"Do the orders still stand?" - Person identified

[TruthMakesPeace]

Do the orders still stand? Standing for safety and truth

"I don't have anything else to add"

He would simply answer the questions if he had nothing to hide. Detectives call his elusive behavior "guilty demeanor." This indicates he feels he is above the law, and does not have to answer to the people who pay his salary or pension. He should remember his oath to protect the American people, not the Neocons. At least he showed some conscience and doubt by asking "do the orders still stand?" Better to ask "do the orders stand for public safety and truth?"

 

[The Big Dog]

Zonbie Thread Liar

He would simply answer the questions if he had nothing to hide. Detectives call his elusive behavior "guilty demeanor." This indicates he feels he is above the law. He should remember his oath to protect the American people, not the Neocons. At least he showed some conscience and doubt by asking "do the orders still stand?" Better to ask "do the orders stand for public safety and truth?"

"I, for one, am interested in the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. That's why I came to this Forum, to get alternative views, not to be insulted. If it turns out, from a new investigation, that my Government was not complicit in 9/11, then I would be very happy and relieved."

cicorp could simply answer the questions if he had nothing to hide. Detectives call his elusive behavior "guilty demeanor." This indicates he feels he is above the law. He should remember his oath to protect the American people, not the Truther bots. He could not even show some conscience and doubt by not lying that he was here just asking questions. Better to ask "hey cicorp how much bull **** you got left"?

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

What questions

cicorp could simply answer the questions if he had nothing to hide.

What questions do you have SFB? I'm here for my own purpose, not yours, and not anyone else's, to find out the truth. This forum topic is not about me. Get a life.

I was hoping Douglas Cochran would simply answer the questions, clear himself and Cheney, and put an end to speculation. He only fueled it by taking the 5th. Citizens have the right to know exactly what was said that day over 9 years ago. The military works for the citizenry not vice versa. He sounded guilty and it was disappointing.

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

What questions

Silence is not an acceptable response for skeptics.

If the "orders" were innocuous, like "do the pizza delivery orders still stand?"
then Cochran should have cleared it up once and for all.

 

[beachnut]

Silence is not an acceptable response for skeptics.

If the "orders" were innocuous, like a pizza delivery order, then Cochra should have cleared it up once and for all.

What orders? Like all of 911 truth claims, the "orders" is the sure sign of woo, pure nonsense, and after 9 years of failure, the sign of possible insanity.

You never served in the military did you?

http://www.afmentor.com/ceremony/Oath_Of_Office.htm Judgment, knowledge? I don't need no stink-en orders... to stop terrorists. Did the Passengers on Flight 93 need orders? LOL, you are lost in the pit of 911 truth, the woo is sticky, need a solvent called knowledge and judgment to clean up...

 

[The Big Dog]

What questions do you have SFB? I'm here for my own purpose, not yours, and not anyone else's, to find out the truth.

OH I have one!!!

The put options, that you utterly failed to research! That one.

Oh, I just thought of another one! The fact that cell phones in 2001 were more powerful than in 2011. And the fact that discussion has been researched extensively here and on other web sites, the links that you have been provided.

And the videos at the Pentagon? That one? Yeah, that's another.

And whether an argument from incredulity is a logical fallacy? Look up that answer, champ.

And here's another that you should answer, if you are so interested in the truth, why are you supporting no planers that even your heroes in the truth movement have already rejected as ridiculous frauds?

the fact that you are ignoring the answers indicates to me what the detectives would call a "guilty demeanor."

 

[Dave Rogers]

He would simply answer the questions if he had nothing to hide. Detectives call his elusive behavior "guilty demeanor." This indicates he feels he is above the law, and does not have to answer to the people who pay his salary or pension. He should remember his oath to protect the American people, not the Neocons. At least he showed some conscience and doubt by asking "do the orders still stand?" Better to ask "do the orders stand for public safety and truth?"

He was a serving military officer being asked to comment on what orders he was acting under during a time of national emergency. He is under no obligation to respond to this request. In particular, refusing to answer pointless questions asked by strangers of no official standing does nothing to indicate that he "feels he is above the law"; whatever their delusions, conspiracy theorists are not agents of the law. The fact that he is unwilling to make public statements off-the-cuff means nothing more than that he is respecting the confidence under which he was automatically placed by virtue of his oath, other than possibly that he has no cause to suspect that the orders were anything other than legal and honourable.

Dave

 

[BCR]

He would simply answer the questions if he had nothing to hide. Detectives call his elusive behavior "guilty demeanor."

No, sounds more like 'it is none of your business demeanor' to me.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If he had answered differently would you have believed him if you didn't like the answer?

If it's such a deep dark conspiracy why would being 'on oath' make him suddenly spill the beans if he had already conspired to murder thousands of people?

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

You are uninformed, and make invalid assumptions

What orders?

You are uninformed on something easily found on the web.
Norman Mineta said that Cochran asked Cheney "Do the orders still stand?"

You never served in the military did you?

You make a lot of assumptions that turn out to be wrong.
I volunteered for the USMC and took the oath you refer to.

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

Is this a junior high school forum?

OH I have one!!!
And the videos at the Pentagon? That one? Yeah, that's another.
And here's another that you should answer, if you are so interested in the truth, why are you supporting no planers
the fact that you are ignoring the answers

Yes, what about the videos at the Pentagon. Why can't we see more than a few fuzzy frames?

I came to this forum expecting to find critical thinking, new ideas, and interesting information. You write like a junior high school student, making false assumptions (there are plenty of witnesses to a plane) and ad hominems. Fact? What evidence do you have I'm "ignoring the answers". If you write as an adult, I'll read your responses.

 

[DGM]

Yes, what about the videos at the Pentagon. Why can't we see more than a few fuzzy frames?

I came to this forum expecting to find critical thinking, new ideas, and interesting information. You write like a junior high school student, making false assumptions (there are plenty of witnesses to a plane) and ad hominems. Fact? What evidence do you have I'm "ignoring the answers". If you write as an adult, I'll read your responses.

You can't see more than "fuzzy frames" because security cameras are not made to capture really fast moving objects. This is old news.


BTW: What orders do you think he meant. The long standing orders that the military would not use deadly force against civilian targets without presidential authorization? What does this all mean, considering the fact we had no assets in position to do anything anyway?

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

85 security cameras. F15s at Otis, F16s at Langley, and aircraft at Andrews

You can't see more than "fuzzy frames" because security cameras are not made to capture really fast moving objects. This is old news.

Ok. But there is still an old question. How about the 84 other security cameras? Why not show the videos, satisfy the skeptics, and dissolve the 9/11 truth movement? No one is calling for a new investigation of the Challenger, because NASA answered the questions.

What does this all mean, considering the fact we had no assets in position to do anything anyway?

Fact? We had F15s at Otis, F16s at Langley, and aircraft at Andrews.
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad

 

[Dave Rogers]

You are uninformed on something easily found on the web.
Norman Mineta said that Cochran asked Cheney "Do the orders still stand?"

I think beachnut probably knows that. It's one of the less fashionable truther points to obsess on at the moment, but a couple of years ago it was more popular. Truthers seem convinced that "the orders" must have been not to shoot down the target, even though (a) not shooting down airliners is the default, so specific orders not to shoot down an airliner would be superfluous, and (b) Mineta himself said he thought, from the expressions and general demeanour of those involved, that the orders must be that the airliner was to be shot down.

I volunteered for the USMC and took the oath you refer to.

So, when you were given an order, did you go out of your way to tell every random stranger what it was?

Dave

 

[DGM]

I came to this forum expecting to find critical thinking, new ideas, and interesting information. .

About this. Do you plan to go back to the other thread you bumped? Ideas for discussion are still up in the air waiting for your input.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Ok, how about the 84 other security cameras?

Didn't somebody already point out to you that they exist only in the wilful misinterpretations of idealogues? The FBI collected videos pertaining to the Pentagon attack from 85 different security cameras. Of these, only a very small number actually showed the Pentagon, and only one was pointed such that the impact was visible. This, too, is old news.

Dave

 

[The Big Dog]

Yes, what about the videos at the Pentagon. Why can't we see more than a few fuzzy frames?

I came to this forum expecting to find critical thinking, new ideas, and interesting information. You write like a junior high school student, making false assumptions (there are plenty of witnesses to a plane) and ad hominems. Fact? What evidence do you have I'm "ignoring the answers". If you write as an adult, I'll read your responses.

Oh stop it. We've seen your kind come and go, dozens of times. Whining that you are only interested in the "truth" but failing to do even one iota of objective research before regurgitating the tired old canards that have been debunked a dozen times.

You are not ignoring the answers? You want proof?

Ok, here ya go, from a zombie thread that you bumped, you ask two ancient questions, got answers, didn’t respond and now you are back in this thread repeating the same old garbage about “the videos at the Pentagon.”

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188089&page=2

Our intrepid hero in the search for the truth bumps the thread at post 55 and gets at least a dozen responses, and IGNORES EVERY ONE OF THEM, and comes here and repeats the same damn nonsense here.

 

[BCR]

Ok. But there is still an old question. How about the 84 other security cameras? Why not show the videos, satisfy the skeptics, and dissolve the 9/11 truth movement? No one is calling for a new investigation of the Challenger, because NASA answered the questions.


Fact? We had F15s at Otis, F16s at Langley, and aircraft at Andrews.
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad

What other 84 security camera? You just pulled that out of your rear end my friend.

 

[TruthMakesPeace]

The FBI collected videos pertaining to the Pentagon attack from 85 different security cameras. Of these, only a very small number actually showed the Pentagon, and only one was pointed such that the impact was visible.

Great. Then there is no national security issue in releasing the photos of a parking lot thousands of people drive by every day.

 

[The Big Dog]

Great. Then there is no national security issue in releasing the photos of a parking lot thousands of people drive by every day.

You don't even know what was already released, do yourself a favor and stop posting, particularly as you are thread jacking this old thread.