Warring No planer factions- Shansksville and Pentagon no-planers vs WTC no planers

[beachnut]

Comparing a F4 weighing a few tons to a 757 weighing several dozen tons and a crash into a ten foot thick solid block of concrete to a high rise office building exterior.

Totaly exactly the same thing Anders, totally the same thing

Explaining physics to morons. A waste of time. But funny stuff.


No-plane is a special category of stupid. Ironic, they claim no plane in PA, photos show thousands of aircraft parts from a 600 mph impact. Physics should be mandatory. An understanding of physics required before giving out internet accounts - do moms know their kids are in the basement posting delusional claims, exposing their kids as morons?

 

[Anders Lindman]

Physics should be mandatory.

Physics? Like all 4 black boxes at Ground Zero evaporating into thin air? What kind of physics is that?

 

[Justin39640]

But you wrote that the man did a rewind and noticed the plane. How do you know he did?

Cause he's not all over the news and internet screaming "SOMEONE CGI'D A PLANE INTO MY VIDEO!"

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Physics? Like all 4 black boxes at Ground Zero evaporating into thin air? What kind of physics is that?

You don't have any evidence that the black boxes "evaporated into thin air". It's your running imagination that thinks up stupid ****.

 

[beachnut]

You don't have any evidence that the black boxes "evaporated into thin air". It's your running imagination that thinks up stupid ****.

Just because football is over does not mean you can tease the no plane factions who spew insane claims and make up delusional nonsense.

Using the Ignore button makes it look funnier, the posts from the person on ignore improve by several, if not thousands orders of magnitude.

Who took HS Physics? Was your teacher a football coach? Would taking physics help protect your mind from the mental disease of noplanery?

For the warring factions we need a better term for the mental problem I am calling, noplanery. Tell them what the winner gets...

Would physics stop noplanery factions from warring due to sudden snap back to reality.

 

[Anders Lindman]

You don't have any evidence that the black boxes "evaporated into thin air".

Exactly. Because there were no real planes and therefore no black boxes found at Ground Zero.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Exactly. Because there were no real planes and therefore no black boxes found at Ground Zero.

You know, millions of people watched on TV as the 2nd plane went into WTC2. Thousands saw the 1st & 2nd planes hit both Towers in the streets of NYC. There's also witnesses at the Pentagon who said they saw Flight 77 hit the building (including those on the adjacent highway). Hundreds saw Flight 93 (including Pilot Bill Wright):

http://www.wtae.com/news/966339/detail.html

Your whole "no planes" theory is just a made up bunch of BS that I've ever heard in my entire life.

Not a single witness was ever reported as seeing "no planes". You know why Anders? Because it's BS!

You come to JREF gossiping the "no plane" theory, without any shred of evidence, and you expect everyone here to buy into that crazy theory? You see, people here have evidence that planes existed, you come here without any evidence to counter with.

Who are people gonna believe:

Some idiot who thinks "no planes" existed without evidence?

or

Believe those who have physical evidence (photos/video & wreckage) to prove that planes existed?

 

[Craig4]

Exactly. Because there were no real planes and therefore no black boxes found at Ground Zero.

Except for those four.

 

[jaydeehess]

The fake plane entered the building horizontally, not from above. So it's the resistance the floors made horizontally that would make the plane splash more across the facade. Heck, even the exterior columns would make a splash of the plane too I reckon.

An odd response to my pointing out your incorrect characterisation that the floors got bigger and stronger lower down on the structure.

Fact is that in the F4 video had it struck a 10 inch thick concrete slab the a/c would have done serious damage to the slab. The bulk of it would be above and below the slab and carry on but the impact would allow a buckling and shattering of the leading edge of the concrete.
However a more relevent analogy would be to have a string of F4s all moving at 500 MPH hit the slab.

Just as a stream of 7.62mm bullets fired from an AK47 can easily penetrate a concrete block so too can a heavy fast object. The whole thing is a matter of transfer of momentum to other objects.

I reckon that very little of the aircraft would 'splash' and that what did would be undistiguishable from other, building facde, debris.

 

[jaydeehess]

Because like the tennis racket analogy I made earlier, a real crash would have resulted in more splash across the impact surface. The plane hit a grid of steel and concrete. The floors alone would have resisted the plane and caused a huge splash directly at impact.

Hamburg, Germany, a 747 travelling much slower than the a/c on 9/11 hit an apartment building and rammed right through out. All but a small amount of debris was on the exit side.
Concrete foors and much more substantial interior walls than WTC though a much less thick building.

 

[Anders Lindman]

An odd response to my pointing out your incorrect characterisation that the floors got bigger and stronger lower down on the structure.

Fact is that in the F4 video had it struck a 10 inch thick concrete slab the a/c would have done serious damage to the slab. The bulk of it would be above and below the slab and carry on but the impact would allow a buckling and shattering of the leading edge of the concrete.
However a more relevent analogy would be to have a string of F4s all moving at 500 MPH hit the slab.

Just as a stream of 7.62mm bullets fired from an AK47 can easily penetrate a concrete block so too can a heavy fast object. The whole thing is a matter of transfer of momentum to other objects.

I reckon that very little of the aircraft would 'splash' and that what did would be undistiguishable from other, building facde, debris.

And what if the F-4 had hit several floors of concrete and steel horizontally? B t w, the floors may have had the same construction all the way, but their support would be stronger the lower the floor and thus be able to carry more weight (when the weight is spread out over the floor).

 

[Anders Lindman]

Hamburg, Germany, a 747 travelling much slower than the a/c on 9/11 hit an apartment building and rammed right through out. All but a small amount of debris was on the exit side.
Concrete foors and much more substantial interior walls than WTC though a much less thick building.

Was that really a real crash?

 

[Anders Lindman]

You know, millions of people watched on TV as the 2nd plane went into WTC2. Thousands saw the 1st & 2nd planes hit both Towers in the streets of NYC. There's also witnesses at the Pentagon who said they saw Flight 77 hit the building (including those on the adjacent highway). Hundreds saw Flight 93 (including Pilot Bill Wright):

http://www.wtae.com/news/966339/detail.html

Your whole "no planes" theory is just a made up bunch of BS that I've ever heard in my entire life.

Not a single witness was ever reported as seeing "no planes". You know why Anders? Because it's BS!

You come to JREF gossiping the "no plane" theory, without any shred of evidence, and you expect everyone here to buy into that crazy theory? You see, people here have evidence that planes existed, you come here without any evidence to counter with.

Who are people gonna believe:

Some idiot who thinks "no planes" existed without evidence?

or

Believe those who have physical evidence (photos/video & wreckage) to prove that planes existed?

No witness may have reported "no planes" but some have reported "no plane" (see previous posts).

Millions of people watched the alleged first moon landing too! And that was a total hoax. People are so naive when it comes to trusting authorities. Check the facts boys and girls. Your authorities are not always as trustworthy as you have been conditioned to believe.

 

[jaydeehess]

B t w, the floors may have had the same construction all the way, but their support would be stronger the lower the floor and thus be able to carry more weight (when the weight is spread out over the floor).

NOooooo!!
You are so wrong it is mind boggling.


The ability these floor pans to carry a load has NOTHING at all to do with the size of the column to which it transfers its load. It has to do with the size of the trusses and the truss seats. (all of which are essentially the same on all 110 floors)

If you use 4X4 posts to support a platform(floor) of 2X4s and 3/4" plywood that platform will fail at a certain mass loading. Switch to 6X6 posts and the platform(floor) will fail at the same mass loading(even if spread out over the platform).

The reason why the columns got thicker was because they had to support to combined load transfered to them from all the floors above.

Given that you have now repeated this gross misunderstanding of the physics/engineering involved there is utterly no reason at all to lend any credibility to any opinions you have.

 

[jaydeehess]

No witness may have reported "no planes" but some have reported "no plane" (see previous posts).

But your contention would have that every single witness in the area of Manhattan who did report "seeing" an aircraft impact be a fake. A convienient way of ignoring any evidence contrary to your entrenched prejudicial and politically motivated view.

Millions of people watched the alleged first moon landing too!

Yeah , I was one of them.

And that was a total hoax.

Bring your evidence of this HERE

People are so naive when it comes to trusting authorities. Check the facts boys and girls. Your authorities are not always as trustworthy as you have been conditioned to believe.

Nahhh, I know that there were no WMDs, I know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I know that Rummy was incompetant in his job and the GWB was just as out of his league. I know that there was a lot of CYA going on in the aftermath of 9/11 but I also know that the giant Rube-Goldberg machinations that you contend were afoot are bat crap crazy.

 

[jaydeehess]

Was that really a real crash?

You have reason to doubt it, or is this more 'it was faked' excuse to ignore evidence contrary to your prejudices?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

No witness may have reported "no planes" but some have reported "no plane" (see previous posts).

Millions of people watched the alleged first moon landing too! And that was a total hoax. People are so naive when it comes to trusting authorities. Check the facts boys and girls. Your authorities are not always as trustworthy as you have been conditioned to believe.

You're running out of excuses, aren't ya? LOL!

Oh boy, you think the moon landing was "faked" too? Well NASA didn't spend millions on those Saturn 5 rockets for nothing. The only thing that's a hoax is the Conspiracy Theories surrounding 9/11. Richard Gage, David Ray Griffin, Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas, Korey Rowe & the rest of the loons in the Truth Movement are your authorities, so you're saying that they're not trustworthy? Could've told everyone that nitwit!

 

[Anders Lindman]

If you use 4X4 posts to support a platform(floor) of 2X4s and 3/4" plywood that platform will fail at a certain mass loading. Switch to 6X6 posts and the platform(floor) will fail at the same mass loading(even if spread out over the platform).

Are you sure about that? My amateur guess would be that the 6x6 posts design would be able to hold more weight than 4x4 posts for the same platform. And similarly, that the stronger columns at lower floors would make it possible for those floors to hold more weight than the floors higher up in the towers.

 

[Anders Lindman]

You're running out of excuses, aren't ya? LOL!

Oh boy, you think the moon landing was "faked" too? Well NASA didn't spend millions on those Saturn 5 rockets for nothing. The only thing that's a hoax is the Conspiracy Theories surrounding 9/11. Richard Gage, David Ray Griffin, Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas, Korey Rowe & the rest of the loons in the Truth Movement are your authorities, so you're saying that they're not trustworthy? Could've told everyone that nitwit!

Ha! There you are mistaken. Maybe you will think I have gone hyper paranoid but I believe most 'famous' conspiracy researchers are controlled opposition, i.e. untrustworthy authorities. The moon landings are off topic, but let me just add that AIDS is a total hoax too!!! (Now people will maybe think I'm a complete tinfoil hat kook, but there are some serious facts supporting those claims.)

 

[Craig4]

Are you sure about that? My amateur guess would be that the 6x6 posts design would be able to hold more weight than 4x4 posts for the same platform. And similarly, that the stronger columns at lower floors would make it possible for those floors to hold more weight than the floors higher up in the towers.

However you don't know what you're talking about so your guess has no value.