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South Tower 81st floor filled with thermite?

Why would the mystery perps of 9/11 need an 81st floor full of thermite?

Why couldn't they just... you know... smash a plane into it?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Why would the mystery perps of 9/11 need an 81st floor full of thermite?

Why couldn't they just... you know... smash a plane into it?
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I just wrote some about that. See post #19 in this thread.

EDIT: It would have been difficult to make real planes hit exactly the floors around where the thermite was rigged. Plus to hijack real planes is difficult and very risky business and who would pilot the planes? And the fire and damage caused by an airliner, without the use of thermite, would perhaps not have been enough to weaken the floors so that the collapse would start on those floors.
 
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Anders Lindman said:
Not if the managers at Fuji Bank really believed they had ordered a UPS system, but that it was in reality a kind of thermite Trojan horse that was installed.
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The Platypus said:
The paranoia in these CT kooks, sure is profound. They are afraid and suspicious of everything...
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The Platypus raises a good point here. Is this paranoia? It appears that Anders is implying the employees of the Fuji Bank are stupid and would never have noticed what they are paying for, even though the clever Truther can figure this out without even having been there.

Yes, definitely...I think the Fuji Bank would pay what probably amounted to millions for these batteries and their installation and not supervised it enough to that a fantastically dangerous situation was being created.

But no Platypus, Truthers are not paranoid. They are approachable in the extreme. They claim the government is brutal; that it murders people, and these murderers walk free. But they post their names, addresses and phone numbers on the Net. If you go to their groups and tell them you are an FBI informant, they'll invite you in because at least you'll listen to them. In fact, merely friending one of them on Facebook is an invitation to be deluged by friend requests by their bazillion and one conspiracy friends.

No, it's not paranoia. I am not sure how to describe. It appears to me to be loneliness and a need for recognition, but it's hard to say.
 
At the bottom of Anders' link, is posted the following
Christopher Bollyn and his family are MIA

My response is here

Note: I don't know what happens if you donate money or order books from Bollyn! He was providing his articles for free and depending on sales of his ABC book for children, and on donations. His charming ABC book is here.
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The top link will take you to a rather lengthy site which includes this interesting quote
Do you see any of the 9/11 "truth seekers" showing any concern about Bollyn's disappearance? Do you think they would show a concern if you disappeared? The Zionist movement is big; don't underestimate it. Almost every one of the "truth seekers" are working for Israel, the Rothschilds, or some group connected with Zionism.
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So Anders', how many of us here are working for Israel? Seriously, give me a number.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I doubt that there were separate batteries. More likely they were whole UPS units. Something like this: http://www.techsouq.com/images/SU1500i.jpg

The witness said they were never switched on. Which means that there probably were some LEDs on the boxes indicating when they were on. And I doubt that the bank used an entire floor as a storage place for unused UPS units.
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No. You completely misunderstand what is meant by "switching on" a UPS of any size. You don't even seem to have the basics learned. Do some research and try again.

Further, whether they were active, online, or just a pile of cold, unconnected batteries makes no difference to the outcome if they are consumed by fire. So your witness statements remain irrelevant.

ETA: Oh, I see. You are trying to infer that if these UPS systems were not "switched on" then they must have been canisters of thermite instead, rigged to look like UPS systems.

Perhaps it would help clear your mind to know that no company in its right mind would buy a couple of dozens tonnes of UPS and lug them up into a building and then NOT even test them to see if they work. That's an integral part of the delivery process for that type and size and expense of equipment - extensive acceptance testing. And I rather suspect a major corporation like Fuji Bank would not skip any of these steps...

Because I'm rather sure that if some person from Fuji Bank was expecting to plug in and run a UPS, and it turned into a pile of lit thermite, they would probably have noticed and reported same to management. :rolleyes:

Or in other words...you are insane.
 
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Scott Sommers said:
At the bottom of Anders' link, is posted the following


The top link will take you to a rather lengthy site which includes this interesting quote


So Anders', how many of us here are working for Israel? Seriously, give me a number.
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I don't take the article as a definite proof. Or even if what it says is the truth. Nevertheless I found it interesting that floor 81 could have been empty of people on 9/11 and could also have been rigged with thermite, that looked like UPS boxes, the whole floor filled with them according to the witness in the article.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I don't take the article as a definite proof. Or even if what it says is the truth. Nevertheless I found it interesting that floor 81 could have been empty of people on 9/11 and could also have been rigged with thermite, that looked like UPS boxes, the whole floor filled with them according to the witness in the article.
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But I do want to know your opinion on this. Could I be a spy for the Zionist cause?
 
Zep said:
No. You completely misunderstand what is meant by "switching on" a UPS of any size. You don't even seem to have the basics learned. Do some research and try again.

Further, whether they were active, online, or just a pile of cold, unconnected batteries makes no difference to the outcome if they are consumed by fire. So your witness statements remain irrelevant.

ETA: Oh, I see. You are trying to infer that if these UPS systems were not "switched on" then they must have been canisters of thermite instead, rigged to look like UPS systems.

Perhaps it would help clear your mind to know that no company in its right mind would buy a couple of dozens tonnes of UPS and lug them up into a building and then NOT even test them to see if they work. That's an integral part of the delivery process for that type and size and expense of equipment - extensive acceptance testing. And I rather suspect a major corporation like Fuji Bank would not skip any of these steps...

Because I'm rather sure that if some person from Fuji Bank was expecting to plug in and run a UPS, and it turned into a pile of lit thermite, they would probably have noticed and reported same to management. :rolleyes:

Or in other words...you are insane.
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I don't think we can rule out the possibility of tons of thermite being used on floor 81 in the South Tower so easily. The FBI or some other legal authority should at least investigate the possibility imo since there are several independent things pointing to thermite being used on that floor, such as white smoke and molten metal pouring out of the building from that floor.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I just wrote some about that. See post #19 in this thread.

EDIT: It would have been difficult to make real planes hit exactly the floors around where the thermite was rigged. Plus to hijack real planes is difficult and very risky business and who would pilot the planes? And the fire and damage caused by an airliner, without the use of thermite, would perhaps not have been enough to weaken the floors so that the collapse would start on those floors.
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Your starting from a false assumption and arguing in circles. There's no need for anything specific to have occurred at the 81st floor.

UA175 struck the south tower between floors 77-85. While AA11 struck the north tower ten floors higher.

So I'm going to ask you again; Why fill a floor with thermite? Why not smash a plane into it?
 
Anders Lindman said:
I don't think we can rule out the possibility of tons of thermite being used on floor 81 in the South Tower so easily. The FBI or some other legal authority should at least investigate the possibility imo since there are several independent things pointing to thermite being used on that floor, such as white smoke and molten metal pouring out of the building from that floor.
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What a load of rot.

UPS batteries of a decade ago were inevitably lead-acid. Lead has a fairly low melting point. When the acid in the batteries reacts due to heat it produces dense white-to-yellow smoke. So throw some lead-acid batteries in a fire and what do you think will happen?

-- They react heavily, producing smoke and heat.

-- The lead and plastic casing melts, causing shorts and even more smoke and heat, plus sparks.

-- The cases melt and split, releasing acid and molten lead on the metal cabinets and the floor. More shorting with sparks occurs. Things are well alight, including the plastic casings.

-- And thus! Hot molten metal, molten plastic, gases and smoke, all pour out of the tilting building through gaps and breaks in the walls and floors.

And not one bit of thermite in sight.


You should research U-boat and other submarine accidents with big lead-acid batteries shorting out and melting. Learn something you will!
 
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Anders Lindman said:
I don't take the article as a definite proof. Or even if what it says is the truth. Nevertheless I found it interesting that floor 81 could have been empty of people on 9/11 and could also have been rigged with thermite, that looked like UPS boxes, the whole floor filled with them according to the witness in the article.
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FYI the UPS is the entire system. Individual batteries make it up along with the control system. Obviously you know nothing/ have done no research about UPS systems. If you knew anything about thermite, you would know it has to be in contact with the metal you want to destroy. The UPS batteries are in the middle of a room on racks. If "thermite boxes" (lmao) were on the floors the plane hit you probably would have seen a lot of flowing metal withing seconds of the impacts.

Why I bother (or anyone) to you is beyond me. You have read nothing. You lie through your teeth. You have no intelligent arguments. Just stop.
 
Zep said:
What a load of rot.

UPS batteries of a decade ago were inevitably lead-acid. Lead has a fairly low melting point. When the acid in the batteries reacts due to heat it produces dense white-to-yellow smoke. So throw some lead-acid batteries in a fire and what do you think will happen?

-- They react heavily, producing smoke and heat.

-- The lead and plastic casing melts, causing shorts and even more smoke and heat, plus sparks.

-- The cases melt and split, releasing acid and molten lead on the metal cabinets and the floor. More shorting with sparks occurs. Things are well alight, including the plastic casings.

-- And thus! Hot molten metal, molten plastic, gases and smoke, all pour out of the tilting building through gaps and breaks in the walls and floors.

And not one bit of thermite in sight.


You should research U-boat and other submarine accidents with big lead-acid batteries shorting out and melting. Learn something you will!
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I work with forklifts. 100% electric are my specialty. Everything you say is correct. This one, from my "wall of shame" collection, was from the cables shorting on the battery cover when it was closed. This happened in about 1 second with lots of white smoke (as reported by the operator).
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
Your starting from a false assumption and arguing in circles. There's no need for anything specific to have occurred at the 81st floor.

UA175 struck the south tower between floors 77-85. While AA11 struck the north tower ten floors higher.

So I'm going to ask you again; Why fill a floor with thermite? Why not smash a plane into it?
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I don't believe the official story. So why not use planes in a kind of false flag attack? Because I believe one key part of the false flag attack was to have the towers collapse. Only then would the event be severe enough to not risk having the event brushed under the carpet. AND, if they needed to collapse the towers, they needed to make sure that the collapse would look like caused by airplane crashes. A real plane might NOT have been enough to cause enough weakness on the floors where the collapse must start in order for the staged event to look convincing. And therefore real planes could not be used.
 
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