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King of the Americas said:
That video was taken in "1952", and witnessed by thousands, then ACTED upon by Congress.

The FINDING, was that they didn't represent a national security threat.

How can you reach any conclusion other than...

"They exist."

'Something' flew over D.C. TWICE in 1952, and no military craft or guns could shoot them down.

A large formation of aircraft buzzed D.C. TWICE...that requires advanced technology...

Is it really a leap for conclude that 'something' in our heavens is better than us?
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According even to your suspect wikipedia link, it appears that there was never any conclusion regarding a "them." The conclusion was that the things themselves posed no security threat, addressing the phenomenon, without any presumption of sentient beings.
 
Elizabeth I said:
Before you go basing your life and personal validation on what's in this link, you should read this:

WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY
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References

^ Haines report on CIA website
^ INS shoot-down newspaper articles, July 29, 1952; Another INS shoot-down article in Charleston Gazette, July 29, 1952
^ Protest telegram and letter to White House
^ E.g., the St. Louis Post-Dispatch wrote on July 30, 1952, “Experts Answer Questions on Reported Objects to Avert Mass Hysteria"[1]
^ The main AP story of the press conference on July 30, 1952, stated: “Samford is one of the Air Force’s two top experts on saucers. The other was Maj. Gen. Roger Ramey…”; AP also called Ramey the Air Force’s “saucer man” in reporting his interview on CBS TV on August 3, 1952[2]
^ Example INS weather bureau story in St. Louis Post-Dispatch, July 30, 1952
Clark, Jerome, The UFO Book: Encyclopedia of the Extraterrestrial. Visible Ink, 1998. ISBN 1-57859-029-9
Michaels, Susan, Sightings: UFOs. Simon and Schuster, 1997. ISBN 0-684-83630-0
Peebles, Curtis, Watch the Skies!: A Chronicle of the Flying Saucer Myth. Berkley Books, 1994. ISBN 0-425-15117-4
Randle, Kevin D., Invasion Washington: UFOs Over the Capitol. HarperTorch, 2001. ISBN 0-380-81470-6
Ruppelt, Edward J. The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects

*If only your arguments were so well sourced.
 
bruto said:
According even to your suspect wikipedia link, it appears that there was never any conclusion regarding a "them." The conclusion was that the things themselves posed no security threat, addressing the phenomenon, without any presumption of sentient beings.
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I'll concede that.

Did you read the wiki report?
 
King of the Americas said:
Would you like another source perhaps?

I know it wasn't you, but when I asked another poster what it would take to convince them they said:

A video with lots of eyewitnesses.

So I present exactly that, and guess what?
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NO, you did not!

You presented a video of one thing, and eyewitness testimony of something entirely different.

That would be like proving the existence of unicorns by showing me a picture of a horse and saying, "People who were there said it had a horn."

"Oh, we could re-create that with modern devices..."

This event 'happened', Liz.

Sorry if that pops your ignorance bubble...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utX5HvMO0PM
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I've checked around, and even UFO believers admit that this is a fake.
 
King of the Americas said:
References

^ Haines report on CIA website
^ INS shoot-down newspaper articles, July 29, 1952; Another INS shoot-down article in Charleston Gazette, July 29, 1952
^ Protest telegram and letter to White House
^ E.g., the St. Louis Post-Dispatch wrote on July 30, 1952, “Experts Answer Questions on Reported Objects to Avert Mass Hysteria"[1]
^ The main AP story of the press conference on July 30, 1952, stated: “Samford is one of the Air Force’s two top experts on saucers. The other was Maj. Gen. Roger Ramey…”; AP also called Ramey the Air Force’s “saucer man” in reporting his interview on CBS TV on August 3, 1952[2]
^ Example INS weather bureau story in St. Louis Post-Dispatch, July 30, 1952
Clark, Jerome, The UFO Book: Encyclopedia of the Extraterrestrial. Visible Ink, 1998. ISBN 1-57859-029-9
Michaels, Susan, Sightings: UFOs. Simon and Schuster, 1997. ISBN 0-684-83630-0
Peebles, Curtis, Watch the Skies!: A Chronicle of the Flying Saucer Myth. Berkley Books, 1994. ISBN 0-425-15117-4
Randle, Kevin D., Invasion Washington: UFOs Over the Capitol. HarperTorch, 2001. ISBN 0-380-81470-6
Ruppelt, Edward J. The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects

*If only your arguments were so well sourced.
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You should add to your reading list Randi's Flim-Flam!, in which he describes an experiement he conducted while a guest on a radio show. At the beginning of the show, he described a UFO he saw on his way over to the station. Soon, the boards were flooded with calls from others who saw the same thing. Before long they were able to map out the course that the UFO was taking as it passed through the area served by the radio station.

But guess what? There was no UFO. Randi made it up, and the imaginations of the listeners filled in the rest.
 
aggle-rithm said:
NO, you did not!

You presented a video of one thing, and eyewitness testimony of something entirely different.

That would be like proving the existence of unicorns by showing me a picture of a horse and saying, "People who were there said it had a horn."



I've checked around, and even UFO believers admit that this is a fake.
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The day was FILLED with U.F.O. reports. This video only features the ones directly above the Capitol Building.

People saw stuff flying over D.C., the image in the video was front page news, LITERALLY.

Now, you are question wikipedia???

It is the most popular site to post, as far as reference material goes!
 
aggle-rithm said:
You should add to your reading list Randi's Flim-Flam!, in which he describes an experiement he conducted while a guest on a radio show. At the beginning of the show, he described a UFO he saw on his way over to the station. Soon, the boards were flooded with calls from others who saw the same thing. Before long they were able to map out the course that the UFO was taking as it passed through the area served by the radio station.

But guess what? There was no UFO. Randi made it up, and the imaginations of the listeners filled in the rest.
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So, you think this event, that scrambled jets, and caused Congress itself to act, was "mass hysteria"...?

Don't forget it happened TWICE!
 
The TWO- '52 D.C. sightings, are in my opinion, the best evidence that they exist.

We have pictures, videos, radar tracking, and thousands of eyewitnesses...AND Congressional action was the result.

The first time it happened people freaked out.

The SECOND time, they demanded answers.

The ONLY thing we found out, was the investigation found nothing that represented a national security threat. They did NOT find 'non-existence', light bouncing off of swamp gas, or any other 'mundane' explanation.
 
King of the Americas said:
So, you think this event, that scrambled jets, and caused Congress itself to act, was "mass hysteria"...?

Don't forget it happened TWICE!
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Yes. Mass hysteriaWP happens a lot in the real world. You obviously missed the point of the James Randi radio UFO incident, which was a hoax, yet lots of people "witnessed" it. More than TWICE even!!!!!!!

Even wikipedia says so :)

Specific examples

In 2007 near Chalco, a working-class suburb of Mexico City, mass hysteria resulted in a massive outbreak of unusual symptoms suffered by adolescent female students at Children's Village School, a Catholic boarding-school.[6][7]

In 2008 in Tanzania, about 20 female school pupils began to faint in a schoolroom, collapsing to the floor and losing consciousness, while others after witnessing this sobbed, yelled and ran around the school. A local education officer was quoted in news reports saying that such events are "very common here".[2]

In 2009 in Fort Worth, Texas, 34 people were sent to the hospital after they complained about having symptoms when they mistakenly thought they had been exposed to carbon monoxide.[8]
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carlitos said:
Yes. Mass hysteriaWP happens a lot in the real world. You obviously missed the point of the James Randi radio UFO incident, which was a hoax, yet lots of people "witnessed" it. More than TWICE even!!!!!!!

Even wikipedia says so :)
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Just out of curiosity, was that also the finding of Project Blue Book?

That the '52 D.C. sighting, photographs, videos, and radar tracking was ALL "mass hysteria"...?

THAT is by far and away THE MOST ignorant thing I have read here.

You are literally choosing to IGNORE evidence, and accept a solution that can not explain for what we have before us.

Wow...I mean really WOW.
 
I'm sorry if you can't admit that the entire UFO phenomenon, especially in the height of the Cold War, was almost entirely a case of mass hysteria writ large. I have not ignored anything.

Anyway, this is the thread where we are playing "let's pretend all the anecdotes are true" so I don't know why you keep harping on these individual cases. All my anecdotes of mass hysteria are true.
 
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