were due to the fact that I am telepathic. This explains that there was a cover up in place already when I “discovered I was telepathic 15 years ago”.

Please stop writing to me, you are making yourselves look increasing inept at being able to think logically or ask reasonable questions – all you do is make ridiculous conclusions and put them in print for me to shoot down.

Please desist or learn how to be rational.

golfy
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Put up or shut up please.

more rambling is not convincing anyone. You have 2 years worth of posts that would show you what would convince us, do it, or realize that you have constructed an elaborate fantasy for yourself that your afraid of crumbling by putting it to a real test.
 
You have 2 years worth of posts that would show you what would convince us, do it, or realize that you have constructed an elaborate fantasy for yourself that your afraid of crumbling by putting it to a real test.
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I use the forum to test myself. I have already stated
I am waiting for the Police to reply and see if they will take this further and i have written to a scientist with a PHD who investigates telepathy to ask his opinion on the cat ship test results.
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If the Police consider on Monday that more tests should be carried out to determine if I am correct or actually totally misinformed then that will be the next opportunity for me to do another test, hopefully under more strictly controlled circumstances.

I have also written to Dr ***** and am awaiting his reply – he may consider me as an interesting test subject for his research into telepathy or he may not. Untill he replies I cannot do anything on a Saturday night.

I will post results as I get them – I cannot do more tonight or for the near future – perhaps days or weeks. This is a discussion forum – I am discussing.

If I could do more tests today than I would but I am working on my own company which takes up most of my time so I have little time for experiments. I have not even checked out the poly is working on all channels yet but will do so soon.

I did not expect to prove I am telepathic on a forum – did you – all I did was post my latest result after a few years absence from the forum for your interest – more than any of you have achieved in getting closer to winning the $1M – and all I got a lot of lame duck abuse which I knocked out of the park.

If you don’t want me to answer, STOP ASKING!

golfy
 
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golfy said:
I am not interested in conjecture about future result possibilities.

I will conduct more tests and post results. These will be either police trials (that may take weeks to do) or other tests with volunteers.

Suffice to say that every time I have done an electronic "this will get around your ability to lie" test then I have got the results that show I am telepathic.

golfy
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No. It does not suffice to say that. You have made extraordinary claims with no supporting evidence.

We're supposed to take your word for it or something?
 
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The logically thought out, C/S test should give me the correct results of being able to work out the card that the RX has if the assumption is made that I am telepathic and the other person can hear me. It will never work accurately and be repeatable if the other person can hear nothing.

I then implemented in real life the C/S test and it worked as expected. 3 LEDs on one answer versus 18 LEDs on he other question. This is some form of evidence, not conclusive but more than just simple words on a forum.

If you had achieved these results yourself with another person would you be looking forward to the next ten tests or be saying to yourself "That was no proof or indication of anything at all and so would not be worth doing ever again as it would never be able to be used to prove anything" or would be thinking that you may have found a way of proving telepathy if it is repeatable?

If you had done the CS test yourself and obtained the same readings and used those readings to predict the correct word, then you would be excited to try it again as you would have seen meaning in the results. You would be excited to try it again as if it was repeatable then you would be on your way to $1M.

This is not "NO" supporting evidence or you would not be excited to try it again. It is not 100% evidence but I would be surprised to hear truthfully that you would not want to have done something like this in a $1M challenge. If you had would you then throw it away and never try it again.

In your head you would know that it was not a coin toss, but a conclusion drawn from measuring another persons physiological response that enabled you to work out which card they had once you have thought to them about which card you had.

golfy
 
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I'll just leave this here.

Challenge FAQ section 2.6:
Issue 3: You didn’t used to have this rule. Why do you have it now?

Response: The JREF has spent valuable time and resources investigating claims that were submitted by people who were obviously suffering from a mental ailment. These people need medical help, not encouragement. By requiring media presence, the JREF ensures that only those people who make an impact on society will be tested, and the individuals who are mentally ill receive no encouragement to continue their delusions.
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Seems more relevant than what I quoted last night. Mea culpa.

I wish golfy well and hope he agrees to whatever treatment is appropriate.
 
golfy, you're not making any sense. You make statements, and then when people ask questions about those statements you insist they don't understand. So make us understand. Explain yourself. Start by answering my simple question: why is it more likely that there is a conspiracy to suppress the knowledge of your telepathic power than that you suffer from an illness that nine doctors have diagnosed you with?
 
golfy, let me spell out where we are.

There are three possible explanations for your belief that you are telepathic and other people can hear your thoughts.

1. You really are telepathic and other people really can hear your thoughts

2. Confirmation bias is leading you to mistake coincidence for a paranormal ability

3. You are schizophrenic

The belief that other people can hear your thoughts is a known symptom of schizophrenia, which is why that possibility is on the list, but many people with this belief are in category (2). They are mentally healthy, but honestly mistaken.

All previous attempts by people who believed they were telepathic to prove that they are in category (1) have only ever ended up proving that they are in category (2) or (3), which is why we strongly doubt that you will be the first person to prove otherwise. The only way you can remove that doubt is to provide some convincing evidence that you are in category (1), which you certainly haven't done yet.

Of the ten psychiatrists you have consulted, nine have concluded that you are in category (3) and one - the one to whom you revealed the "evidence" you have collected so far - concluded that you are in category (2). It's entirely possible that if the other nine psychiatrists had known about the experiments you are conducting they would also have concluded that you are in category (2). But the fact remains that you have yet to convince anyone that you are in category (1).

By all means continue your experiments and discuss them here, this is a good place to get excellent advice as to how to design such experiments to carefully eliminate all the many ways mentally healthy people can inadvertantly fool themselves into believing something that isn't true. But don't expect the attitude to your claims here to change until you have some real evidence to show us. We've seen far too many people making the same claims come and go without ever doing so to hold out much hope you will prove to be the first ever exception.
 
golfy said:
The logically thought out, C/S test should give me the correct results of being able to work out the card that the RX has if the assumption is made that I am telepathic and the other person can hear me. It will never work accurately and be repeatable if the other person can hear nothing.

I then implemented in real life the C/S test and it worked as expected. 3 LEDs on one answer versus 18 LEDs on he other question. This is some form of evidence, not conclusive but more than just simple words on a forum.

If you had achieved these results yourself with another person would you be looking forward to the next ten tests or be saying to yourself "That was no proof or indication of anything at all and so would not be worth doing ever again as it would never be able to be used to prove anything" or would be thinking that you may have found a way of proving telepathy if it is repeatable?

If you had done the CS test yourself and obtained the same readings and used those readings to predict the correct word, then you would be excited to try it again as you would have seen meaning in the results. You would be excited to try it again as if it was repeatable then you would be on your way to $1M.

This is not "NO" supporting evidence or you would not be excited to try it again. It is not 100% evidence but I would be surprised to hear truthfully that you would not want to have done something like this in a $1M challenge. If you had would you then throw it away and never try it again.

In your head you would know that it was not a coin toss, but a conclusion drawn from measuring another persons physiological response that enabled you to work out which card they had once you have thought to them about which card you had.

golfy
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No real names, vague details, and a bunch more assertions that is not evidence. Your doing the exact opposite of convincing anyone with this rambling.

Come back with some evidence golfy, we don't get convinced by stories of random internet posters around here.

You've had 2 years to come up with some proof brother, and your still just talking. Not very impressive at all.
 
I have been doing some thinking forum and Pixel42.

If it assumed that a poly is 98% accurate (which it has been measured to be), then one cat ship test would give a 98% accurate indication of whether the receiver can hear me telepathically or not i.e. if I had used a poly to do the cat ship test with the Doctor, then I would be 98% certain that she can hear my brain with just one test – not the same as a coin toss is it?

What needs to be worked out is the potential error rate of a single channel of a poly (the GSR channel) giving the same result as I obtained. i.e. a 3 reading on one answer and a 18 reading on the other answer. The GSR was off the scale as it only goes to 18 and took a while to come down again meaning that it went significantly above 18 – perhaps to 25 or 30.

I need to talk to a poly operator to ascertain how valid the GSR readings I obtained was compared to using a poly.

If the GSR has a high percentage probability of detecting a lie, say 80%, then one test would indicate 80% certainty that the Doctor can hear me telepathically.

This is not
Either way it's clear that golfy doesn't have any telepathic ability
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is it Pixel42? It is the percentage accuracy that the GSR would be under those conditions which may be very high.

It may be that the GSR was 100% accurate in this case – maybe not but surely very high probability that it was detecting the correct answer. Therefore it is a very high probability that the Doctor can hear me telepathically as I know that the high reading cannot be generated on that GSR by manipulation alone – perhaps 5 or 8 LEDs, certainly not off the scale past 18 without it being real stress from a lie that caused it.

If a poly is used on the next test, then one test would be 98% certainty that she can hear my brain, two tests would be 99.96% accurate if the correct word was stated by the observing the poly results, three correct poly derived predictions would be 99.999% certain that I am telepathic etc.

I shall use my poly as soon as I can and will update with results.

I am not saying that the GSR test is proof. I am just updating the forum with logical conclusions about the results obtained and potential future results.

This not an uneducated knee jerk reaction statement born from lack of understanding from Pixel42.

golfy
 
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golfy said:
I have been doing some thinking forum and Pixel42.

If it assumed that a poly is 98% accurate (which it has been measured to be),
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I strenuously challenge this claim. Where has it been measured to be 98% accurate (and accurate at measuring what)?
 
OK,

An 80% accuracy poly - it make mistakes 20% of the time i.e. it only gets 4 out of 5 tests correct. Surely a poly is better than this. If so then we can assume the worst case scenario of 80% accuracy.

If the poly got 8 out of a sequence of 10 "cat ship tests" correct when predicting cat or ship (80% accuracy), then statistically that would be 99.9996% certainty that the receiver can hear me telepathically.

And Akenaten - if you read the posts, you will see that I do have a poly.

golfy
 
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