9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[9/11-investigator]

As we all know, or were taught at school rather, the Germans tried to exterminate millions of Jews. They had decided upon that during the Wannsee meeting.

And now this:

Heinrich Himmler feared a typhus epidemic in the camps. Eastern European Jews were very unhygienic and were often blamed for the spread of typhus. On December 28, 1942, Himmler ordered that, "the death rate in the camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source, Reitlinger's book, The Final Solution.) On January 20, 1943, chief inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks, answered Himmler, "Every means will be used to lower the death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Trial Document No. 1523.) The death rate had indeed been reduced from 8.5% in July 1942 to 2.8% in June 1943.

Why on earth would you be concerned with reducing a death rate at all cost, of those you want to exterminate?

 

[TSR]

As we all know, or were taught at school rather, the Germans tried to exterminate millions of Jews.

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They not only tried, but succeeded.
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They had decided upon that during the Wannsee meeting.

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No, they merely *coordinated* efforts during that conference.
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And now this:

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"Now?"

When was Reitlinger's book published, again?
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Why on earth would you be concerned with reducing a death rate at all cost, of those you want to exterminate?

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Because, as has been patiently explained to you before, not only Jews were in the camps, nor were most camps exclusively meant for extermination. Slave labour ahd a *lot* of value to the Nazis.

Care to cite the page and para in which this passage occurs, before I make you look even more stupid by showing the context in which this statement was made -- or simply admit you're once again quoting what someone else says Reitlinger says, without having checked to see if you were being fed a quote mine?
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[dudalb]

The Wannasee meeting was a mid level managment meeting to work out the details of how the "evacuation" of Jews from Europe was to be worked out. The decision to "evacuate" had already been made . Heydrich was the only really high ranking figure to attend the meeting.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The Wannasee meeting was a mid level managment meeting to work out the details of how the "evacuation" of Jews from Europe was to be worked out. The decision to "evacuate" had already been made . Heydrich was the only really high ranking figure to attend the meeting.

I am glad that dudalb finally seems to agree that Wannsee was indeed the kick-off meeting for grand scale deportations of the Jews from Europe to the newly conquored East since the beginning of Barbarossa, half a year earlier, offering a new alternative for older ideas like deportations to Madagaskar, that had become obsolete since Britain blocked the see routes to Madagaskar.

 

[dafydd]

I am glad that dudalb finally seems to agree that Wannsee was indeed the kick-off meeting for grand scale deportations of the Jews from Europe to the newly conquored East since the beginning of Barbarossa, half a year earlier, offering a new alternative for older ideas like deportations to Madagaskar, that had become obsolete since Britain blocked the see routes to Madagaskar.

The Nasis had no ****** right to ''deport'' anyone on the basis of their religion. Thank the stars that Dutchmen like you are few and far between. The Russians certainly wiped the floor with your heroes. we can be thankful that ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ was mad enough to launch Barbarossa.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Holocaust latest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEhkwK4VDTM

Numerous examples, discussed at the Nuremberg tribunal, where Nazis Punished Nazis For Mistreating jews. I verified 3 cases and they were all there. Simply:

"google inurl:avalon affidavit 1637"

I trust that my opponents can easily explain away why the Germans would sentence to death Germans for committing crimes against Jews.

Good luck.

 

[abaddon]

I trust that my opponents can easily explain away why the Germans would sentence to death Germans for committing crimes against Jews.

Good luck.

Perhaps they simply got used to it, and were immune to the physical reality after butchering so many.

 

[TSR]

Holocaust latest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEhkwK4VDTM

Numerous examples, discussed at the Nuremberg tribunal, where Nazis Punished Nazis For Mistreating jews. I verified 3 cases and they were all there. Simply:

"google inurl:avalon affidavit 1637"

I trust that my opponents can easily explain away why the Germans would sentence to death Germans for committing crimes against Jews.

Good luck.

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Well, since all of the IMT transcripts are online, why don't you offer a proper citation this affidavit so it can be evaluated?

Most likely because *you* have not "verified" anything, and are simply parroting what you have been told by other deniers.

Here we go: tell us the exact place in Affidavit 1637 where it talks about a German soldier (Kittel was Wehrmacht, not SS) being sentenced to death for committing generic crimes against Jews?

Or you could run from this question, as you do with most, while the rest of us point and laugh...
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[Wroclaw]

Do this search:

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&...=f&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&fp=ef34c9a9ed856910

Nada.

 

[Craig4]

The Nasis had no ****** right to ''deport'' anyone on the basis of their religion.

This is a great point. Let's say I'm a Jew. I'm not but it doesn't matter. Why should I be bothered with what some freakish nut case thinks of where I live or don't live? If I've got the means to reside there it's up to me where I live. If I was a resident of a particular area or legally residing (not taking about unlawful immigration here) why should I have to worry about what the unsophisticated crank lobby thinks of my choice of residence?

 

[dafydd]

This is a great point. Let's say I'm a Jew. I'm not but it doesn't matter. Why should I be bothered with what some freakish nut case thinks of where I live or don't live? If I've got the means to reside there it's up to me where I live. If I was a resident of a particular area or legally residing (not taking about unlawful immigration here) why should I have to worry about what the unsophisticated crank lobby thinks of my choice of residence?

When the scumbag crank lobby becomes a crazy dictatorship then you are in trouble.

 

[dudalb]

I am glad that dudalb finally seems to agree that Wannsee was indeed the kick-off meeting for grand scale deportations of the Jews from Europe to the newly conquored East since the beginning of Barbarossa, half a year earlier, offering a new alternative for older ideas like deportations to Madagaskar, that had become obsolete since Britain blocked the see routes to Madagaskar.

I see that my use of quotes around the term Evacuation sort of went over your head.It was to show that "evecuation".as used by the Nazis ,was a euphemism for extermination. ..and everybody at Wannasee knew damn well what evacuation meant.
Not to mention that even the deportation of somebody just because they are Jews would strike anybody except for a hate filled bigot as a crime in and of itself.

 

[dafydd]

Not to mention that even the deportation of somebody just because they are Jews would strike anybody except for a hate filled bigot as a crime in and of itself.

A normal,intelligent person would see that. Brain dead Hitler huggers,difficult.

 

[dafydd]

Zeg het eens Nein,why do you admire Hitler? Is it because he murdered a large number of Jews?

 

[Hans]

Question, the wealth taken from those deported to be killed. Did the Nazis keep track of how much was collected?

 

[Dogzilla]

Not to mention that even the deportation of somebody just because they are Jews would strike anybody except for a hate filled bigot as a crime in and of itself.

And you, of course, extend to cover all ethnic groups, right? As in, only a hate filled bigot could possibly think that it wasn't a crime for the United States to deport the Japanese? Or for the Czechs, Poles, Russians, etc. to deport all the ethnic Germans after the war?

You agree that those deportations were also criminal because only a hate filled bigot could think otherwise, right?

Or is it only a crime because it was Jews who were deported?

Just askin'

 

[TSR]

As in, only a hate filled bigot could possibly think that it wasn't a crime for the United States to deport the Japanese?

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Well, no, it wasn't a crime in that THEY WEREN'T DEPORTED.

Nor was there an attempt to arrest every Japanese-descent person the US could get their hands on.

Nor were they used as slave labour.

Nor were they subject to mass murder.

But let's see -- what had *just* happened to provoke this? Oh, yeah: an actual military attack on US forces. When did the the Jews, the Roma, the gays, the Jehovah's Witnesses launch their attack?

On what date were laws passed forbidding any American of Japanese descent from holding certain jobs?

On what date did the US begin confiscating most of the assets of Japanese Americans before they were allowed to emigrate elsewhere?

What's the name of that book where Roosevelt outlines his hatred for the Americans of Japanese ancestry?

How many Shinto or Buddhist shrines were burned to the ground, and how many Japanese-owned businesses looted?

Only a hate filled bigot would try to equate what happened to the Japanese internees to what happened to the Jews, the Roma, the gays, the JWs, the POWs...

What *did* happen to Japanese Americans in certain specific areas of the country was wrong, but of course, you don't know any of this and don't care, do you?

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[Dogzilla]

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Well, no, it wasn't a crime in that THEY WEREN'T DEPORTED.

Nor was there an attempt to arrest every Japanese-descent person the US could get their hands on.

Nor were they used as slave labour.

Nor were they subject to mass murder.

But let's see -- what had *just* happened to provoke this? Oh, yeah: an actual military attack on US forces. When did the the Jews, the Roma, the gays, the Jehovah's Witnesses launch their attack?

On what date were laws passed forbidding any American of Japanese descent from holding certain jobs?

On what date did the US begin confiscating most of the assets of Japanese Americans before they were allowed to emigrate elsewhere?

What's the name of that book where Roosevelt outlines his hatred for the Americans of Japanese ancestry?

How many Shinto or Buddhist shrines were burned to the ground, and how many Japanese-owned businesses looted?

Only a hate filled bigot would try to equate what happened to the Japanese internees to what happened to the Jews, the Roma, the gays, the JWs, the POWs...

What *did* happen to Japanese Americans in certain specific areas of the country was wrong, but of course, you don't know any of this and don't care, do you?

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The claim was that deporting alone and nothing else was a criminal act. All those other words you used aren't important to this particular discussion.

You are correct that the Japanese-Americans weren't deported in the sense of being removed from US borders. But the Jews weren't moved anywhere outside of territory controlled by Nazi Germany either.

So I can count you as one who thinks that deporting Jews is a criminal act but deporting other ethnic groups might not be quite as criminal?

 

[dafydd]

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Only a hate filled bigot [/COLOR]

We bow to Dogzilla and Saggy's vast experience in the field of hate filled bigotry.

 

[TSR]

You are correct that the Japanese-Americans weren't deported in the sense of being removed from US borders. But the Jews weren't moved anywhere outside of territory controlled by Nazi Germany either.

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What? They weren't sent East?

What happened to them, then?

They *were* deported from the countries of which they were citizens. How many Japanese (or any other ethnic group) did the US do that to?




What's that?




Precisely *none*?





Then again, your 'comparison' fails miserably.
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So I can count you as one who thinks that deporting Jews is a criminal act but deporting other ethnic groups might not be quite as criminal?

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Nothing I have said even suggests this, but I can't stop you from being dishonest if you choose to be.


As you so often, you know, choose to be.
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