Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

mehmetin said:
Muslims, even extremists, are not killing innocents for religion. In catholicism, "Holy War" means "killing non catholics". In Islam "jihad" does NOT mean "killing non Muslims"; such meaning could NEVER exist in Islam. Jihad means acting for good, peace, justice, ... everything for the common good of humans is considered as Jihad; only some able people should do Jihad.

But if Muslims are attacked by foreign armies, fighting against these armies is also Jihad, because acting against injustice.

The conclusion is simple: Extremisy Muslims are NOT killing innocents. And one should be enough influenced by the catholic holy war principle to believe that people can kill innocents.

Subject closed please, I do not want to waste time on religious discussions. Let's focus facts on 9/11.
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Unfortunately, some Muslims interpret the Koran differently than you do, so your assertion that it's impossible that some Muslims are responsible for terrorist attacks is ridiculous.
 
Like any religious group, Muslims disagree on things, including what Jihad means. That's why Sunni Muslims kill Shia Muslims. And why some extremist Muslims want all non-Muslims dead. And what about those wacky Sufis, anyway?

mehmetin, why is that? I submit that it's because Muslims are just like Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. Most are basically good people, but some are extremists and a few are actually evil. The evil ones flew those planes and killed 3000 innocent people.

It's amazing that once upon a time the Muslim World was the most enlightened, most technically advanced, and most tolerant civilization on Earth. How times have changed.
 
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mehmetin said:
According to another graphic that you can find here http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp , you can see that the plane was high up to 10:04 and crashed very quickly.

Whe nI told you that the plane was at 35000 ft altitude from 9:00 to 9:42, I was very positive for your scenario.

As the family told also, at least two phone calls were made from 35000ft altitude. That means the FBI lied about these calls. Why did they lie? Because the cellular phones could not work at such altitude.

The phone calls are not evidence for the official story, they prove that the official story is white lie.
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A very simple explanation would be that the first two calls were from the airphone, the last was from the cell phone and the family members who saw the caller ID on the last call mistakenly remembered seeing it on the first two calls. No lying by FBI or family members, no highly improbable fake calls or voice morphing necessary. Just the kind of faulty memory that happens to human beings all the time.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Don't you also have a duty to make sure that you are right in your extraordinary, non-consensus idea?
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My work is consistent with all known strong evidence. Sure, some remaining evidence is classified, hidden, deleted, … so it’s unavailable. Such evidence should be searched by a justice investigation. Only after such investigation you can ask me to be more precise.

Sideroxylon said:
Also, do you understand just how horribly insulting this sounds to those members of the country that were the victims of this crime. Just stop for a moment and imagine such a crime had been purported against your own country and this was the reaction.
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Too many times I explained to Muslims who discussed that subject that they must consider such attack against their own country, and only in that manner they can understand why Americans are so angry to them.

My work is an independent investigation to explain how the events were made. That’s for all citizens of all countries. The perpetrators of such criminal attacks should be identified and charged. Without that they’ll continue their crimes in whole world. And if justice was made for 9/11 there will be no Madrid 3/11 no London 7/7 bombings. Because the perpetrators had to be charged and unable to commit those strikes too.

Sideroxylon said:
I agree that a lot of the debate in this thread is not great, but frankly it is a reflection on your own argument here and on the website. Also, aside from your "novel" gas claims, this has all been thoroughly done to death and is on the record in the forums for your perusal.
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The gassing of the pilots and passengers is my own research and I made everything to make technically possible and consistent with all known strong evidence. If anyone spoken that subject here, it could not be same as mine. So I ask you to consider only my words and try to debunk them. I am not related to the claims of other people.
 
9/11 Chewy Defense said:
I'd like to bring to Meh's attention this list of attacks by Muslims:

Attacks from Dec. 25, 2010 - Feb. 22, 2011 - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Meh can't explain away all these attacks by Muslims.
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I had a quick look to your web site. I can not study so many events. Some are very probably true. Some others seam to be minor events. Get a perfect pacific world is impossible. Only big facts need to be studied.

I can not know which are big and which are small. Any way, it's important to explain some reasons why there are some religious attacks!

Since several years, USA and European countries are backing all crimes of Israel. You should not be unaware that the crimes made by Israel are huge ones, and you endorse, you protect such crimes. Such complicity in the crimes of Israel creates some suspicion amongst Muslim populations against Americans and Europeans.

On basis of that, some ones may become angry and create such attacks. In the past I identified some attacks made by Muslims :
- Death of Theo Van Gogh, anti Muslim film maker.
- Last Sweden/Oslo attack.

Do not forget that many attacks put on behalf of Muslims may not be made by Muslims. Such attacks should be stopped by making justice about all attack blamed on Muslims. Without such justice, there will be too many other attacks put on behalf of Muslims while they are not involved.
 
mehmetin said:
Sure, such modification will not be installed to be visible; it should be added behind covers. I do not imagine the pilots or crew every time check whole cables going from control systems to the hydraulic actuators. That’s as you open the motor of your car and check everywhere in your car.
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I'm by no means an expert on aircraft design, but am I correct in assuming that there are no cables between the pilot's controls and the hydraulic system? There certainly aren't on forklifts, backhoes, etc. that I am somewhat familiar with. On those, the operator controls work directly on the hydraulic valves. I would assume that controls on large planes are similar. It appears to me that this is yet another example Mehmet's monumental ignorance of how a modern airliner is put together.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Originally Posted by mehmetin
They don't know what really happened. In other words, the only reason is their ignorance about the facts and their follow of the official story.

All you've done here is restated the comment that made me ask you that question in the first place.

Why do you assume that?

It seems to me that your only reason for claiming that no one else has done an equivalent amount of research as you is that... they disagree with you. Is that the case? If so, you're being delusional. If that's not the case, then surely you have something more substantial to support your position; let's say... "information" that hasn't been known about for 5 years or more, and which is unknown to the person you're arguing against.
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Instead of reading my post as it is, you are searching giving an interpretation of my opinion with baseless arguments. I prefer people who disagree with me using strong evidence than people who agree with baseless reasons. But people who disagree with me should have strong reasons based on strong evidence.

The main reason why I think they did not make so strong investigation as me is simple: Since 7 years I am investigating and studying every evidence, every theory about 9/11. I am the only people who explain “how the events were made”. Unless you have other people, who explain how the vents were made by using strong evidence, my sentence is true.

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There is also another reason: Most of their posts are ad-hominem attacks against me. There is no scientific arguments in their posts. That's also why I do not answer them.


That's hardly a reasonable or substantial piece of evidence on which to base your conclusion. The people you're arguing with have been arguing with people like you for years; they're tired of it. When you come in here spouting stale information like it's 2006 all over again, it's not unexpected that they roll their eyes and try to wave you away as yet another clueless truther. Because that's how you come off...
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I can understand that those people have been arguing with disinfo agents for years. That’s why in my first post I asked to make a blank in your opinion before study my work. I also asked to study my work first. Too many people did not study my work and they are deviating the discussion into many subjects.

In other words, your explanation is not justified. One should know to make the difference between me and disinfo agents.
 
CORed said:
I'm curious about the OP's assertion that the timing of the hijacks is evidence that a "single team" was responsible for all four hijackings. This assertion is absurd on its face, but, if I am not mistaken it would also require that the "single team", after hijacking a plane and installing a "Tomahawk control system" must have transferred from that plane in flight, to another plane in flight. So apparently in addition to installing the "Tomahawk control system" and gassing the crew and passengers they also installed a Star Trek transporter.
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Sorry, but you understood nothing.

The tomahawk systems were installed before 9/11/2001 and they were in sleeping mode before they were activated. During that time, the planes can takeoff and land as a normal plane. When they are activated by using satellite communication, they wake up, inject gas into the planes and start to simulate the movements of the human pilots on the control systems making an identical copy of human pilots by automatic control system.

Ok, I imagine that it's difficult to understand, but it's perfectly reliable and easy made for an automation designer. If any other question feel free to ask.
 
mehmetin said:
Sorry, but you understood nothing.

The tomahawk systems were installed before 9/11/2001 and they were in sleeping mode before they were activated. During that time, the planes can takeoff and land as a normal plane. When they are activated by using satellite communication, they wake up, inject gas into the planes and start to simulate the movements of the human pilots on the control systems making an identical copy of human pilots by automatic control system.

Ok, I imagine that it's difficult to understand, but it's perfectly reliable and easy made for an automation designer. If any other question feel free to ask.
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Not possible. I am an ex aircraft technician and you are babbling.
 
mehmetin said:
When they are activated by using satellite communication, they wake up, inject gas into the planes and start to simulate the movements of the human pilots on the control systems making an identical copy of human pilots by automatic control system.
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What if the dying pilot pushes forward (or any other direction) on the controls and stays that way? Wouldn't that cause major problems?
 
mehmetin said:
Sorry, but you understood nothing.

The tomahawk systems were installed before 9/11/2001 and they were in sleeping mode before they were activated. During that time, the planes can takeoff and land as a normal plane. When they are activated by using satellite communication, they wake up, inject gas into the planes and start to simulate the movements of the human pilots on the control systems making an identical copy of human pilots by automatic control system.

Ok, I imagine that it's difficult to understand, but it's perfectly reliable and easy made for an automation designer. If any other question feel free to ask.
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Okay.
In what other fields does your insanity extend ?
 
mehmetin said:
Sorry, but you understood nothing.

The tomahawk systems were installed before 9/11/2001 and they were in sleeping mode before they were activated. During that time, the planes can takeoff and land as a normal plane. When they are activated by using satellite communication, they wake up, inject gas into the planes and start to simulate the movements of the human pilots on the control systems making an identical copy of human pilots by automatic control system.

Ok, I imagine that it's difficult to understand, but it's perfectly reliable and easy made for an automation designer. If any other question feel free to ask.
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You can produce evidence of this? Show it please.
 
Originally Posted by mehmetin
Muslims, even extremists, are not killing innocents for religion. In catholicism, "Holy War" means "killing non catholics". In Islam "jihad" does NOT mean "killing non Muslims"; such meaning could NEVER exist in Islam. Jihad means acting for good, peace, justice, ... everything for the common good of humans is considered as Jihad

I am not a Muslim and yet I know this is pretty much a lie.

"Jihad", is simply a holy struggle. It can be an inner struggle, such as against drugs, depression, smoking, anger..etc etc. It can be a community struggle against crime, hunger, environmental harm, etc etc.

And yes, Jihad can mean a holy struggle against infidels or kuffars.
 
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