Protests in Wisconsin - Scott Walker

Howie Felterbush said:
Look at the bright side, WildCat. Your state is now a safe haven for legislators on the lam. You guys should triple your hotel rates; you'd make a killing. Maybe the next time something like this goes down here in Wisconsin, you can host our Republicans for a couple of weeks. Plus, we have an exciting array of third-party wackos up here, maybe we'll send you a few of those, too.

You gotta be bipartisan, you know. :D
Click to expand...
Does Illinois get income tax for the time the Wisconsin Dems are camped here? After all, they're earning money in Illinois...
 
WildCat said:
Does Illinois get income tax for the time the Wisconsin Dems are camped here? After all, they're earning money in Illinois...
Click to expand...
Do you pay income tax in states you travel to while on the job? I've never seen such a law. I've been paid to attend conferences in other states, for example.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And just like different stories on the budget, so are different slants on the wages of the workers:


Wisconsin: Dueling Statistics About Public Employees
It would seem the WSJ chose different pools of workers to compare. No surprise there.
Click to expand...
So they are already that close in wages, and the private sector pool contains engineers, and doctors and tax and tort lawyers. So public employee with liberal arts majors are basically doing the same or more in wages as private sector ones and in addition to that huge benefits.
 
Last edited:
Teemu said:
So they are already that close in wages, and the private sector pool contains engineers, and doctors and tax and tort lawyers. So public employee with liberal arts majors are basically doing the same in wages as private sector ones and in addition to that huge benefits.
Click to expand...

What huge benefits?
 
WildCat said:
In Illinois Gov. Quinn got tough, and said he was going to save the state money by making unionized workers take a furlough day (non-unionized workers already had to take a furlough). Then the unions squawked, so Quinn settled on a compromise: the union members could use a personal day or a vacation day for their furlough. A paid furlough.

How this saved the state money, only Quinn and the unions can tell. But to hear the unions tell it they made a huge sacrafice... :boggled:
Click to expand...
So basically you are saying if it weren't for the unions everything would be fine?

What about this? Pat Quinn's Staff Get Raises As State Programs Slashed
Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn has handed out raises – some of more than 20 percent – to his staff while proclaiming a message of "shared sacrifice" and planning spending cuts of $1.4 billion because the state is awash in debt.

The Democrat has given 43 salary increases averaging 11.4 percent to 35 staffers in the past 15 months, according to an Associated Press analysis of records obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.
Click to expand...
He's a Democrat. I would think you'd be blaming Democrats. But I see that is overridden by the new evil scapegoat.
 
Teemu said:
So they are already that close in wages, and the private sector pool contains engineers, and doctors and tax and tort lawyers. So public employee with liberal arts majors are basically doing the same or more in wages as private sector ones and in addition to that huge benefits.
Click to expand...
Where are your links? I've posted links the teachers make average pay, and links the state employees' pay is pretty close to the norm.

Instead of making up fantasy claims and asking people to prove your imagination wrong, where is your data that union workers in the WI state government are so overpaid?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Do you pay income tax in states you travel to while on the job? I've never seen such a law. I've been paid to attend conferences in other states, for example.
Click to expand...
It's quite common. When the White Sox play the Yankees in New York the players have to pay NY state income tax for the money they make in that game.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
He's a Democrat.
Click to expand...
No, he's a spineless blob. You know just before the election he made a deal with the unions that not a single one of them would be laid off for at least the next 2 years, at a time when we are billions in the red and can't even pay our vendors?
 
WildCat said:
It's quite common. When the White Sox play the Yankees in New York the players have to pay NY state income tax for the money they make in that game.
Click to expand...

That's probably because part of the White Sox's pay comes from the gate collected in NY. Since they're earning money from the state of New York's baseball loving citizens, they have to pay taxes on it. You guys can charge our politicians to stay there, but you aren't paying them, so you can't tax their income.
 
Teemu said:
Average school year has around 180 work days.
Click to expand...

Do you have any idea how much work a teacher has to put in?



And you know what kinda concerns me? When people start talking about comparing public vs private wages and compensation there always seems to be the general feeling that the public employees make too much instead of what I feel which is that the private sector makes too little.
 
Travis said:
Do you have any idea how much work a teacher has to put in?



And you know what kinda concerns me? When people start talking about comparing public vs private wages and compensation there always seems to be the general feeling that the public employees make too much instead of what I feel which is that the private sector makes too little.
Click to expand...

Oh? Do you hold such a great mind that your thoughts alone can recreate supply and demand curves?
 
thaiboxerken said:
History shows us how bad life was without collective bargaining. Hell, even today we can see it in the sweat shops of China.
Click to expand...

Yeah and 19th century medical documents show us how well leeches work as medicine. Besides I wasn't aware that WI public workers were slaves in 1958. What does the present tell us? 92% of private employees have no unions at all, and 50% of states restrict some/all public employee unions from collective bargaining. What terrible work conditions are all those people suffering under as a result that Wisconsin should be quaking in its boots over?

Travis said:
there always seems to be the general feeling that the public employees make too much instead of what I feel which is that the private sector makes too little.
Click to expand...

Word salad.
 
Last edited:
WildCat said:
It's quite common. When the White Sox play the Yankees in New York the players have to pay NY state income tax for the money they make in that game.
Click to expand...


I have to ask: How is that sorted out? A simple pro rata share of the annual income? It's not as if the players are paid daily from the receipts of that game.


Another question comes to mind, though one not directly related to the above: Has anyone checked out the salaries and benefits the state senators and representatives get? Have they discussed giving up any of their own salaries and benefits yet?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Where are your links? I've posted links the teachers make average pay, and links the state employees' pay is pretty close to the norm.

Instead of making up fantasy claims and asking people to prove your imagination wrong, where is your data that union workers in the WI state government are so overpaid?
Click to expand...

Here is one interesting study of public school teachers in general:

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_50.htm

Public school teachers are paid 61% more per hour than private school teachers, on average nationwide.

Compared with public school teachers, editors and reporters earn 24% less; architects, 11% less; psychologists, 9% less; chemists, 5% less; mechanical engineers, 6% less; and economists, 1% less.
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom