Racist partially right?

Andrew Oldenquist pointed out that the whole race and IQ discussion is pointless. Even if there is a 10-15 point IQ difference between Whites and Blacks in the USA it would do very little to explain the educational and social disparity. So would racism -- other groups suffer from racism too and succeed.

Someone who is slightly less bright than average and meets some racists need not become a drug addict in the "projects". Millions of Blacks are in the middle class; are they all bright? Have they all never met racism?

No, the real reason many Blacks fail is neither low intelligence nor racism, even if either or both are true, but the lack of socialization -- the life without a stable community and family, to say nothing of things like a work ethic or concern for the community at large. This is what middle class Blacks have, and the Black underclass lacks.
 
Another point is that racists won't stop being racists even if it is proven conclusively Blacks have on average a higher IQ than Whites. Jews are commonly thought to be smarter than average (correctly or not). Yeah, a whole lot of good that did us! All it gets you is accusations of "secretly controlling the world", etc. It won't matter what the IQ difference is, if any; it would be used as an excuse for pre-conceived hatred.
 
It's not biology it's upbringing and attitude towards problem solving. People do differently based on how they are brought up and how their education is orientated.

I think it's to do with the society you are from and their attitude towards education. You sit around doing puzzles all day then you become good at solving IQ tests. In the same way that kids who play basketball regularly tend to produce NBA players. I think it is a learnt response and we don't take into account socio-economic statuses of people.

Most asians are pretty well off in the USA (I bet you mean Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese rather than Indian/Pakistani/Bangladesh/Sri-Lanka) and so encourage their kids to study a lot more. As a group they have more money to encourage the kind of intellectual improvement classes such as music and indeed tuitions that other groups don't encourage. They also have a huge drive to perform ingrained in the society and a big drive on education. Hence the higher IQs.

It's the same in Jewish societies and indeed Indian societies.
 
Avicenna said:
It's not biology it's upbringing and attitude towards problem solving. People do differently based on how they are brought up and how their education is orientated.
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NWO babble designed to prepare for a borderless world, which fortunately is not going to happen. It is biology. Your non-argument is a chicken-egg argument. Their 'upbringing' and 'attitude towards problem solving' is a consequence of their limited abilities. When I was a lefty idealistic student I worked in Africa on a project aimed at handing over technology. It was hopeless. They do not pick up anything. When I returned to Europe I became a yuppie instead. Trying to turn Africa into a technological society is like trying to turn a South Pole pinguin colony into producing microchips. Not going to happen.

I think it's to do with the society you are from and their attitude towards education. You sit around doing puzzles all day then you become good at solving IQ tests. In the same way that kids who play basketball regularly tend to produce NBA players. I think it is a learnt response and we don't take into account socio-economic statuses of people.
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Again chicken and egg. Africans have no incentive to 'solve puzzles' all day long because they can't. And it is wrong to assume you can increase your IQ significantly by doing tests or puzzles.

Most asians are pretty well off in the USA (I bet you mean Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese rather than Indian/Pakistani/Bangladesh/Sri-Lanka) and so encourage their kids to study a lot more. As a group they have more money to encourage the kind of intellectual improvement classes such as music and indeed tuitions that other groups don't encourage. They also have a huge drive to perform ingrained in the society and a big drive on education. Hence the higher IQs.
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No, it is the other way around. Asians have an equal or even higher IQ than Europeans, let alone Euro-Americans (but at the same time they display a high degree of conformity, lowering their creativity). And that is the reason why they value intellectual education. But nobody beats the Jews when is comes to verbal IQ (as a result of a process that can be seen as applied eugenics) and hence the events in 20th century. Just like a few million IQ100 Europeans could colonize hundreds of millions of IQ70-80 3rd worlders, a few million of IQ115 Jews can mentally/spiritually rule hundreds of millions of IQ97 Russians and Americans with ideology (bolshevism/multiculturalism).
 
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9/11-investigator said:
NWO babble designed to prepare for a borderless world, which fortunately is not going to happen. It is biology. Your non-argument is a chicken-egg argument.
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I see that you have time to post in this thread, but not the time to respond to criticisms of Lynn's methodology and conclusions.

Again chicken and egg. Africans have no incentive to 'solve puzzles' all day long because they can't. And it is wrong to assume you can increase your IQ significantly by doing tests or puzzles.
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If you think IQ is all down to biology, then I suppose you have an explanation for the Flynn effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

You should publish a paper on general intellignece (g) and the ability of IQ tests to measure a purely biological property.

What I do know is that you're not qualified to tell us what a culturally neutral IQ test would look like. Your previous attempt was to give a sequence of numbers so ingrained in our culture that it has a name:

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Do you really think that counting from 1..100 only has meaning within a 'white, christian, middle class context'?

No?

So why can't we ask a, say black African, who can count from 1..100 (most can) to guess what figure comes next?

1, 4, 9, 16, ...
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I guess you think you're smart because you know the next number in this sequence, too:

1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, ....

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IQ tests, remember, are generally against the clock. So familiarity with the above sequences is obviously a factor.
 
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I think that the whole mess loks especially absurd when the authors of the bogus IQ ratings put Ethiopians at 63 and other Africans higher.

Ethiopia was an advanced culture while Europeans were still painting their naked asses blue and chucking spears at each other.
 
leftysergeant said:
I think that the whole mess loks especially absurd when the authors of the bogus IQ ratings put Ethiopians at 63 and other Africans higher.

Ethiopia was an advanced culture while Europeans were still painting their naked asses blue and chucking spears at each other.
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Rome more than 2000 years ago:
http://www.screensaverfiles.com/image/Around+the+World+Rome.png

Show us the 'splendor' of Ethiopia of that time. Of any time.
It did not exist. It is a losing lefty multiculti NWO lie invented by the Jews and picked up by the losers of the white race.

It were the Ethiopians who never did anything but 'chucking spears' at each other.
 
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Ethiopia was Christian before it was even legal to be a Christian in Rome. They had their own alphabet before most of Europe had even figured out that they needed one.
 
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Ethiopia was Christian before it was even legal to be a Christian in Rome.
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You consider being a Christian as a sure sign of 'being advanced'? Getting a blow on your left cheek and than courageously showing the other one to get another blow? Christianity is a religion for sissies and cowards (provided they take that religion seriously). Rome turning Christian was a sure sign of decay, a step towards it's demise.

They had their own alphabet before most of Europe had even figured out that they needed one.
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Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge'ez_script

Time 5th-6th c. BC to the present
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Latin

Its alphabet, the Latin alphabet, emerged from the Old Italic alphabets, which in turn were derived from the Greek and Phoenician scripts. Historical Latin came from the prehistoric language of the Latium region, specifically around the River Tiber, where Roman civilization first developed.
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In other words, you are plain wrong. And a few inscriptions in Ge'ez cannot compete with the vast body of literature from the Old World. I doubt that such a thing as Ethiopian literature exists at all. It does not.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia#Prehistory

In 316 AD, a Christian philosopher from Tyre, Meropius, embarked on a voyage of exploration along the coast of Africa. He was accompanied by, among others, two Syro-Greeks, Frumentius and his brother Aedesius. The vessel was stranded on the coast, and the natives killed all the travelers except the two brothers, who were taken to the court and given positions of trust by the monarch. They both practiced the Christian faith in private, and soon converted the queen and several other members of the royal court.
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Christianity was imported from the Roman world to these Africans. It was not their accomplishment. In fact you cannot mention a single autonomous cultural accomplishment, except for maybe the penis sheath.
 
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The above comment about a police department lowering it's aptitude test requirements to accommodate lower-scoring Black applicants...

Here in St. Louis, you have to live in the city to be on the police department. That means that most all the Black applicants will have come from the notorious St. Louis public school system, which is and has been in such disarray for so long that it's the source of constant lurid reporting in the local papers.
The state decertified the whole shebang a while ago, and tossed out the school board, who refused to yield, setting up an alternate school board that competed with the state-appointed board.... And so on.
So....How are we gauging this disparity in intelligence again?
 
9/11-investigator said:
Rome more than 2000 years ago:


Show us the 'splendor' of Ethiopia of that time. Of any time.
It did not exist. It is a losing lefty multiculti NWO lie invented by the Jews and picked up by the losers of the white race.

It were the Ethiopians who never did anything but chuck spears each other.
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Nubian Dynasty, Egypt was ruled by Nubian Pharaohs who are undeniably black dudes in the 25th dynasty after the Empire of Egypt lost to the Ethiopians. There were also the kingdoms of Kerma, Kush and Meroe who were pretty big hitters throughout history prior to christianity.

In the west we have a biased history of the world where we forget that there were other cultures around at the same time as the various big ones. We forget the Indus Valley for the Chinese civilisations and we forget that there were large empires in Africa around the same time there were ones in Egypt.

Lest we forget spear chucking was the best way to create empires until a few centuries ago. It was pretty much how the Romans built their empire except they were white. Manufacture of bows is reliant on timber in the region and even the romans preferred to throw spears for a fairly long time.

There are very few cultural inventions which we can accurately pinpoint. The aztec had the wheel but they had no animals to pull their carts so they used it as a toy or for pottery. Yet at the same period the entirity of Asia maintained a massive trade route via the use of the wheel. Numbers are another one, Roman Numberals were quite finicky so lots of cultures adopted indian numbers with modifications since decimalised digits lets you do math faster than symbols. Stating an empire's only achievements are due to the unique cultural things it gave humanity is kind of daft. Then we would have to teach our children Pre-Cortez American History because nearly a third of our food comes from just one cultural area. We would be teaching more of Indian culture since the mathematics that we use isn't greek, its arab which in turn gained it's math from India. Steel manufacture? Again Indian since it's where the Muslim's learnt how to make their funky steel during the middle ages which had the same mythical properties we assign to samurai swords today. If I go into surgery (medical student) then a large amount of my scalpels will be a product of technological advances either to an Indian invention (wootz steel which became Damascus and finally Toledo and Sheffield steel) or due to Aztec stone age technology if I chose to use an obsidian scalpel.

Human society has always been about transmission of ideas and usage of ideas in different ways. One man sees a lever for breaking rocks, the other man sees a device for throwing burning balls of sulphur at people he does not like. History is about learning about the men who threw balls of sulphur but not the man who broke rocks because more people write about the douchebags who throw burning sulphur than the men who just wants to break rocks.
 
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Nubian Dynasty, Egypt was ruled by Nubian Pharaohs who are undeniably black dudes in the 25th dynasty after the Empire of Egypt lost to the Ethiopians. There were also the kingdoms of Kerma, Kush and Meroe who were pretty big hitters throughout history prior to christianity.

In the west we have a biased history of the world where we forget that there were other cultures around at the same time as the various big ones. We forget the Indus Valley for the Chinese civilisations and we forget that there were large empires in Africa around the same time there were ones in Egypt.

Lest we forget spear chucking was the best way to create empires until a few centuries ago. It was pretty much how the Romans built their empire except they were white. Manufacture of bows is reliant on timber in the region and even the romans preferred to throw spears for a fairly long time.

There are very few cultural inventions which we can accurately pinpoint. The aztec had the wheel but they had no animals to pull their carts so they used it as a toy or for pottery. Yet at the same period the entirity of Asia maintained a massive trade route via the use of the wheel. Numbers are another one, Roman Numberals were quite finicky so lots of cultures adopted indian numbers with modifications since decimalised digits lets you do math faster than symbols. Stating an empire's only achievements are due to the unique cultural things it gave humanity is kind of daft. Then we would have to teach our children Pre-Cortez American History because nearly a third of our food comes from just one cultural area. We would be teaching more of Indian culture since the mathematics that we use isn't greek, its arab which in turn gained it's math from India. Steel manufacture? Again Indian since it's where the Muslim's learnt how to make their funky steel during the middle ages which had the same mythical properties we assign to samurai swords today. If I go into surgery (medical student) then a large amount of my scalpels will be a product of technological advances either to an Indian invention (wootz steel which became Damascus and finally Toledo and Sheffield steel) or due to Aztec stone age technology if I chose to use an obsidian scalpel.

Human society has always been about transmission of ideas and usage of ideas in different ways. One man sees a lever for breaking rocks, the other man sees a device for throwing burning balls of sulphur at people he does not like. History is about learning about the men who threw balls of sulphur but not the man who broke rocks because more people write about the douchebags who throw burning sulphur than the men who just wants to break rocks.
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... I was going to reply to my favorite nn toy but this was brilliant. Bravo & welcome to the forums.

(Aw who am I kidding? Hey, 9/11 remember me? Black guy... Married to a relative of Eichmann?... Muhahaha.)
 
Avicenna said:
Nubian Dynasty, Egypt was ruled by Nubian Pharaohs who are undeniably black dudes in the 25th dynasty after the Empire of Egypt lost to the Ethiopians. There were also the kingdoms of Kerma, Kush and Meroe who were pretty big hitters throughout history prior to christianity.
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Fine. Show us how 'pretty big hitters' they were. Show us cultural accomplishments that come even remotely close to this.

In the west we have a biased history of the world where we forget that there were other cultures around at the same time as the various big ones.

We forget the Indus Valley for the Chinese civilisations and we forget that there were large empires in Africa around the same time there were ones in Egypt.
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I acknowledge the greatness of Chinese civilization, not of the African ones.

Lest we forget spear chucking was the best way to create empires until a few centuries ago. It was pretty much how the Romans built their empire except they were white. Manufacture of bows is reliant on timber in the region and even the romans preferred to throw spears for a fairly long time.
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You really want to reduce Roman civilization to the usage of spears? Don't do this to yourself!

There are very few cultural inventions which we can accurately pinpoint.
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That's true in the case of Africa.

Numbers are another one, Roman Numberals were quite finicky so lots of cultures adopted indian numbers with modifications since decimalised digits lets you do math faster than symbols.
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Roman numbers are still used if you want to add some dignity to chapter titles.

Stating an empire's only achievements are due to the unique cultural things it gave humanity is kind of daft. Then we would have to teach our children Pre-Cortez American History because nearly a third of our food comes from just one cultural area.
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1/3?! You mean the potato and tobacco? The natives certainly did not invent these goodies, mother nature did. It certainly was not brought to Europe by the natives.

We would be teaching more of Indian culture since the mathematics that we use isn't greek, its arab which in turn gained it's math from India.
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I would not call mere counting 'mathematics'. Any mathematics worth it's name is Greek/Euclidean.

Steel manufacture? Again Indian since it's where the Muslim's learnt how to make their funky steel during the middle ages which had the same mythical properties we assign to samurai swords today. If I go into surgery (medical student) then a large amount of my scalpels will be a product of technological advances either to an Indian invention (wootz steel which became Damascus and finally Toledo and Sheffield steel) or due to Aztec stone age technology if I chose to use an obsidian scalpel.
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Keep suggesting that 'Indian' achievements means black achievements. It is not. It was Aryan.
 
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Bikewer said:
The above comment about a police department lowering it's aptitude test requirements to accommodate lower-scoring Black applicants...
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Which, according to 9/11 Investigator, is evidence that soon Brasil will become the #1 nation in the Americas. Because the USA apparently has too many Blacks.

As opposed to... Brazil?????????

:confused::confused::confused:
 
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Fine. Show us how 'pretty big hitters' they were. Show us cultural accomplishments that come even remotely close to this.
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You can do all sorts of things if you have enough slave labor, I guess.

There are two factors which allow a culture to flourish:

1. Reources to support a large population

2. Contact with other cultures to challenge and inspire each other.

Rome sat right on top of the major trade routes and had fod to feed millions.

Given that the available plant secies in Africa, such as teff, sorghum and millet were hard to cultivate in quantities without dense populations, it is not a particular surprise that it took some time for farming to become really important compared to herding cattle. That they were able to build citiews at all attests to their enginuity.

That they had the creativity that sets humans apart is clear to anyone who knows the least thing about African music.

Even in the places where they did not have time to develop instruments to replace those they acquired from Mesopotamia, they still had their voices. The rich harmonies of the Southern Bantu sing a dirge for your racist crap about their inate mental inferiority.
 
leftysergeant said:
You can do all sorts of things if you have enough slave labor, I guess.

There are two factors which allow a culture to flourish:

1. Reources to support a large population

2. Contact with other cultures to challenge and inspire each other.

Rome sat right on top of the major trade routes and had fod to feed millions.

Given that the available plant secies in Africa, such as teff, sorghum and millet were hard to cultivate in quantities without dense populations, it is not a particular surprise that it took some time for farming to become really important compared to herding cattle. That they were able to build citiews at all attests to their enginuity.

That they had the creativity that sets humans apart is clear to anyone who knows the least thing about African music.

Even in the places where they did not have time to develop instruments to replace those they acquired from Mesopotamia, they still had their voices. The rich harmonies of the Southern Bantu sing a dirge for your racist crap about their inate mental inferiority.
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That is a long way to show that you cannot bring anything forward to show us why they were such 'pretty big hitters'. Fortunately they 'still had their voices'. What a crap.
 
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