Warring No planer factions- Shansksville and Pentagon no-planers vs WTC no planers

Anders Lindman said:
Maybe only because you have seen what looked like planes hitting the WTC on CNN? :rolleyes: At least they looked more like real planes (until they glided into the towers) than what can (can't) be seen in the video released from the attack on the Pentagon. :rolleyes::D
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No, it's a preponderance of evidence thing. My brain doesn't allow me to hand wave it all away as easily as you do. Personally, I would need some extraordinary evidence that the huge amount of evidence contrary to my position is fabricated to even entertain the thought, much less like you simply take that view as default. IMO it's irrational.

We're not talking about an anomaly here or an anomaly there or something that just doesn't look right, we're talking about ignoring evidence that comes from one of the best documented events in history.
 
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Justin39640 said:
No (where's the full context?)
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That's one of the first messages from GWB after the 9/11 attacks. He is telling people who have to do a cover-up: "Look, we have to do a cover-up now, and that means lying to the public in the name of national security. I set an example here by telling a blatant lie publicly, and thereby showing many of you who will need to do the same that it's ok, and that you have my support and cooperation."
 
Anders Lindman said:
My theory is that the perpetrators plan was to force the U.S. government to do a cover-up and in that way get huge political control and blackmail position plus automatic protection against the public. And they succeeded in accomplishing that.
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Seems like it'd be simpler for the government to lock the perps up, no cover up needed and great propaganda.
 
tsig said:
Seems like it'd be simpler for the government to lock the perps up, no cover up needed and great propaganda.
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Even if the U.S. government knew who the real perpetrators were, they couldn't use the legal system to prosecute them without having, or very seriously risk having, the lie about planes in the attacks exposed to the public.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Even if the U.S. government knew who the real perpetrators were, they couldn't use the legal system to prosecute them without having, or very seriously risk having, the lie about planes in the attacks exposed to the public.
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Yet some guy watching some youtube videos thinking something just doesn't "feel right" unravels the whole plot, huh? Some plan.
 
twinstead said:
Yet some guy watching some youtube videos thinking something just doesn't "feel right" unravels the whole plot, huh? Some plan.
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If there is any truth to my speculations then thousands of thousands of people already know the plot, and know it much better than my shooting-from-hip attempts to unravel it.
 
Anders Lindman said:
If there is any truth to my speculations then thousands of thousands of people already know the plot, and know it much better than my shooting-from-hip attempts to unravel it.
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Of course. But if there's no truth to your speculations then your shooting-from-hip attempts to unravel it could be construed as being a little irrational, wouldn't you say? ;)
 
twinstead said:
Of course. But if there's no truth to your speculations then your shooting-from-hip attempts to unravel it could be construed as being a little irrational, wouldn't you say? ;)
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I'm just trying to find an explanation that covers the big picture instead of just saying that Bush said foolish things by mistake, which imo is the irrational view. Those were deliberate and carefully beforehand prepared speeches, especially the parts with GWB's 'blunders'.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I'm just trying to find an explanation that covers the big picture instead of just saying that Bush said foolish things by mistake, which imo is the irrational view. Those were deliberate and carefully beforehand prepared speeches, especially the parts with GWB's 'blunders'.
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But at the end of the day you really don't know at all, do you?
 
twinstead said:
But at the end of the day you really don't know at all, do you?
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I'm not entirely sure, but for example GWB's lie about seeing the first plane on television he said at at least two separate occasions, so it was hardly a mistake.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Are you sure about that? My amateur guess would be that the 6x6 posts design would be able to hold more weight than 4x4 posts for the same platform. And similarly, that the stronger columns at lower floors would make it possible for those floors to hold more weight than the floors higher up in the towers.
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Yes a 6X6 post would have a greater ability to carry a load BUT the load must be transfered to those posts from the platform and IF the platform itself fails then the load will not be transfered to the posts. Keep in mind that the platform is not on top of the posts. The plywood sits on the 2X4s which are in turn nailed to the sides of the posts. The ability of any one floor to carry a load AND transfer that load to the columns depends solely on the construction of the floor pan and the attachment to the columns. This is essentially the same as the way the WTC tower flooprs were attached to the columns.
Thus once again you demonstrate for all to see that you have little or no concept of the construction of the towers, or the physics/engineering involved.
 
Anders Lindman said:
I'm not entirely sure, but for example GWB's lie about seeing the first plane on television he said at at least two separate occasions, so it was hardly a mistake.
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GWB said a lot of stupid things during his tenure; his verbal slip-ups are legion.
You're simply cherry-picking those which fit your bias.

Your approach seems to fit the NCTTS model: 'No Conspiracy Theory is Too Stupid'
 
Let's take Anders' latest approach 'seriously', shall we?
GWB always mispronounced the word 'nuclear' as 'nukular'. This was obviously a secret code to his commanders that America's nuclear stockpile is a hoax, and that there are no nuclear weapons.
Why else would he refuse to say the word correctly? He KNOWS it's a hoax. The weapons tests were all faked, and Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happened - just like the holocaust.

Here's some other Bushisms to ponder:

'"I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." —Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004'
This is a coded admission that GWB is actually a woman pretending to be a man. The real GWB was abducted and is being held in Area 51. One further clue is that GWB looks way too good in a thong. ;)

'This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table." --Brussels, Belgium, Feb. 22, 2005'
This was said just months before the 2007 American invasion of Iran. Nobody saw it coming....

'You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." --to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 '
This encouragement is code that Bush wanted Americans to divorce, especially if they had children.

'"I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004'
This is definitive evidence that there are multiple internets - the Official Government Internet, which is actually a complete lie, and the real internets, owned and operated by the shadowy NWO and Illuminati elites. Anybody who dares to write about this will be instantly tracked down (thru the internets) and liquida...
 
Anders Lindman said:
Are you sure about that? My amateur guess would be that the 6x6 posts design would be able to hold more weight than 4x4 posts for the same platform.
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No, not at all. The weak point is the 2x4 joists, and possibly their connections (are they just toe-nailed or are brackets used?), and that is what will fail.
 
Anders Lindman said:
My main point is that the no planes scenario is not as crazy as many people say or believe.
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It's even crazier.

I'm of the opinion that all WTC no-planers are mentally ill, because healthy brains just don't think this way. Schizophrenia is a bitch, those who suffer from it usually have no idea they are sick.
 
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WildCat said:
No, there's not. Not a single one.
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What facts are you referring to? The quote was snipped out of context.

EDIT: If the quote was about facts indicating no planes, then yes all the black boxes missing at Ground Zero is one. If there really were real planes, would the investigators be interested in the black boxes? Yes, they would. Could they have found the black boxes if they would have put in enough resources in the search? Yes, most likely.
 
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