South Tower 81st floor filled with thermite?

[Triterope]

No, two separate things. Those who were forced to do the cover-up were innocent of the initial 9/11 attacks on the WTC at least.

Why would the U.S. government protect the perpetrators? The answer is: out of national security. The Bush administration could simply not suddenly say that no planes were involved in the 9/11 attacks when almost everybody already had seen the planes crashing into the WTC towers on television. Today Barack Obama may be able to say that no planes were involved, since people are no longer as traumatized as they were when the attacks happened back in 2001.

None of that makes any sense.

 

[Quad4_72]

I have a sneaking suspicion that we might be getting Poe'd.


tom

This is also a possibility. It's hard to imagine that someone could be THAT mentally handicapped.

 

[The Platypus]

During the time when the attacks happened in 2001, the situation was critical for the American society. If the Bush administration would admit that they had been totally fooled by images on television, just like the rest of the population plus essentially all people around the world, then that would have been very DANGEROUS for the entire nation, i.e. a serious national security risk, because people's trust in their government could have been destroyed to a degree risking social collapse.

Just a few quick questions if you don't mind.

What about all the people that saw the planes hit with their own eyes?

Are they all in on it too?

Were they being fooled when they watched it live in person? and if so how?

Why do you capitalize the word "dangerous". What was the point of doing that? Was it to try and manipulate us with emotion by emphasizing your imaginary danger, or too add validity to this scenario you've dreamed up gotten from CT websites, or both?

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I have a sneaking suspicion that we might be getting Poe'd.


tom

This is also a possibility. It's hard to imagine that someone could be THAT mentally handicapped.

Yeah, I'm thinking that myself. I mean, he just took the Inflationary Model past all moderation and turned it into the Big Bang Model of Conspiracy Theories. He's not even waiting for a reason to have to expand the scope of the theory, he's just doing it unprompted. I really don't see genuine conspiracy peddlers doing that; they normally know that over-broadening the scope is a big, blinking sign that there's a problem with the theory.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Just a few quick questions if you don't mind.

What about all the people that saw the planes hit with their own eyes?

Are they all in on it too?

Were they being fooled when they watched it live in person? and if so how?

Why do you capitalize the word "dangerous". What was the point of doing that? Was it to try and manipulate us with emotion by emphasizing your imaginary danger, or too validity to this scenario you've dreamed up gotten from CT websites, or both?

Imagine that you had seen the fireball explosion in the South Tower with your own eyes, and you hadn't seen any plane, in fact you knew it was no plane because you were looking at the tower just before and during the explosion. Would you then go home to your family members and friends, who ALL had SEEN the plane crash into the South Tower on television, and tell them that you saw the event with your own eyes and that you are sure there was no plane? Of course not. No ordinary person would. Ordinary people would not risk having people they know and love think that they have gone completely crazy.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Quote:
by Christopher Bollyn



No further reading needed.

Ad Hominem

 

[Bill Thompson]

"Fuji Bank had torn up the 81st floor, he said, and stripped it down to the bare bone to reinforce the trusses so that the floor could hold more weight. Then they had built a raised floor and filled the entire floor with server-size Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) batteries.

...

But were they really batteries?

"It's weird," he said. "They were never turned on."

So, what really was on the 81st floor of WTC 2? What was in these heavy "battery-looking things?" Were they batteries, or were they Thermite?"

From: http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Bollyn-Fuji-WTC.html

I don't understand your logic.
They were not batteries because they were not turned on?

 

[Craig4]

The 911 Witness documentary confirms the idea that the seismic recordings for the collapses of the towers show the kind of graphs caused by explosives. I have watched the documentary now and they didn't say anything about inconsistencies in timing in the recorded seismic data vs reported timestamps for key events but I already know that there are inconsistencies (that I even have posted on this forum in the past, but I don't feel like searching for that now).

So how do you explain the planes flying into the buildings?

 

[Craig4]

Imagine that you had seen the fireball explosion in the South Tower with your own eyes, and you hadn't seen any plane, in fact you knew it was no plane because you were looking at the tower just before and during the explosion. Would you then go home to your family members and friends, who ALL had SEEN the plane crash into the South Tower on television, and tell them that you saw the event with your own eyes and that you are sure there was no plane? Of course not. No ordinary person would. Ordinary people would not risk having people they know and love think that they have gone completely crazy.

We need not consider this scenario because we've established that planes flew into the buildings.

 

[Bill Thompson]

But it was from floor 81 in the South Tower where molten metal could be seen pouring out: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/docs/st_spout3s.jpg

I think that could have been a result of a lot of thermite used on that floor.

Everything can burn. Metal can burn if hot enough. You do not need any thermite.

And aren't we supposed to go with what is more logical? It is less logical that someone would coordinate to use thermite and risk being found out or haviing someone blow the whistle.

 

[Craig4]

To stress this point again: The Bush administration was NOT a part of the initial conspiracy imo. The tricky perpetrators rigged the event so that the government was forced to cover up the incident.

Evidence?

 

[Craig4]

During the time when the attacks happened in 2001, the situation was critical for the American society. If the Bush administration would admit that they had been totally fooled by images on television, just like the rest of the population plus essentially all people around the world, then that would have been very DANGEROUS for the entire nation, i.e. a serious national security risk, because people's trust in their government could have been destroyed to a degree risking social collapse.

Why would they need to admit this when we know the planes flew into those buildings? You're not making any sense.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Anders, let me ask you a question.

Have you ever heard the saying, "Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead"?

Are you SERIOUSLY saying that out of the literally HUNDREDS of thousands of people who would have to be involved in a cover-up, there isn't ONE person who would come forward a la Deep Throat and cop to that to the press? The likelihood of that is so infinitesimal that it is utterly preposterous to legitimately espouse such a theory. Are you honestly saying that is what you believe?

If so, there is no hope for you, I'm afraid, and I wash my hands of you.

Tens of Thousands of people were involved in the Apollo Hoax and we all know no one walked on the moon. Even now with the low orbit lunar probe, there must be people involved in that photoshopped scam. So just because a lot of people have to be involved and just because it has been a long time, this does not mean .... ok, I am just kidding.

 

[The Platypus]

Imagine that you had seen the fireball explosion in the South Tower with your own eyes, and you hadn't seen any plane, in fact you knew it was no plane because you were looking at the tower just before and during the explosion. Would you then go home to your family members and friends, who ALL had SEEN the plane crash into the South Tower on television, and tell them that you saw the event with your own eyes and that you are sure there was no plane? Of course not. No ordinary person would. Ordinary people would not risk having people they know and love think that they have gone completely crazy.

So then you are claiming that everyone that saw planes on TV were being fooled, every video of planes is faked, and that amongst the live witnesses, nobody at all saw any planes at all with their own eyes that day, just explosions and every single one of the thousands and thousands of live witnesses are only adding "seeing the plane" into their stories to rationalize it to themselves...

Wow... ... And they wonder why people laugh at them...

Yaaa

 

[fitzgibbon]

It HAS to be thermite, because NOTHING else produces white smoke when burning.......

You mean the College of Cardinals burns thermite when they've elected a new Pope? At last! The Vatican tie-in with 9/11!

 

[Anders Lindman]

I don't understand your logic.
They were not batteries because they were not turned on?

The witness must have been talking about the UPS system including the 'battery-looking things', he said: "It's weird, they were never turned on."

 

[Zep]

The witness must have been talking about the UPS system including the 'battery-looking things', he said: "It's weird, they were never turned on."

You have said this three or four times previously. And it was explained each and every time with solid facts, not fanciful fantasy thinking. So now you are just being obtuse and pathetic. In short, you are trolling.

Admit it - that's all you are doing now. You will only look even more pathetic if you don't...

 

[Anders Lindman]

So how do you explain the planes flying into the buildings?

The perpetrators must have had access to a centralized connection for the live video feeds to the 5 big television networks who broadcast the second crash live. They delayed the live video signal with about 5 seconds (in order to synchronize the plane animations with the fireball explosion) and inserted crude 2D computer graphics silhouettes of planes. No smaller television network, such as satellite or cable network did broadcast any live video of the second crash.

The amateur videos that appeared later, many of them staged, were edited later with 3D computer graphics insertions. Staged by the perpetrators, but the video editing could have been done as a part of the cover-up by others.

 

[Anders Lindman]

So then you are claiming that everyone that saw planes on TV were being fooled, every video of planes is faked, and that amongst the live witnesses, nobody at all saw any planes at all with their own eyes that day, just explosions and every single one of the thousands and thousands of live witnesses are only adding "seeing the plane" into their stories to rationalize it to themselves...

Wow... ... And they wonder why people laugh at them...

Yaaa

Yup. Video fakery all the way...

 

[Zep]

Yep, trolling.