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The sad case of Niels Harrit

Patriots4Truth:

Be honest here, Nothing we say is going to convince you. Why don't you bring the paper to a collage/university chemistry department. Do your own "independent investigation" and learn the truth.
 
DGM said:
Patriots4Truth:

Be honest here, Nothing we say is going to convince you. Why don't you bring the paper to a collage/university chemistry department. Do your own "independent investigation" and learn the truth.
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Your naive "spin" grows boring.

MM
 
Patriots4Truth said:
are you trying to say that jref posters are less biased? there's like one truther for every 10 anti-truthers here.
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Who ME? Naw, just pointing out that you

1. copy pasted from some douchbag on another website without crediting it.

2. Didn't look at my link.

Yeah, you know, the link that answered your question? Yeah that one.

Way to dodge "Patriot for Truth."
 
16.5 said:
Who ME? Naw, just pointing out that you

1. copy pasted from some douchbag on another website without crediting it.

2. Didn't look at my link.

Yeah, you know, the link that answered your question? Yeah that one.

Way to dodge "Patriot for Truth."
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Oh I looked at the link. That's why I said that thread is biased or one-sided. Metamars was the only knowledgeable truther there and Metamars admitted to not having any advanced knowledge on the subject.
 
Patriots4Truth said:
Oh I looked at the link. That's why I said that thread is biased or one-sided. Metamars was the only knowledgeable truther there and Metamars admitted to not having any advanced knowledge on the subject.
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Huh.

Well, good for you, you somehow managed to make less sense than your last post.

You asked Sunstealer a question, he has already answered it, I linked you to it.... and your response was that the thread was one sided.... even though you have no idea of the merits of the discussion there.

Alrighty then.
 
Patriots4Truth said:
They tested paints (youtube link).

Plus I've know a chemist for 19 years and I let her read the paper and she said it couldn't of been paint.
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Seems neither of us will convince each other then (my chemist vs. your chemist).

In the past, I offered to have the material analyzed at my place of work, which has all the necessary equipment and expertise needed, but the truthers in the thread where the offer was made said they would reject the results because they came from a government agency.

Would you accept these results, or would you also hold them suspect? I know this is a hypothetical situation, because apparently Harrit et. al. won't share their original samples, but just suppose they did. Would you accept the results of the analysis?
 
Mr. Skinny said:
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Would you accept these results, or would you also hold them suspect? I know this is a hypothetical situation, because apparently Harrit et. al. won't share their original samples, but just suppose they did. Would you accept the results of the analysis?
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Any ice days on the hill? I trust you.

knowledgeable truther
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an oxymoron

Have a great b-ball weekend!
 
beachnut said:
Any ice days on the hill? I trust you.
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If you mean snow/ice, yeah. Shut down for two entire days three weeks ago. Early dismissal/late arrival authorized about 4 times on top of that.

Rough winter in Dayton this year.
 
This picture is taken from Sunstealer's analysis on the thread you linked and in his signature link. Sunstealer believes that Graph A (kaolinite with gypsum) = Graph B or C (the dual-layered chips from WTC dust)
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What's wrong with Graph A? Well for starters:
-The iron peaks are missing (3 different oxidation states); also the Sodium and Potassium peaks are missing LOL
-The spike on the far left is cropped off at the top. It could be much taller..
-No evidence to suggest the same Y-scale

"The chemical composition of these two materials is similar. Notice that "kaolinite" has quite a bit of carbon and very little oxygen. In thermite you see the REVERSE, very little carbon and quite a bit of oxygen. Abundances of aluminum, silicon and iron are also WAY OFF in the "kaolinite". That's one reason it's so energetic. You don't expect this sort of energetic material to form spontaneously in a building collapse, just as you don't expect a box of matches to be the result of a forest fire." (prisonplanet forums)

"The fact that the red/gray chips are magnetic is further evidence that it is not primer paint." - Stephen Jones

"In your tight focus on whether we have really found elemental aluminum -- which, pending your response, I believe we have successfully defended in the affirmative -- you seem to keep forgetting our other findings, of which you have offered no criticism: that the particles are nano-sized, intimately mixed, explosive, and yield iron-rich microspheres exactly like those ones also found in the WTC dust. Whatever it's made of, it goes BOOM! -- and would not be ubiquitous in the dust if it came from Bldg 6." -From Gregg Roberts (Steven Jones colleague)
 
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16.5 said:
Huh.

Well, good for you, you somehow managed to make less sense than your last post.

You asked Sunstealer a question, he has already answered it, I linked you to it.... and your response was that the thread was one sided.... even though you have no idea of the merits of the discussion there.

Alrighty then.
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Do you want to reply for Sunstealer again in regards to my last post? :D
 
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Wait, Are you claiming they found iron oxide in the chips of a collapsed steel framed building?



:rolleyes:
 
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DGM said:
Wait, Are you claiming they found iron in the chips of a collapsed steel framed building?
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Iron is part of the gray layer

"the gray layers are consistently characterized by high iron and oxygen content including a smaller amount
of carbon." - Niels et All, Active Thermitic Material

"It is also shown that within the red layer there is an intimate mixing of the Fe-rich
grains and Al/Si plate-like particles" - Niels et All, Active Thermitic Material
 
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Patriots4Truth said:
Iron is part of the gray layer

"the gray layers are consistently characterized by high iron and oxygen content including a smaller amount
of carbon." - Niels et All, Active Thermitic Material

"It is also shown that within the red layer there is an intimate mixing of the Fe-rich
grains and Al/Si plate-like particles" - Niels et All, Active Thermitic Material
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P4T, I think DGM was commenting on your comment that the sample spectra of kaolinite with gypsum did not match the spectra of the red-grey chips.

If paint that had kaolinite with gypsum was applied to steel, one would expect to find some iron attached to it.

At least I think that's what he was saying.

I, for one, wouldn't expect an actual sample of WTC dust to match a sample spectra. The sample is just used for comparison. I think you understand that as well, no?
 
I agree that the element spectrum is less damning than the electron microscope images that show nano-technology.

"What's absent in the "kaolinite" is the presence of tiny nano-scale granules mixed in with it. Those size particles are generally not spontaneous, they're made only in labs." link
nanoparticles.jpg
 
Patriots4Truth said:
I agree that the element spectrum is less damning than the electron microscope images that show nano-technology.

"What's absent in the "kaolinite" is the presence of tiny nano-scale granules mixed in with it. Those size particles are generally not spontaneous, they're made only in labs." link
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9265/nanoparticles.jpg
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Well, I was told at the Air Force Research Laboratory nanotechnology conference last year that nano sized particles are regularly produced in nature. A volcanic eruption is a good example.

Anyhow, it's not true that nano particles can only be made in labs. Just something to think about.

Also, would you mind responding to my question about 8 or 9 posts back? Thanks.
 
Patriots4Truth said:
I agree that the element spectrum is less damning than the electron microscope images that show nano-technology.

"What's absent in the "kaolinite" is the presence of tiny nano-scale granules mixed in with it. Those size particles are generally not spontaneous, they're made only in labs." link
[qimg]http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9265/nanoparticles.jpg[/qimg]
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FALSE.

Kaolinite is found in nature in clay consisting of nano-sized particles. link
Likewise, iron oxide (e.g. Fe2O3) is found in nature in nano-sized particles, and has as such been used as pigments since the dawn of civilisation.
Such nano-sized pigments and other particles are routinely part of ordinary paints since the dawn of industrialisation, and are not at all a sign of high "nano-technology".
 
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