General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[IDB87]

err...this is bad.....how exactly?



you know, I'm almost 100% convinced you know very well that there are passages in the Koran that say positive things about the Jews. I'm right aren't I?

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Really?

I mean honestly...?

and what about the many many many many many many passages in the Quran that say the Jews should be treated fairly?

I give you one, and you think I'm quoting it because it says to treat Jews poorly.



Anyways Thunder, I posted one. You claim there are 'many many' others. Go ahead and post one (it's your claim, after all).

 

[bikerdruid]

Muslims aren't walking Korans Parky.

really?
a lot of christians are 'walking bibles'.

 

[Thunder]

Anyways Thunder, I posted one. You claim there are 'many many' others. Go ahead and post one (it's your claim, after all).

here ya go:

The Cow 2:61- "Believers, Jews, Sabateans- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right- shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear or to regret".

 

[Virus]

really?
a lot of christians are 'walking bibles'.

No they aren't. It would be impossible to follow every dot and comma of the bible.

 

[Thunder]

No they aren't. It would be impossible to follow every dot and comma of the bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

 

[Virus]

here ya go:

The Cow 2:61- "Believers, Jews, Sabateans- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right- shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear or to regret".

Please go and inform Hamas leadership in Syria that the Jews are their brothers and they're doing it all wrong.

 

[Thunder]

Please go and inform Hamas leadership in Syria that the Jews are their brothers and they're doing it all wrong.

I don't speak to war criminals. Perhaps you shall take up the challenge?

I know you can do it.

 

[IDB87]

here ya go:

The Cow 2:61- "Believers, Jews, Sabateans- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does what is right- shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear or to regret".

Nothing to smile about yet Thunder.

Here are some more passages about who goes to heaven (or, who doesn't).

The Family of Imran 3:85 And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

The Table Spread 5:72 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

So, is the Quran right, or is the Quran wrong?

 

[Thunder]

Nothing to smile about yet Thunder.

 

[Virus]

I think it might make more sense to look at what Hamas say rather than what holy books from centuries ago say.

 

[Thunder]

I think it might make more sense to look at what Hamas say rather than what holy books from centuries ago say.

why is that?

why can't we accept the words of yapping trees & rocks as truth, and just leave it at that?

are you doubting/questioning those who claim the Hamas Covenant is great evidence of Hamas' intentions?

 

[Virus]

why is that?

why can't we accept the words of yapping trees & rocks as truth, and just leave it at that?

are you doubting/questioning those who claim the Hamas Covenant is great evidence of Hamas' intentions?

I'm pretty sure Hamas wrote their own charter.

 

[Thunder]

I'm pretty sure Hamas wrote their own charter.

shocking

 

[WildCat]

http://imeu.net/news/article0016292.shtml
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...During-Gaza-Offensive/Article/200903315245946

Can you quote the part where it says these shirts were popular? I'm having trouble locating it. I'm sure you didn't just make it up, right?

 

[Skeptic]

And the denial is astonishing. In a skeptics forum where presumably everyone knows not to trust the cultist offering the kool-aid, we see outright denial that these people really say what they say, then denial that what they say should be taken seriously, then denial that what they say applies to the ordinary people. These religious extremists are already killing in the name of their religion, have been for years, and yet the deniers claim they wouldn't.

That's because in this case, the kool-aid drinkers merely want to slaugher a few million Jews, so it's not nice to get all worked up over that.

 

[Mycroft]

here is a t shirt that was popular with israeli soldiers a couple of years ago...
killing a pregnant palestinian woman was a great deal....

Here is something for you to ponder:

On one side someone makes a really awful inappropriate joke about killing women and children and it causes public outrage.

On the other side, woman and children are really targeted. When they are successful in killing them, there is open celebration, candy is given to children, there is dancing in the streets, and the perpetrators are celebrated and promoted.

I prefer to support the side where joking about killing women and children causes public outrage.

 

[Skeptic]

Can you quote the part where it says these shirts were popular? I'm having trouble locating it. I'm sure you didn't just make it up, right?

That shirt is not only "not popular", there probably weren't 30 copies of it printed.

In the IDF, people who finish a course traditionally buy a "course shirt" -- only for those who finished that particular course at that particular time in a particular platoon. Such shirts are traditionally full of infantile gallows humor, typical of 19-year-olds in the army. One combat engineers' course I've seen had a paratrooper going down meeting a course's graduate going up (after an explosion). This shirt no more shows an actual desire to shoot Palestinian babies than that shirt an actual desire to get blown up.

I disagree with Mycroft slightly about the Israeli reaction being one of outrage. Many were outraged, yes, but the average Israeli thought this shirt is too infantile and tasteless to even be worth outrage, much like one isn't outraged by a four-year-old using a "bad word". His reaction was that of eye rolling: "well, sniper course X sure had its share of prize idiots".

It makes about as much sense to use such a shirt to "prove" anything about Israel than to use a tasteless illustration on a graduation shirt of some small middle school from 1992 to "prove" America is deeply racist. Oh wait -- far-left loons regularly do that, too, don't they? Meanwhile, mass rallies shouting "death to the Jews", or a constitution that tells of the happy day when Allah will kill them all, somehow show abolustuely nothing about racism to these folks...

 

[Virus]

If Israel was a socialist state headed by a fat, blustering autocrat that seized property and ranted about America (like Hugo Chavez) would the commies and lefties stop their campaign of hate?

 

[angrysoba]

If Israel was a socialist state headed by a fat, blustering autocrat that seized property and ranted about America (like Hugo Chavez) would the commies and lefties stop their campaign of hate?

You mean it isn't?

 

[Mycroft]

Gaza is occupied.

That is your claim. Back it up. Quote the parts of the Hague Conventions or the Geneva Conventions that define "occupation", then show how the current situation fits it.

What's revisionism is pretending that removing the settlements from Gaza ended the occupation.

Maybe it would be if I were making that claim. It was the removal of Israeli troops that ended the occupation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5122404.stm



So Gaza is still under occupation. Revisionism is disgusting, shame on you.

I'm glad we agree that revisionism is disgusting, that will come in handy later on. Right now I'll point out the BBC is not making a claim on the status of Gaza, it is only reporting that it has not been "internationally accepted". The internationals who don't accept it are deniers like you.

Are you up to denying that the Israeli government runs the lives of people who...blah, blah, blah...

Irrelevant, because it's not part of the definition of "occupation".

I said 'effectively'.
Morally, the West Bank is Palestinian. Legally, I reckon, the West Bank is Palestinian. But they don't have control of the land. Israel controls the land. So 'effectively' the West Bank is Israeli.

The fault of their leadership. Had Arafat followed the Oslo plan, "Palestine" would be 13 years old now. He chose to create more terror instead.

They've had assurances.
It's time for a state.

That's another claim of yours. Back it up. Name these assurances. I'm looking forward to seeing your list.

Where do you get that idea?
I said they lead seperate lives. That is Hafrada. Two sides of a fence, one government.

Yes, the fence that saves lives. The non-violent solution to a violent problem. Please explain how non-violence is worse than "apartheid".