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EHocking said:
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Yet you still argue that your memory is infallible and this is sufficient evidence for any of your assertions on this forum.
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I do not hold that my memory is infallible.

Read just above, where I said as much.

While my memory may be flawed, it is still quite reliable.
 
aggle-rithm said:
One accurate memory doesn't mean all your memories are accurate.

I have pretty accurate memories of a visit to the state Capitol building when I was three years old. However, I remembered the stairs as being white. When I saw it again ten years later, I was disconcerted to find that they were black. I thought they must have been painted, but soon learned that had been black since being built in the 19th century.

Other than that, the memories were surprisingly accurate.

That doesn't stop me from being frightfully and disturbingly wrong about the details of favorite movies I rewatched after not having seen them for years. I'm talking about memories that I was certain were accurate, but my certainty was no guarantee of accuracy. I mention movies because this is a situation where it is easy to corroborate your memory against reality...but with other memories it's not always so easy.
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Lighting and perspective are to blame for your different colored capitol.

Interesting that one mistake in memory recollection was enough to taint all of the rest of my memories.

Yet, when I demonstrated my REALLY long-term memory accuracy, that means nothing...
 
Psiload said:
If only you could allow yourself to accept the fact that it is far more possible that your sister touched the Hope Diamond as a child, than what you saw on that other occasion was aircraft piloted by ETs.

You see, the Hope Diamond actually exists.

But, I'm sure this is just one more teachable moment wasted on an unteachable.
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Oh, how the intellectually mighty have fallen...

What basis did you make your initial assertion from?

After everything that's been posted, why do you 'think'/'believe' E.T. piloted craft are such an impossibility???
 
King of the Americas said:
While my memory may be flawed, it is still quite reliable.
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Could you point us to just a single example of your memory being reliable? As demonstrated several times just in this thread, you appear unable to even remember what you said just a day earlier. As has been discussed at length, you account of your UFO encounter has changed significantly, your account of seeing some jewels has just been shown to be incorrect, and the list goes on. We even have explicit statements from you that you have a terrible memory. No-one has a perfect memory, but it seems that yours is significantly worse than most.

King of the Americas said:
Yet, when I demonstrated my REALLY long-term memory accuracy, that means nothing...
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You have never demonstrated this. Looks like your memory is playing up again.

Incidentally, does anyone remember this:
King of the Americas said:
So, lets pretend for a moment
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Why all the worry about how good your memory is when everything in this thread is supposed to be made up anyway? You wouldn't have lied about what you wanted to discuss and then tried to change the subject, would you?
 
Because "E.T.s" have never been demonstrated to exist.
 
King of the Americas said:
Oh, how the intellectually mighty have fallen...

What basis did you make your initial assertion from?

After everything that's been posted, why do you 'think'/'believe' E.T. piloted craft are such an impossibility???
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I never used the word impossible, now did I?

I think ET piloted craft are highly unlikely due to the fact that evidence of their existence is scant and unverifiable, and reports of their existence often come from people who are prone to confabulation. Like say you, for example.
 
King of the Americas said:
Lighting and perspective are to blame for your different colored capitol.
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No...my interpretation of the memory is to blame.

That's what memory recall is, an interpretation of past events. That's why it is so fallible.

ETA: You misunderstand the problem of memory. It's not that we perceive things wrong in the first place; it's that when we recall the memory much later it can become garbled and confused with other thoughts and memories.

Interesting that one mistake in memory recollection was enough to taint all of the rest of my memories.
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It doesn't taint anything, it demonstrates that memory is fallible.

Yet, when I demonstrated my REALLY long-term memory accuracy, that means nothing...
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Yes, it does, because one corroborated memory does not prove that all your memories are accurate.


ETA: To sum up: One inaccurate memory is enough to demonstrate that memories can be inaccurate, but one accurate memory is insufficient to demonstrate that all memory is accurate, or even likely to be accurate.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Oh, how the intellectually mighty have fallen...

What basis did you make your initial assertion from?

After everything that's been posted, why do you 'think'/'believe' E.T. piloted craft are such an impossibility???
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Not impossible, just so highly improbable that, unless you have solid evidence to the contrary, it can be ruled out as an explanation for mysterious sightings.
 
Cuddles said:
Could you point us to just a single example of your memory being reliable? As demonstrated several times just in this thread, you appear unable to even remember what you said just a day earlier. As has been discussed at length, you account of your UFO encounter has changed significantly, your account of seeing some jewels has just been shown to be incorrect, and the list goes on. We even have explicit statements from you that you have a terrible memory. No-one has a perfect memory, but it seems that yours is significantly worse than most.



You have never demonstrated this. Looks like your memory is playing up again.

Incidentally, does anyone remember this:

Why all the worry about how good your memory is when everything in this thread is supposed to be made up anyway? You wouldn't have lied about what you wanted to discuss and then tried to change the subject, would you?
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Stop lying, liar.

ETA:

-My U.F.O. account didn't "change dramatically"

-My memory of seeing my sister pick up A Hope Diamond was also accurate.

You are misrepresenting the facts, and are making unfounded assertions about me and the record I have presented.

YOU ARE LYING.

Please stop.
 
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Psiload said:
I never used the word impossible, now did I?

I think ET piloted craft are highly unlikely due to the fact that evidence of their existence is scant and unverifiable, and reports of their existence often come from people who are prone to confabulation. Like say you, for example.
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In order to arrive at highly unlikely, you'd HAVE to first discount, debunk, or otherwise discredit ALL of the anecdotes LIKE MINE, and the hundreds of thousands that have happened throughout the ages.

Personally, I think it is highly unlikely that ALL of these anecdotes, observations, pictures, video, and paintings are all pure fiction.

THAT is a leap of faith, I am simply not willing to take.

So, the ONLY thing that leads you to this conclusion, is that 'they' are good at not being found and studied...

That pretty weak, buddy.
 
RoboTimbo said:
While I don't think you're a troll, you should know that the above is uncivil and can be infracted unless you post some evidence to support it. Otherwise, it's just name-calling.
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Thank you for pointing out my error.

I will make sure I include the 'lies' being told, when I point out that someone is a liar.
 
King of the Americas said:
Personally, I think it is highly unlikely that ALL of these anecdotes, observations, pictures, video, and paintings are all pure fiction.

THAT is a leap of faith, I am simply not willing to take.
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I agree that this is highly unlikely. However, no one is making that argument.

Some of the anecdotes, observations, etc., undoubtedly do indeed represent actual events, just not described accurately due to misperception or failure of memory, which are very well-understood phenomena.

Some are products of the imagination that were never intended to be understood in any other way.

Some are outright lies.

In any event, it is fallacious to say that the only two options are: 1) Every story about unexplained lights in the sky is fiction, and 2) Heavenly agents live among us. It's a false dilemma.
 
King of the Americas said:
In order to arrive at highly unlikely, you'd HAVE to first discount, debunk, or otherwise discredit ALL of the anecdotes LIKE MINE, and the hundreds of thousands that have happened throughout the ages.
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No. In order to come to any conclusion other than the existence of ET piloted craft being highly unlikely, it would have to be shown that ET piloted craft actually exist. The anecdotes do not show that. Anecdotes are stories, tales, verbal descriptions of alleged events. It is not scientifically or skeptically rational to base one's belief in something's existence on anecdotes.

Personally, I think it is highly unlikely that ALL of these anecdotes, observations, pictures, video, and paintings are all pure fiction.

THAT is a leap of faith, I am simply not willing to take.
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That argument from incredulity has been tried, noted, and subsequently rejected hundreds of times throughout this thread. The fact that any individual or group of people believes or disbelieves some particular thing has absolutely no bearing on its actual existence.

So, the ONLY thing that leads you to this conclusion, is that 'they' are good at not being found and studied...

That pretty weak, buddy.
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"They" are so good at not being found and studied that "they" have never been found and studied. Of course the same can be said for Bigfoot, leprechauns, gods, and demons. It is sane and intelligent to conclude that since "they" have never been found and studied, even though "they" allegedly cruise around in some kind of vehicles in our skies, it is unlikely that "they" exist... all arguments from incredulity and ignorance notwithstanding.
 
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