Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

Craig4 said:
Why not simply accept the blatantly obvious fact that 19 Muslims and their supporters conspired to carry out the 9/11 attacks? There is no hidden hand. There are no Israeli puppeteers. There is simply a group of insane Muslims called Al Qaida who conducted the attacks. This doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorists or agree with Bin Laden. I know for a fact that vast majority of Turks do not. Instead of finding made up reasons to pretend the attackers weren't Muslims why don't you try to confront the fact that there are some really insane Muslims out there who are very dangerous?
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I don't knowwhom yo uask that question. My answer is simple: If USA administration gave strong evidence that proves everydetail with open evidence, everything free and accessible from internet, with strong and right official report, ... I'll have no problem to accept that Muslims made 9/11 and try to understand why and work to stop such terror attacks.

Unfortunately this was not the case. USA administration lied, produced fake evidence, hidden strong evidence, ... The facts are not consistent with 4 teams made operation. It's so simple! What's wrong in that?

Why should the actual perpetrators not be identified, why should they not be charged. Could the humanity accept such crimes unsolved? I don't think. For me, such crime should be solved and perpetrators charged.

For better understanding, you should study my web site www.peace911.org . There, I tried to give all evidence why the official story is wrong, why there was no 4 terror teams, why Muslims are not involved, how the attacks were made, ...

Your critics are welcome. My work is open for critics. Just be sincere, honest, scientific.
 
That Americans would perpetrate such an atrocity on their own people is an extraordinary claim without evidence.
 
mehmetin said:
I don't knowwhom yo uask that question. My answer is simple: If USA administration gave strong evidence that proves everydetail with open evidence, everything free and accessible from internet, with strong and right official report, ... I'll have no problem to accept that Muslims made 9/11 and try to understand why and work to stop such terror attacks.

Unfortunately this was not the case. USA administration lied, produced fake evidence, hidden strong evidence, ... The facts are not consistent with 4 teams made operation. It's so simple! What's wrong in that?

Why should the actual perpetrators not be identified, why should they not be charged. Could the humanity accept such crimes unsolved? I don't think. For me, such crime should be solved and perpetrators charged.

For better understanding, you should study my web site www.peace911.org . There, I tried to give all evidence why the official story is wrong, why there was no 4 terror teams, why Muslims are not involved, how the attacks were made, ...

Your critics are welcome. My work is open for critics. Just be sincere, honest, scientific.
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Well, we've identified the 19 hijackers, some of whom made suicide tapes. We have phone calls from the plane explaining what happened. We have information from other countries about the hijackers, we have Mousoui's confession and we have Bin Laden on tape taking responsibility. That's damning evidence. What more do we need?
 
twinstead said:
You have NO idea how much this sounds like different sects of a cult arguing among themselves.

You see yourself as an objective seeker of truth. We see you as a member of a tiny irrational cult. We see you as you are; you see yourself as you wish you would be.
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My work was never similar to a cult or sect. I am a technician, I work on rational thinking, strong material and scientific evidence. Unfortunately I did not found that in truther groups. With that post, I wanted them to know that definitely.

My deal was to find "how the events were made". As the events were made ONE time, there is only one explanation that is fully consistent with the available evidence. In such research, there is no place for hundreds of individual evidence that are not consistent each with other. All evidence should be consistent each with other and all should be consistent with one true explanation of the attacks.

Since several years, those groups created so big mountain of confusion, disinformation, lies, … that everybody who enters these groups is lost inside the lies, the confusions. I want to remain clean from all those disinformation. I do not have more time to waste with them.

Do not worry; they know what I am telling. I mean their leaders know that. Steven Jones, Victoria Ashley, Jim Fetzer, and too many others that I forget their names, know that clearly. And in all cases, I took the required time to be honest and polite with them. Finally all escaped the discussion and continued their silly work.

So, I must stop them. I can not accept the introduction of crazy theories into the truth. I want the attacks be known, simple, understood. No confusion, no lies, no disinfo, …
 
Craig4 said:
Well, we've identified the 19 hijackers, some of whom made suicide tapes. We have phone calls from the plane explaining what happened. We have information from other countries about the hijackers, we have Mousoui's confession and we have Bin Laden on tape taking responsibility. That's damning evidence. What more do we need?
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- Suicide tapes could be produced today.
- The cellular phone calls are impossible from the planes flying at about 30000ft.
- The events happened inside USA, the information given by other countries, which are allies of USA and under the orders of USA, are not evidence.
- Moussaoui trial was out of justice rules, it was not impartial. Finally he made appeal.
- Bin Ladin tape is fake.

What you need more? Good question!
You need to explain all the chain of evidence with strong logical explanation. Especially the followings questions were never explained :
- How and why 4 different teams succeeded to make successive hijacks.
- The reason of every detail of the flight routes of the planes. For example: why AA77 flew during 34 minutes before it get back near its take off airport? Why all the videos of AA77 before it hit the Pentagon are hidden? And there are hundreds of such questions.
- Why the damage span on the pentagon façade is smaller than a 757.
- Why the twin towers collapse?
- Why the official reports considered the core section as empty and boring nothing while it’s the strongest part of the structure.
- Why there was so much dust ejected outwards and away?
- Why the bottom parts of the towers collapsed while they were not heated by fire?

- Why Moussaoui was kept 3 weeks before the strikes on the road going to get lessons on a 747 while the reserved flights were 757 or 767?
- Why the released lists did not contain all names of the hijacker?
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I explained how the strikes were made. Please have a look and get back with your questions. www.peace911.org .
 
This thread is now the #5 google result for "peace911," so I guess the spamming is successful. Or something.

mehmetin, allow me to be one of many many people to tell you that you are wrong about cell phones not working at altitude in 2001. You are wrong about a whole lot more than that, but believe me - you are dead wrong about the cell phones.
 
911 Commission Report, pages 238 and 239.
 

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carlitos said:
This thread is now the #5 google result for "peace911," so I guess the spamming is successful. Or something.

mehmetin, allow me to be one of many many people to tell you that you are wrong about cell phones not working at altitude in 2001. You are wrong about a whole lot more than that, but believe me - you are dead wrong about the cell phones.
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You want discuss with us? Tell us how and why cell phones work at altitude. Then we can discuss.

For me, the follwing reasons proves they don't work :
1- For energy reduction and better reception of the ground located phones, the antennas are horizontally guided.
2- The speed of the planes is so much quick that the plane gets out of one antenna before create any connection.
 
I Ratant said:
911 Commission Report, pages 238 and 239.
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Those pictures are not evidence. They can be found everywhere, you can find hundreds, thousands, and also millions.

But this sentence in that official report is a material evidence of huge lie :

"These exterior walls bore most of the weight of the building. The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in shich elevators and stairwells were grouped."

The reality is exactly the reverse.

The evidences given by the official reports are ofthen LIES. I do not more believe on the official reports. No official authority can defend their reports. That's why there is no justice about these horrible attacks.
 
mehmetin said:
Those pictures are not evidence. They can be found everywhere, you can find hundreds, thousands, and also millions.

But this sentence in that official report is a material evidence of huge lie :

"These exterior walls bore most of the weight of the building. The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in shich elevators and stairwells were grouped."

The reality is exactly the reverse.

The evidences given by the official reports are ofthen LIES. I do not more believe on the official reports. No official authority can defend their reports. That's why there is no justice about these horrible attacks.
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Betty Ong?

Nydia Gonzalez: Uh, okay. Hold on.

Nydia Gonzalez: Hey Betty, do you know any information as far as the gents, the men that are in the cockpit with the pilots, were they from first class?

Betty Ong: They were sitting in 2A and B.

Nydia Gonzalez: They were sitting in 2A and B

A.A. Em. Line: Okay.

Nydia Gonzalez: They are in the cockpit with the pilots.

A.A. Em. Line: Who's helping them is there a doctor on board?

Nydia Gonzalez: Is there a doctor on board that's assisting you guys? You don't have any doctors on board. Okay. So you've gotten all the first class passengers out of first class?

A.A. Em. Line: Have the flight attendants taken everyone out of first class?

Nydia Gonzalez: Yeah, she's just saying that they have. They're in coach. What's going on honey? Okay, the aircraft is erratic again. Flying very erratically. She did say all the first class passengers have been moved back to coach, so first class, the cabin is empty. What's going on on your end?

A.A. Em. Line: Uh, we contacted ATC, they are going to handle this as a confirmed hijacking. So they're moving all the traffic out of this aircraft's way.

A.A. Em. Line: Okay

A.A. Em. Line: Uh, he turned his transponder off, so we don't have a definitive altitude for him. We're just going by, they seem to think that they have him on a primary radar. They seem to think he is descending.

Nydia Gonzalez: Okay.

A.A. Em. Line: Okay Nydia?

Nydia Gonzalez: Yes dear I'm here.

A.A. Em. Line: I have a dispatcher currently taking the amount of fuel on board.

Nydia Gonzalez: Uh huh.

A.A. Em. Line: And we're gonna run some profiles, to see exactly what his endurance is.

(Plane hits North Tower of World Trade Center)

Nydia Gonzalez: She doesn't have any idea who the stabbed passenger might be in first. Apparently they might have spread something so they're having a hard time breathing. What's going on Betty? Betty, talk to me. Betty, are you there? Betty? What, do you think we lost her? Okay so we'll like keep the line open. We—I think we might have lost her.

A.A. Em. Line: Okay
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There's lots more if you care.
 
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mehmetin said:
Those pictures are not evidence. They can be found everywhere, you can find hundreds, thousands, and also millions.

But this sentence in that official report is a material evidence of huge lie :

"These exterior walls bore most of the weight of the building. The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in shich elevators and stairwells were grouped."

The reality is exactly the reverse.

The evidences given by the official reports are ofthen LIES. I do not more believe on the official reports. No official authority can defend their reports. That's why there is no justice about these horrible attacks.
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The elevators and stairs were in the exterior walls? :confused:
 
Sideroxylon said:
Among other things, your response seems to demonstrate a serious lack of understanding of the scale of the 9/11 tragedy and its impact on the U.S.
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Don't worry. To make people believe the official lies, they turned the events into huge propagande and brain washing without making actual justice.

Independent justice must be made, perpetrators shuld be identified and charged. When US citizen will be able to walk for justice before white house, things will change.
 
mehmetin said:
Don't worry. To make people believe the official lies, they turned the events into huge propagande and brain washing without making actual justice.

Independent justice must be made, perpetrators shuld be identified and charged. When US citizen will be able to walk for justice before white house, things will change.
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Those you accuse have nothing to do with the White House anymore...
 
mehmetin said:
Don't worry. To make people believe the official lies, they turned the events into huge propagande and brain washing without making actual justice.

Independent justice must be made, perpetrators shuld be identified and charged. When US citizen will be able to walk for justice before white house, things will change.
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Yes, but to us, you are just an irrational ideologue too wrapped up in politics and ideology to be considered an objective source of information about 9-11.

I can go on any street corner in any large city in the world and find wild-eyed old men telling me crazy stories about conspiracies. I just step over them and get on with my day.
 
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