Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[EventHorizon]

That's your credulous opinion. Nothing support it.

All I said was that there were other possibilities which would be absurd to deny. Your inability to see different possibilities is one of your biggest flaws. You see only one possibility and attempt to shoehorn irrelevant information into it to fit your delusion.

According to the official reports, the first team acted within 16 seconds, the pilots changed from totally normal to totally silent within 16 seconds. Such terrorists played like Ninjas, so as soon as the plane is about 15000ft in the air, they can act withour any proble.

I don't see what this has to do with what I posted. You said that the plane should be taken over between 10 and 20 minutes after takeoff. I pointed out that this arbitrary number is meaningless. Unless you can explain why taking over the planes between 10 and 20 minutes is the only way 4 independent could have pulled this off, your whole argument fails. Furthermore unless you can explain why the planes being taken over past 20 minutes or before 10 minutes means that it was 1 team your argument fails as well.

And your claims here are not supported by any evidence.

What claims? I didn't make any claims. You did. As I said above, you claimed that the planes had to have been taken over between 10 and 20 minutes for there to have been 4 independent teams. You have yet to explain why you feel this way. You have presented no evidence for this claim.

There is ONE CONSTANT EVIDENCE, the time gap between deviation of any plane and the impact of the previous one, this is ranging from 3 to 9 minutes. That's a strong constant time which proves ONE TEAM made the strikes.

As pointed out earlier, 3 to 9 isn't constant. It's completely arbitrary because it fits your fantasy.

Now, you should think how Mossad/USA would do the strikes?

Show me evidence that this is what happened.

 

[tsig]

Once you start calling anybody who disagrees with you a "disinfo agent" you automatically loose the debate.

There's no debate here only someone Just Making Assertions. It's a reverse form of JAQ.

 

[twinstead]

There's no debate here only someone Just Making Assertions. It's a reverse form of JAQ.

Yea, but "JMAing off" doesn't have quite the ring.

 

[DGM]

mehmetin:
Why are you here?

You claim to be a "researcher" but you seem to have no clue that we would question and demand evidence of any claim you make. You obviously have no intention of providing anything more then biased opinion.

Let me make this easy for you. My "theory" is your book is tanking big time and you hoped that posting on a popular American (skeptic) forum could generate a lot of hits on your site boosting your sales. Sad thing is, I have more evidence for my theory then you do yours.

So, how's that working for you?

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Yea, but "JMAing off" doesn't have quite the ring.

I suggest J-MAking as a potential alternative, or perhaps you could make it "JAMing off" (Just Assertion Making).

 

[Dog Town]

To Muslim "researcher".

Is that "book" vanity published, or was a publisher that pathetic?

 

[twinstead]

I suggest J-MAking as a potential alternative, or perhaps you could make it "JAMing off" (Just Assertion Making).

Yes. Both J MAking and JAMing off ROCK! I will use them interchangeably, in equal measure

 

[mehmetin]

Pi is a constant. e is a constant. K is a constant.

"From 3 to 9" is not a "constant." It's an arbitrary number that fits your fantasy.

The succession of the events could not be made by precision of seconds! We must expect some minutes of difference in such work. We have 4, 9 and 3 minutes difference between the deviation and impact of the precedent plane. And the reason of 9 can be explained by the exact type of the planes that hit the twin towers making the team believe the system is perfect, and they can leave the plane hit the tower alone.

When you compare these times of 4, 9, 3 minutes to 15, 28, 34, 53 minutesyou must accept that there is no common amount between these times, except between 28 and 34 minutes.

You all prefer to deny the succession of teh hijacks, while it's easily visible here down. NOBODY explained how and why 4 different teams made SUCCESSIVE hijacks. I gave you two possible manner, but both are completely impossible and the methods are laughable. So the accusation of Muslims is laughable.

 

[mehmetin]

Nothing to your mind supports it because you simply file any evidence to the contrary (like everything known about the terrorists involved) under lies disseminated by the imaginary figures behind your imagined plot.

Are you turk or not? Same question for all other people! You know what my nationality and faith is. To be at the same level, you should also tell what's your nationality and faith are. By definition, we all have the right to be what we want.

Only very few of you will tell it. You prefer to hide what you are and do not assume your origine. I do!

 

[carlitos]

 

[mehmetin]

All I said was that there were other possibilities which would be absurd to deny. Your inability to see different possibilities is one of your biggest flaws. You see only one possibility and attempt to shoehorn irrelevant information into it to fit your delusion.

I gave the improbable possibilities of what you think happened. None of you is able to show any other possibility of what YOU BELIEVE is happened. YOU ARE the people who do not see different possibilities. You are unable to explain how and why 4 different teams made successive hijacks. With the most improbable possibilities, I just gave two explanation of HWO they made successive hijacks, but I am unable to explain WHY they made it in such manner.

If you accuse me of not seeing different possibilities, I am waiting your other possibilities.

I don't see what this has to do with what I posted. You said that the plane should be taken over between 10 and 20 minutes after takeoff. I pointed out that this arbitrary number is meaningless. Unless you can explain why taking over the planes between 10 and 20 minutes is the only way 4 independent could have pulled this off, your whole argument fails. Furthermore unless you can explain why the planes being taken over past 20 minutes or before 10 minutes means that it was 1 team your argument fails as well.

I explained, but you are ignorant and you do not understand, or you simply deny; it’s so comfortable to deny! Very easy.

Four teams are ninja kind people, they can act within 16 seconds to kill pilots and take over, so they can push any people on the way and get to the cockpit very easily. So they act as soon as the plane is airborne. As every minute makes them away from their east coast situated targets, they must act as soon as possible. As some of you told it, they can only preview to takeover as soon as possible. And that makes the time gap between take off and deviation “some” constant. That means +/-5minutes according to the first plane.

Understood? I know, you did not understand. You are unable to understand. No! You refuse to understand.

As pointed out earlier, 3 to 9 isn't constant. It's completely arbitrary because it fits your fantasy.

Show me evidence that this is what happened.

You blind to the evidence. Useless to show any!

 

[I Ratant]

...(repetitive garf deleted out of kindness)
You all prefer to deny the succession of teh hijacks, while it's easily visible here down. NOBODY explained how and why 4 different teams made SUCCESSIVE hijacks. I gave you two possible manner, but both are completely impossible and the methods are laughable. So the accusation of Muslims is laughable.

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There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Even more than two.
Especially the two you picked out of your poop, and disregard them yourself.
Your denigration of the abilities of Muslims to accomplish anything poops on the brilliant history of Muslim thinkers and doers in the distant past.
If you're going to toss out -all- the data on the events on 9/11/2001, you can't use part of it to "prove" your fantasy.
Come up with the real data.
Other than claiming ineptness in your Muslim brothers to excuse their initiation and participation in planning and executing the takeovers and murders on 9/11/2001, whatcha got?

 

[mehmetin]

mehmetin:
Why are you here?

You claim to be a "researcher" but you seem to have no clue that we would question and demand evidence of any claim you make. You obviously have no intention of providing anything more then biased opinion.

Let me make this easy for you. My "theory" is your book is tanking big time and you hoped that posting on a popular American (skeptic) forum could generate a lot of hits on your site boosting your sales. Sad thing is, I have more evidence for my theory then you do yours.

So, how's that working for you?

Many people were speaking about JREF (Jewish REFerence) forum. For a Muslim who made many years investigation, his work remains nothing if he does not challenge the Zionist's supporter forum called JREF. That's why I came here.

Just to CHALLENGE the supporters of the Zionist Criminals. And such challenge should be made here, on JREF forum.

When I began I was ready, and I am still ready, to change my opinion if you are able to debunk my work with strong evidence. Unfortunately, you were unable; none of you was able to debunk my work:

• You are unable to explain How and Why 4 different teams made successive hijacks.
• You refuse to explain how Mossad/USA agents would do the attacks.

The only thing you are able to do is DENY every evidence and follow the official story.

 

[beachnut]

It proves the terrorists attacked after level off a thing that takes time.

Don't tell 911 truth Atta used his phone to talk to the other terrorist when he was on the plane, on the ground. He used his cell phone; bet he said Go, which set off all the Hijacking, and I bet the later flights were a go unless they were told to Stop. Simple coordinating that hate filled liars in 911 truth can't comprehend.

What we have here is a hate filled delusions, and a presentation full of lies.

 

[EventHorizon]

Understood? I know, you did not understand. You are unable to understand. No! You refuse to understand.

Of course I don't understand. I'm not crazy or racist or delusional. That's why nobody here understands you. Most of us are intelligent and for the most part able to think clearly and logically. One more time, here's what happened on 9/11:

Plane #1 takes off. As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over and fly it into a building.

Plane #2 takes off. As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over and fly it into a building.

Plane #3 takes off. As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over and fly it into a building.

Plane #4 takes off. As soon as terrorists see an opening they take it over. Passengers get wind of what's been going on and try to take back control of the plane. Terrorists crash plane into a field.

The onus is on you to disprove this. Go ahead, we're waiting.

 

[Drudgewire]

Many people were speaking about JREF (Jewish REFerence) forum.

Wait, this isn't the Jump Rope Entertainment Forum? I was wondering why there was such an absence of threads dedicated to double dutch.

 

[EventHorizon]

Don't tell 911 truth Atta used his phone to talk to the other terrorist when he was on the plane, on the ground. He used his cell phone; bet he said Go, which set off all the Hijacking, and I bet the later flights were a go unless they were told to Stop. Simple coordinating that hate filled liars in 911 truth can't comprehend.

What we have here is a hate filled delusions, and a presentation full of lies.

I kind of wonder why someone who claims he is a Muslim is saying that Muslims were too incompetent to pull off 9/11. Self hating Muslim?

 

[Sideroxylon]

Are you turk or not? Same question for all other people! You know what my nationality and faith is. To be at the same level, you should also tell what's your nationality and faith are. By definition, we all have the right to be what we want.

Only very few of you will tell it. You prefer to hide what you are and do not assume your origine. I do!

Not relevant to the discussion. Either you have done effective research and have good evidence behind your argument or you have not.

ETA: It has been brought up (including by myself) and used to ascribe motivations for your belief, but this is secondary. The primary problem is that your argument is poor. Were this not the case, people would not be looking for such motivations in you.

 

[carlitos]

Many people were speaking about JREF (Jewish REFerence) forum. For a Muslim who made many years investigation, his work remains nothing if he does not challenge the Zionist's supporter forum called JREF. That's why I came here.

Just to CHALLENGE the supporters of the Zionist Criminals. And such challenge should be made here, on JREF forum.

Perhaps you hadn't noticed by now, but look at the top of the page on the left. There is a picture of a guy named James Randi. This foundation is the James Randi Educational Foundation.

(just in case - hard to tell if he's serious)

 

[Sideroxylon]

Many people were speaking about JREF (Jewish REFerence) forum. For a Muslim who made many years investigation, his work remains nothing if he does not challenge the Zionist's supporter forum called JREF. That's why I came here.

Just to CHALLENGE the supporters of the Zionist Criminals. And such challenge should be made here, on JREF forum.

[snip attempts to shift the burden of proof]

If this is what you believe, your research skills have failed you. The James Randi Forums are about critical thinking and its application to a broad range of subjects.