The Zionist conspiracy wants another US war

twinstead said:
saggy's like a bomb sniffing dog, only for Zionist conspiracies. Well done, saggy; you've discovered another one. Those evil Zionists won't know what hit them!
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Yes they will be quaking in their boots knowing that Saggy the Armchair Aryan is on their case.
 
TSR said:
Cite?
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Right under your nose.

How much of American oil consumption came from Iran?

TSR said:
And if it was many, many years ago, why do you pretend it took so long for a response?
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The longer we can hide it, the longer our value has money. As soon as people start ditching the USD, then it fails to remain the world's reserve currency.

Pretty simple, really. That's why I said... we cannot do it. No matter what the Jews want, it's not financially possible for us. And as time passes, our money is worth less and less, and we're already in debt up to our eyebrows.

TSR said:
And how much of American oil consumption came from Iraq?
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You clearly don't understand economics. If people start saying, "we don't accept that cotton paper that you think is valuable"... essentially, withdrawing consent from our financial system... then it's obvious the money is worthless.

The longer everybody accepts the money, the longer we can give you the shaft.

twinstead said:
Ideologues need no evidence. I can only assume that grndslm thinks he's just more world-aware than we are. I mean seriously; why else WOULD we disagree with him?
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You would disagree with me, because YOU are the ones who think you're "more world-aware", which is a shame. Why would anybody want to be better than someone else? Why can't we just exist together in harmony?

I am who I am because of who we all are.

However, YOU ALL would be "more world-aware" if you started reading various independent news sites and took your eyes away from this forum every once in awhile.
 
I don't think you've been to ALL the world's societies.

And I'm not saying that other currencies AREN'T fiat. However, what I *am* saying... is that nobody likes us, because we're a bunch of big fat bullies who lie, cheat, steal, & kill in order to print more and more money, at a faster rate than our economy can possibly grow... making it implode all that much faster.
 
Saggy said:
LOL.

Anyhow, for more on the Iranial Oil Bourse, for the economically illiterate, ...

http://www.thetrumpet.com/?page=article&id=1704

Iran continues to push its weight around. Now it proposes to begin pricing oil in euros. Unfortunately, just about everyone would benefit—except the United States.
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Here's your source's credentials:
The Trumpet uses a single overarching criterion that sets it apart from other news sources and keeps it focused like a laser beam on what truly is important. That criterion is prophetic significance. The Trumpet seeks to show how current events are fulfilling the biblically prophesied description of the prevailing state of affairs just before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
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So no bias or anything. ;)
 
grndslm said:
I don't think you've been to ALL the world's societies.

And I'm not saying that other currencies AREN'T fiat. However, what I *am* saying... is that nobody likes us, because we're a bunch of big fat bullies who lie, cheat, steal, & kill in order to print more and more money, at a faster rate than our economy can possibly grow... making it implode all that much faster.
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Sorry Grndslm but all the organized nations of the world use fiat currencies and have central banks - but you knew that right

Lots of people like us - and you didn't answer what a Saudi Riyal, Bahraini Dinar or UAE dirham is, what are they grndslm? Come on do some research instead of just repeating what you've been told to believe!
 
grndslm said:
You clearly don't understand economics. If people start saying, "we don't accept that cotton paper that you think is valuable"... essentially, withdrawing consent from our financial system... then it's obvious the money is worthless.
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So, two countries we don't even trade much with are taking the currencies of the countries they *do* trade with.

How many of these countries *weren't* *already* using their own currency?

How many countries that we *do* trade with have started asking the US to use another country's currency?






What's that?




Exactly *none* and *none*?





So your "if" isn't happening, nor are either Iran or Iraq in a position to change that.





If my aunt was male, she'd be my uncle. But she's not, so it doesn't really matter if Iran or Iraq call her my uncle. Nor does it matter if they will take her dollars because she doesn't buy anything from them anyway. However, if she were so foolish as to travel there, I'm sure the currency exchange shoppe in the airport will be glad to take her dollars. What do you suppose they then do with those?
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Oil, Iran, and private companies

grndslm said:
Right under your nose.

How much of American oil consumption came from Iran?

The longer we can hide it, the longer our value has money. As soon as people start ditching the USD, then it fails to remain the world's reserve currency.
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Sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me.
Just a few posts ago, you claimed that Iraq's refusal to sell oil in US$ was why the US invaded Iraq.
Now, you're claiming that the US has not taken any action against Iran - for doing the same thing that you claimed Iraq was doing - because the US hopes that by "hiding" it, no-one will notice.
Why didn't they just ignore Iraq's actions, in that case?

Pretty simple, really. That's why I said... we cannot do it. No matter what the Jews want, it's not financially possible for us. And as time passes, our money is worth less and less, and we're already in debt up to our eyebrows.

You clearly don't understand economics. If people start saying, "we don't accept that cotton paper that you think is valuable"... essentially, withdrawing consent from our financial system... then it's obvious the money is worthless.

The longer everybody accepts the money, the longer we can give you the shaft.

You would disagree with me, because YOU are the ones who think you're "more world-aware", which is a shame. Why would anybody want to be better than someone else? Why can't we just exist together in harmony?

I am who I am because of who we all are.

However, YOU ALL would be "more world-aware" if you started reading various independent news sites and took your eyes away from this forum every once in awhile.
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You may perhaps not have realised this, but it is not the US government that buys most of the oil used in the US.

It is, instead, private companies - BP, Shell, Exxon, and a host of others.

They buy oil from governments around the world, they buy oil from other companies, and they drill their own oil.

Do you think that those companies care a great deal about which currency they pay for oil in? I suspect that the answer is "No". Sure, they may prefer US$ but they can equally well pay for oil - or be paid for oil - in Euros or in any other widely accepted currency.

This, to me, is why "oil conspiracy" arguments fail.
By and large, it's not "the government" buying the oil, it's private companies. And, by and large, it's not "the government" using the oil - it's private companies and private citizens. And even if it was the US govt buying the oil, they usually don't buy it from another government (although there are, of course, some nationally-owned oil production companies) - they usually buy it from a private company (such as the aforementioned BP, Shell and so on).

It's much easier, and much cheaper, to buy oil than it is to go to war to get some oil.
 
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TSR said:
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Can you then explain to us why it would matter in what currency other countries choose to pay for their imports, document that they were paying in dollars prior to this, and why it has taken several years for your all-powerful "Zionist conspiracy" to react to this?.
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Oil have traditionally been paid for in dollars. If enough oilexporters would change the currency it would spell trouble for the US, since it would treaten the status of the dollar as THE world currency. And that would give the US problems. In my opinion the scenario don't seem very likely though, if the other big oilproducers haven't yet made the change. Why on earth would they switch now when the euro is in serious problem?
 
dafydd said:
Why do you hate Jews?
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JimBenArm said:
Because they're smarter, better looking, and smell better.

And they don't need their mommies to dress them in the morning.
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Jhau said:
Sorry, but this doesn't make sense to me.
Just a few posts ago, you claimed that Iraq's refusal to sell oil in US$ was why the US invaded Iraq.
Now, you're claiming that the US has not taken any action against Iran - for doing the same thing that you claimed Iraq was doing - because the US hopes that by "hiding" it, no-one will notice.
Why didn't they just ignore Iraq's actions, in that case?
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Yes, that is why we invaded Iraq. American press hides things from Americans every day.

I do believe I already answered the reason that we cannot go to war with Iran. Initially, China said that they had Iran's back IMMEDIATELY after Iran made the decision to stop accepting USD. Now... our money is worthless.

So, how exactly do you propose we manage an effective world war with no monies?

Jhau said:
You may perhaps not have realised this, but it is not the US government that buys most of the oil used in the US.

It is, instead, private companies - BP, Shell, Exxon, and a host of others.

They buy oil from governments around the world, they buy oil from other companies, and they drill their own oil.
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You may perhaps not have realized this, but what good is our money if nobody accepts it??

Do you realize that China owns America, yet even they are dumping USD??

Jhau said:
This, to me, is why "oil conspiracy" arguments fail.
By and large, it's not "the government" buying the oil, it's private companies. And, by and large, it's not "the government" using the oil - it's private companies and private citizens. And even if it was the US govt buying the oil, they usually don't buy it from another government (although there are, of course, some nationally-owned oil production companies) - they usually buy it from a private company (such as the aforementioned BP, Shell and so on).
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You know how I know you failed economics?

Jhau said:
It's much easier, and much cheaper, to buy oil than it is to go to war to get some oil.
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Absolutely true. But if those OPEC nations stop accepting USD, then what do you think that does to the value of our currency??

We went to war, not to get some oil... but to make sure the value of our currency didn't drop in half over night. If all the OPEC nations did what Iraq initially did before we took them over, and what Iran did before China said they had their back... then America would have fallen to ****.

Wars are ALWAYS fought for economic reasons.

hgus said:
Oil have traditionally been paid for in dollars. If enough oilexporters would change the currency it would spell trouble for the US, since it would treaten the status of the dollar as THE world currency. And that would give the US problems. In my opinion the scenario don't seem very likely though, if the other big oilproducers haven't yet made the change. Why on earth would they switch now when the euro is in serious problem?
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Thank you. The other countries are likely afraid of our military industrial complex, even if they have the help of China.
 
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grndslm said:
Yes, that is why we invaded Iraq. American press hides things from Americans every day.

I do believe I already answered the reason that we cannot go to war with Iran. Initially, China said that they had Iran's back IMMEDIATELY after Iran made the decision to stop accepting USD. Now... our money is worthless.
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PM me and I'll give you an address to which you can send all the worthless dollar thingies you have lying around. If you want, I'll send you back a packet of oatmeal; it has obvious utility in any situation.
 
grndslm said:
Right under your nose.

How much of American oil consumption came from Iran?

The longer we can hide it, the longer our value has money. As soon as people start ditching the USD, then it fails to remain the world's reserve currency.

Pretty simple, really. That's why I said... we cannot do it. No matter what the Jews want, it's not financially possible for us. And as time passes, our money is worth less and less, and we're already in debt up to our eyebrows.

You clearly don't understand economics. If people start saying, "we don't accept that cotton paper that you think is valuable"... essentially, withdrawing consent from our financial system... then it's obvious the money is worthless.

The longer everybody accepts the money, the longer we can give you the shaft.

You would disagree with me, because YOU are the ones who think you're "more world-aware", which is a shame. Why would anybody want to be better than someone else? Why can't we just exist together in harmony?

I am who I am because of who we all are.

However, YOU ALL would be "more world-aware" if you started reading various independent news sites and took your eyes away from this forum every once in awhile.
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You know as much about economics as you do about the law.
 
grndslm said:
I don't think you've been to ALL the world's societies.

And I'm not saying that other currencies AREN'T fiat. However, what I *am* saying... is that nobody likes us, because we're a bunch of big fat bullies who lie, cheat, steal, & kill in order to print more and more money, at a faster rate than our economy can possibly grow... making it implode all that much faster.
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I like America and Americans.
 
grndslm said:
However, what I *am* saying... is that nobody likes us, because we're a bunch of big fat bullies who lie, cheat, steal, & kill
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I don't know about the killing part, but don't you think we have every reason to dislike you freeloaders on the land? I mean, it's exactly like you say. You lie, cheat and steal (perhaps even kill - I don't know) just because you refuse to do your part in society. Doesn't public dislike of you make you think that you might just be wrong?
 
Next they will be proving how Jews are responsible for the Somali Pirates, since that seems to be reaching a crisis point.
 
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