The sad case of Niels Harrit

Sword_Of_Truth said:
No explosive seismic signatures were detected on 9/11.

It's physically impossible for explosives to have played a role in the buildings collapses.

(Hint: a cutter charge is a shaped charge that is designed to rend structural members with as little energy expenditure as possible. Since structural members are connected to the pilings that run into the buildings foundation, cutter charges are also the most efficient means of generating seismic signatures with minimal amounts of explosives.)
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http://the911forum.freeforums.org/cutter-charges-would-leave-no-seismic-record-t331.html
 
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Patriots4Truth said:
http://the911forum.freeforums.org/cutter-charges-would-leave-no-seismic-record-t331.html
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On a more serious note, the link is to a truther JAQ-off session where they try to explain the lack of sound from the demolitions charges by speculating (without evidence) that the charges were encased in a tamping agent.

If you knew anything about thermodynamics, you'd know that you can't just get rid of energy like that. If the cutter charges aren't able to bleed off some energy into the surrounding atmosphere as sound waves, then it is going to go into the structural column and then down into the foundation, through the pilings, into the earth and then get picked up by seismographs.

Short version: Your excuse for why there would be no seismic signatures would actually make the seismic signatures stronger.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
On a more serious note, the link is to a truther JAQ-off session where they try to explain the lack of sound from the demolitions charges by speculating (without evidence) that the charges were encased in a tamping agent.

If you knew anything about thermodynamics, you'd know that you can't just get rid of energy like that. If the cutter charges aren't able to bleed off some energy into the surrounding atmosphere as sound waves, then it is going to go into the structural column and then down into the foundation, through the pilings, into the earth and then get picked up by seismographs.

Short version: Your excuse for why there would be no seismic signatures would actually make the seismic signatures stronger.
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the graph in that link went right through you didn't it
 
"The vertical structure has to reach the elastic capabilities before it breaks. Hence, a lot of energy has to travel down the columns into the foundation. Once the support in the collapse zone is crushed that energy transfer stops until the next resistance is in the way of the upper portion. Nevertheless, just a small portion of the energy transferred to the lower part will also be transformed into seismic energy. Therefore only small vibrations were measurable during the collapse and prior to falling debris hitting the ground. These huge chunks of mass assembled a lot of kinetic energy that impacted the ground directly." -link

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why do you disagree with this science?
 
Just throwing this out there, but metamars' musings being "peer reviewed" by achimspok's soft-porn graphics aren't exactly science.
 
Patriots4Truth said:
"The vertical structure has to reach the elastic capabilities before it breaks. Hence, a lot of energy has to travel down the columns into the foundation. Once the support in the collapse zone is crushed that energy transfer stops until the next resistance is in the way of the upper portion. Nevertheless, just a small portion of the energy transferred to the lower part will also be transformed into seismic energy. Therefore only small vibrations were measurable during the collapse and prior to falling debris hitting the ground. These huge chunks of mass assembled a lot of kinetic energy that impacted the ground directly." -link

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why do you disagree with this science?
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So your quoting metamars as an expert on seismology now? Wow. Weren't you the same clown who was just babbling about how there must be a real peer review to refute Jones? And you bring this as "science"?
 
Patriots4Truth said:
...why do you disagree with this science?
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carlitos said:
Just throwing this out there, but metamars' musings being "peer reviewed" by achimspok's soft-porn graphics aren't exactly science.
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What science?

AND what relevance to "The sad case of Niels Harrit" which technically relates to fantasy claims about thermXte which S Jones - the originator of the fantasies - has distanced himself from.

As for why shaped charges don't go bang I have no comment except the memory of the ones I used in the Australian Army - but they did go "BANG"
 
Patriots4Truth said:
I'll mark you down for "No" beachnut
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Failure is 911 truth, 911 truth can't get anything right, let alone 911.

Thermite is a lie; if you have some evidence for thermite you will need to use it now to save 911 truth from the pit of ignorance.

Did not expect you could tie your failure to understand models to the thermite scam; I was right. No chemistry, no engineering. what else can't 911 truth do? 911

Better get some patridiots who can't figure out 911 to help you with this. http://patriotsquestion911.com/ The biggest dummies on 911 issues, visit this web site to see morons in, no action, failures who made failed comments on 911. A long list of people who can't figure out 911. Some of them put there without permission! Some listed have no clue they have no clue on 911.

Four matches of thermite, one of the top ten dumbest claims on 911 on the first page of nitwits. http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Got any comments on topic?
 
grandmastershek said:
So your quoting metamars as an expert on seismology now? Wow. Weren't you the same clown who was just babbling about how there must be a real peer review to refute Jones? And you bring this as "science"?
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Actually it was achimspok and the sequence of posts on the911forum is worth a read - there are a couple of laughs in there. One example being this: "That's because a cutter charge burns through metal so quickly, that the energy that gets directed to the column along the cutting charge's edge can't do much work on the column."

That sure reads like someone who has thermite and RDX confused ;)

(BTW there is some good material on 911forum but being a small closed shop some rubbish can go unchallenged - not scrutinised by the hundreds who frequent JREF and which usually means a dozen or so capable of spotting technical errors.)
 
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Patriots4Truth said:
"The vertical structure has to reach the elastic capabilities before it breaks. Hence, a lot of energy has to travel down the columns into the foundation. Once the support in the collapse zone is crushed that energy transfer stops until the next resistance is in the way of the upper portion. Nevertheless, just a small portion of the energy transferred to the lower part will also be transformed into seismic energy. Therefore only small vibrations were measurable during the collapse and prior to falling debris hitting the ground. These huge chunks of mass assembled a lot of kinetic energy that impacted the ground directly." -link

why do you disagree with this science?
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It is not science it is failed opinions. Like all of 911 truth, lies and delusions based on failed opinions. It is nonsense to back in the moronic demolition delusion. Add science to your "to do list".
 
Patriots4Truth said:
the graph in that link went right through you didn't it
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Nope, not in the slightest.

It was the same graph originally printed in Popular Mechanics along with the professional opinions of Dr Arthur Lerner-Lam and Dr. Won Young Kim of the Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University.

Since Dr. Kim and Dr. Lam are experienced and educated siesmologists and achimspok and metamars are anonymous
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with no experience or education the opinions of Kim and Lam automatically overrule achimspok and metamars.
 
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ozeco41 said:
Actually it was achimspok and the sequence of posts on the911forum is worth a read - there are a couple of laughs in there. One example being this: "That's because a cutter charge burns through metal so quickly, that the energy that gets directed to the column along the cutting charge's edge can't do much work on the column."

That sure reads like someone who has thermite and RDX confused ;)
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I'll get to you other question, but who says matamars wasn't talking about RDX?

ozeco41 said:
(BTW there is some good material on 911forum but being a small closed shop some rubbish can go unchallenged - not scrutinised by the hundreds who frequent JREF and which usually means a dozen or so capable of spotting technical errors.)
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vs. jref's 9/11 subforum which is characterized by a lack of cooperation, stalling and apathy towards evidence based research from a huge group of people. on the plus side, the negative element at jref actually inspires people to work harder

I'll reply to your other post later
 
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