The PF9/11 Truth Video

[BCR]

CE, regardless of yours, P4T and CIT rhetoric, it is impossible for a 757 to get from where Paik saw the plane and where Lagasse says he saw it.

That means the CIT eyewitnesses are lying or they are making errors in recall. Take your pick, but I prefer the later.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Data? Data, you say? You must be addressing the pure unadulterated spin (crrap) that distorts what both Paik and Morin stated. I can read the English Language, CE, and I certainly don't need either Ranke or you to tell me what someone said.

It has absolutely nothing to do with which side of anything the aircraft passed because the aircraft can not get to those points at all. Even if it could, NO ONE, NOT a single ONE described the horrendous bank angle required to do so.

Exactly. No one describes the artifical scenario you made up and plugged into your formula to prove that the witnesses couldn't have seen what they didn't describe.

 

[mercian]

Gage is NOT an engineer! he is an architect, essentially an artist, they decide what a building should look like but the serious "engineering" is done by Structural Engineers.

Sheeplesnshills is right. Plus if you look at the list of names, many of them aren't qualified architects; they're just students. There are also many Landscape Architects listed! That's like asking Alan Titchmarsh what he thinks about the controlled demolition theory!

 

[Joey McGee]

Wait a minute - you admit that Reheat's piece is junk science?

lol. Uhm, the "And yet" is clearly part of a sarcastic device. He obviously does not admit that. How you could misread this is beyond me... wait, no it makes perfect sense.

It's quite telling how the mindset works. Every little victory or psychological triumph sends torrents of pleasure chemicals through your brain, even when nothing has been debunked or proven at all. I noticed the same parallel with the creationists who claimed to have "Stumped Dawkins" when in reality he was just realizing they had lied about their identity and was contemplating throwing them out of his house.

The mind demands psychological rewards for maintaining theories. We've all noticed that the truthers waltz around like hotshots, "I know something you don't know!" calling people sheeple etc. They have to keep the pleasure chemicals up. I've started to see the truthers as drug addicts in this way.

Those processes probably evolved to help you take care of your family and do things that were positive for the community. Now these people have got their reward systems all tied up into this stuff and they are trapped.

For a perfect example of this, watch Alex Jones freak out on CNN's cameras about building 7. It was leaning over and creaking loudly for over an hour and yet still he is convinced the CIA/MI6 told the media it was going to be exploded. just because they reported it had fallen already. Just watch the addiction in action. (only 30 sec clip)

It seems like the truthers who still bother to agitate are more addicted to the process than anything else. You can tell by where the place their emphasis during the exchanges.

 

[Reheat]

Exactly. No one describes the artifical scenario you made up and plugged into your formula to prove that the witnesses couldn't have seen what they didn't describe.

Paik and Morin described EXACTLY what I depicted in my diagrams. It's the others you are upset about. You know, all of those that said the aircraft impacted the building! Those are the ones you should be concerned about instead of me.

A moronic idiot is the only one who would say they were correct about the path, but yet they were wrong about an impact with the building. Why are they correct about one aspect and wrong about the other?????

No one else saw an aircraft fly over the building either, so there is % 100 corroboration on what ALL of the physical evidence shows in addition to what the witnesses saw - Yes, the CIT witnesses describe EXACTLY what happened and morons with an agenda try to spin it otherwise. How does it feel to be a loser, CE? You can always come to your senses and no one will hold it against you.

 

[BCR]

Sheeplesnshills is right. Plus if you look at the list of names, many of them aren't qualified architects; they're just students. There are also many Landscape Architects listed! That's like asking Alan Titchmarsh what he thinks about the controlled demolition theory!

If you guys don't wish to consider them engineers, then suite youself. All I know is, my engineering school (which trained them) considered them as such and those who went through some of the same classes I did would strongly disagree with you.

You could also say that the same holds true for JREF. Many comment on issues here for which they are unqualified to speak. That is why I stay away from the WTC debate, and reserve my critique to measurement system analysis, basic physics and other issues for which I am qualified. I even stay away from the Pentagon damage analysis debates for the same reason.

I don't malign people in the 'truth movement'. I make an exception for Cpt'n Bob and CIT because they exhibit a lack of character and reasoning ability. I don't see the case for CD except perhaps in the case of WTC7, but even there it is a weak case. But then again, my opinion on that subject is really not worth much.

 

[Animal]

Sheeplesnshills is right. Plus if you look at the list of names, many of them aren't qualified architects; they're just students. There are also many Landscape Architects listed! That's like asking [ .alantitchmarsh.com/"]Alan Titchmarsh[/URL] what he thinks about the controlled demolition theory!

In most states, one cannot call themselves' an Architect unless the presonn is licensed. They cannot offer architectural services if the person is not licensed.
The last time I looked at the AE list, only about 130 were actually licensed architects and about 250 were licensed engineers of any type.

There are currently about 90k licensed architects in the U.S. based on the last statistics I saw, and over 200k engineers. The licensed individuals of the AE group represent less than 0.2% of the profession. Every profession has their crackpots....The AE group makes up a good percentage of the crackpots that are architects and engineers.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Not exactly true.......my architectural license allows me to design the building structures as well as mechanical and electrical to "the extent of my competence" (In practice, I rarely do however because it is far quicker to have engineers to the work that they do every day.) "Artist" is one of the least applicable descriptions of what I do.

What Gage is doing is basically a "make work" project for someone that cannot survive in the real world.

I apologize if I overstated. My BIL is an architect and he is certainly no engineer. he knows enough to know how to build say a house...ie what distance you can span with what size timber etc. meet code etc.
But he does design a good looking, nice to live in house. However there is no way he would even try to design a Skyscraper without a structural engineer.

Gage certainly is not competent, or he would NEVER have done that silly cardboard box stunt. So the idea that he is competent to even comment of the structure of the WTC towers is ludicrous.

He is NOT an Engineer.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

You have no data to plug into your formula. You made it up by taking parts of witness testimonies over literal while ignoring other parts. Out of this you construct an artificial impossible scenario and run it through your formula to prove that it is impossible. Then you turn around and claim that the same witnesses you cherrypicked couldn't have seen what they report at all and would be mistaken about such a basic detail as the side on which they saw the plane pass. BS in, BS out. The OP of the thread I linked is a more than sufficient debunk. A few lines like those I just have written would have sufficed.

CE its you that keeps insisting that Morin and Paik are NOC witnesses. If you handwave them away like you do Penny Elgas, Deb Anlauf and ms Zakhem the NoC route becomes more plausible. Why do you insist on keeping the very witness (Morin) that makes NoC impossible?

Of course they all saw the plane hit but you already handwaved that already so no change there

 

[Animal]

I apologize if I overstated. My BIL is an architect and he is certainly no engineer. he knows enough to know how to build say a house...ie what distance you can span with what size timber etc. meet code etc.
But he does design a good looking, nice to live in house. However there is no way he would even try to design a Skyscraper without a structural engineer.

Gage certainly is not competent, or he would NEVER have done that silly cardboard box stunt. So the idea that he is competent to even comment of the structure of the WTC towers is ludicrous.

He is NOT an Engineer.

Gage isn't much of an architect either, based on his CV....though he certainly makes claims to a lot more than he has done.

I would not consider myself competent to design a high structure either . High rise structures are so specialized. The sway dampening systems fro example.

Personally, I think that Gage should lose his AIA "credentials" for his unethical stunts, but then being a member of the AIA just means you write a check once a year. It is mostly a political action group.....one I choose not to belong to.

 

[beachnut]

Wait a minute - you admit that Reheat's piece is junk science?

How are all those CIT flight paths? Impossible to fly, and yet you support the idiots with... wait for it... talk.


CIT witnesses all have 77 impacting the Pentagon. What is new on the failed flyover delusion? What drugs did CIT take to make up the wild lies?

A film by morons, to fool morons. Balsamo and his moron math pack of failed pilots did the video. There are the only idiots on earth (p4t pilots with moronic lies on 911) who could make up stuff this stupid. The best part, Balsamo is captured as he is, a moron on 911 issues. Balsamo, never will be left seat heavy jet, something thousands of USAF pilots did at the age of 26. He is not happy being a failure, he is working at being a bigger failure.

 

[George 152]

Oh my, I think I have hurt Cpt'n Bob's feelings again

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21125&pid=10795494&st=20&#entry10795494

I think you have a fan over there with all the visits he does here to see what you're doing

 

[funk de fino]

You have no data to plug into your formula. You made it up by taking parts of witness testimonies over literal while ignoring other parts. Out of this you construct an artificial impossible scenario and run it through your formula to prove that it is impossible. Then you turn around and claim that the same witnesses you cherrypicked couldn't have seen what they report at all and would be mistaken about such a basic detail as the side on which they saw the plane pass. BS in, BS out. The OP of the thread I linked is a more than sufficient debunk. A few lines like those I just have written would have sufficed.

Epic fail.

 

[funk de fino]

Oh my, I think I have hurt Cpt'n Bob's feelings again

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21125&pid=10795494&st=20&#entry10795494

And he proves he is clueless on IN's.

I used to run them up and shut them down at least three or four times a day on our jets. The man is an imbecile

 

[beachnut]

Oh my, I think I have hurt Cpt'n Bob's feelings again

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21125&pid=10795494&st=20&#entry10795494

His pilot for truth expert pilot who flew one of the aircraft used on 911 says the INS can't be updated in flight. Balsamo lies again as he offers no theory, just moronic claptrap he pulls out of a place other than thin air.

The following pilots from Balsamo's moron club can't figure out a 757 updates from VOR, using algortims, based on math. It must be the math the morons at Balsamo club can't figure out, 11.2gs of it.
Balsamo say these flying failures agree with him, the INS can't be updated in flight.
Captain Ross "Rusty" Aimer - got fired for woo, had to start his own woo
Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad - could his nickname be for the BS he spews?

Poor Rusty can't hit the Pentagon in a simulator, this is how expert these guys are, where terrorists pilots crash, these guys can't hit a 900 foot wide target, how do they land on 150 foot wide runway? Nuts.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21125&st=0&p=10795490&#entry10795490
Balsamo say no INS update, Reality says...

D. NAVIGATION SYSTEMS DESCRIPTION AND ACTIVITY​

The Boeing 757 keeps track of its own position using the Inertial Navigation System (INS),
which uses acceleration sensors to calculate the motion of the airplane over the ground. The
INS position calculation is periodically updated and corrected using data from ground based
radio navigation stations, called “very high frequency omnirange stations” (VORs). By tuning
a receiver to the signals broadcast from a VOR, the bearing from the airplane to the VOR
can be determined. Tuning in two or more stations and knowing the positions of each, a fix
of the airplane position can be obtained.
The 757 has two VOR receivers. The crew can manually tune each of these receivers to a
desired station (provided the station is in range), and view the airplane’s bearing relative to
the station on a special display mode on the Electronic Horizontal Situation Indicator (EHSI).
This mode is most often used when the crew wants to fly either towards or away from the
selected VOR station, along a specific bearing or “radial” to or from the station. In other
modes, the airplane will automatically tune in VOR stations along the airplane’s route in
order to obtain position fixes. The system generally selects stations whose bearings from the
airplane differ by about 90 degrees; this configuration results in the most accurate position​

fixes.

Darn, everything Balsamo says ends up being a lie, or the result of moron math, 11.2gs or worse. Don't forget he has promised to kill, which is about as good as his promise of truth.

Take the sign up to post at Balsamo's nut house, and present the truth, see how long it takes to be banned. By banned I mean he takes away the right to post, but he does not label your Avatar as banned, so people think you are silent, and don't know you have been banned. Balsam is the truthNAZI, a moron on math, and a traitor to the United States as he spreads lies against the military, FAA, NTSB, FBI, and more.

Sign up and post some truth... BTW, you can't post links to JREF, the links are banned. Freedom to link to Balsamo's lies, no freedom to link to real discussion... http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21125&st=0&p=10795490&#entry10795490

 

[Justin39640]

Sheeplesnshills is right. Plus if you look at the list of names, many of them aren't qualified architects; they're just students. There are also many Landscape Architects listed! That's like asking Alan Titchmarsh what he thinks about the controlled demolition theory!

Hey... the WTC had a lottttt of planters.

 

[BCR]

Hey Beachnut. Could copy your comment to the other thread. I can't do it on my Blackberry and a few of Cpt'n Bob's peers are monitoring the other thread

 

[angrysoba]

Oh my, I think I have hurt Cpt'n Bob's feelings again

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=21125&pid=10795494&st=20&#entry10795494

It appears you have:

I also took a stroll over to the cesspit to see if Farmer in his true obsessive fashion has already attempted to deceive his minions regarding this analysis by tume. Sure enough, Farmer is in full bloom spouting lies and trying to spin it any way he can.

There is also one of Randi's kids upset that his co-workers are sourcing our "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" presentation. Farmer in his true obsessive form tries to debunk the analysis with the only thing he has to offer... "Gage thinks P4T work is crap!" because as we all know, Farmer hasnt a clue when it comes to anything regarding aviation. The kid asks Farmer for a link source, Farmer does a song and dance failing to provide one. The reason being that not only is Farmer obsessed with us, but he is also a compulsive liar.

Gage actually bought our "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" DVD because he wanted to support our work. I told Gage i would have sent it to him for free, but Gage insisted on paying for it.

Farmer, dont you ever get tired of being caught in your obsessive compulsive lies? And he wonders why I wont let him post his libelous claims here. Go crawl back into your hole Farmer.

If JREF is a cesspit, I wonder why Rob Balsamo can't stay away and even has to make up some new nicknames such as "Pretty in Pink" to let him swim around here.

Anyway, now I at least know the name of the film "9/11 World Trade Center Attack".

Is there a thread dedicated to this film?

Just a quick question, BCR, if you're John Farmer then was I correct in saying you are not Truther or do you consider yourself to be a Truther?

 

[angrysoba]

Captain Ross "Rusty" Aimer - got fired for woo, had to start his own woo
Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad - could his nickname be for the BS he spews?

I understand that these two are condsidered PFT's resident experts.

What did Rusty get fired for?

What are Balsamo's qualifications?

 

[angrysoba]

Again, this stuff has been discussed at length already, so please forgive me for not being enthusiastic about going through it again.

Yeah, no problem. I expected that it will already have been chewed up and spat out, several times. For some reason, PFT was always something that I had completely ignored (along with Judy Wood and Daivd Icke) so I don't even know what their main contentions are. It seems they are either no-planers or at least no-commericial-airliners. In other words I think their conspiracy theories are even dafter than the more common ones about controlled demolition (although we're talking degrees of lunacy here).