Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[Oystein]

Sorry, that's not reliable! The success probability is 0.00001%.

How do you know this? What is your material evidence?

On whose competence does this claim rest?
Yours???

 

[Oystein]

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I am older than you! I have too much more wide experience than you who my only flight planes.

How old are you?

What is your specific experience with planes? Please name the aircraft types you have flown, built, repaired, or designed.

As far as I know, beachnut is a retired pilot and trained and experienced plane crash investigator. He has a lifetime of hands-on experience with both intact and crashed planes.
Now you!

 

[Zep]

He's flown in one at least once as a passenger. Or so he says.

He is insisting in his evidence that it was a 737 and not a 757 that hit the Pentagon. Despite the 757-sized mountain of evidence that says he is wrong, he is calling this a Jewish conspiracy. Because in the 30-60 seconds it took for the first responders on the scene, an unseen crowd of Jewish/Mossad agents rushed in, removed the hundred-odd tonnes the evidence it was a 737 and substituted another hundred tonnes of 757 parts and burned dead bodies.

It all makes sense in his little mind!



Or he is the world's worst troll.

 

[DGM]

The phone calls are NOT critical for my work. The main evidence that support my work is the succession of the hijacks, and it's 100% checked verified, and you can verify it yourself.

Did you forget your own "theory"? According to you, the occupants of the planes were killed with "gas". So yes, the calls (and CVR) are very critical. As for they succession of the attacks, I don't see how this proves anything. If UA 93 took off on time it still would not have been intercepted. In fact they might have succeeded considering the passengers would not have known what was going on.

But the phone calls are fake and they are critical for the official story because their theory is mostly based on these impossible phone calls.

No, they're not important at all. They simply add another layer to the proof that was found after the attacks. You remember this proof, it's the ever growing list of things you need to call fake.

You really need such explanation? You have no logics? But the answer is simple: All evidences should be interconnected, each evidence should be consistent with others and it should be consistent with all possible physical laws.

In other word, an independent evidence which technically impossible and which not supported by any other evidence is meaningless and should be considered as lie or not related to the events. But another evidence which is consistent by 2 to 10 other evidences should be considered as strong evidence.

Not when you have to ignore evidence in order for evidence to be even considered. You violate your own rule with the "gassing the plane". You need to claim evidence as fake in order for you "theory" to work. The cockpit voice recorder of UA 93 was recovered and tells a story that you must ignore. DNA evidence you must ignore. The list goes on.

For the "official" story, what do we have to ignore?

 

[fess]

teh tomahawk system remains totally independent from plane's systems. It just replaced the pilots who are also not connected to the plane's systems, except if you prove us that the pilots are connected to the electronic systems of the planes trough their brain!

WTF does the above mean? You sure as hell didn’t answer the simple questions, so how are you going to react to the harder questions? Explain how the Tomahawk guidance system takes a scenic route over four states to reach its target.

 

[Oystein]

WTF does the above mean? You sure as hell didn’t answer the simple questions, so how are you going to react to the harder questions? Explain how the Tomahawk guidance system takes a scenic route over four states to reach its target.

I have to admit I don't get the relevance of the four states, and what you mean by "scenic".

 

[mehmetin]

Are you aware that pilots and airline crews perform extensive technical checks before each flight, going through long check lists and looking at every part of the plane that is important for flying?

Sure, such modification will not be installed to be visible; it should be added behind covers. I do not imagine the pilots or crew every time check whole cables going from control systems to the hydraulic actuators. That’s as you open the motor of your car and check everywhere in your car.

Are you aware that installing the mechanics you imagine here takes a lot of time - days, weeks, months?

That duration depend on how the design was made. If the design is made professionally (for exempale by some employees of Raytheon who dead on the strikes), the install time could be reduced up to about 1 hour.

Are you aware that the four planes that crashed that day had been in normal service for some time before 9/11?

You must therefore assume that all the maintenance crews of American Airlines, United Airlines and Boeing on all the airports that the 4 planes had stopped during the days, weeks, months before 9/11 must either be part of the conspiracy and have covered up that they found robots and cables on the cockpit controls, or all would have had to be extremely incompetent. In the latter case, the conspiracy would still have run an extreme risk of being uncovered by even incompetent pilots and technicians.

With 1 to 4 hours operations (that covers all required things) there is no need for special operation on the planes.

As I told you, the maintenance data of these planes are deleted from international databases.

 

[mehmetin]

Not really a robot in that meaning. Just three linear axis that moves the flight controls. The flight controls that the pilots moves in left-right and forward-backward are transformed into linear movements of cables under the pilots' seats. Just moving these cables in linear way.

Did they use hydraulic actuators to move the cables?

No. In a plane the hydraulic actuators act on the last stage when controlling the flight surfaces. The pilots act on small troq systems. We cen tall that with about 100W motor it's possible to control the wings. Also the required movements should be at low speed.

 

[mehmetin]

But my belief about the “truthers” is that they are disinformation agents and ... most of the truthers’ leaders are part of the cover up. That’s why I clearly left them and I put clear difference to them all.

Do you have any material evidence or compelling logic for that?

See my web site. http://www.peace911.org/Terrorists911.htm

How does that information affect the veracity of your claims and the strength of your arguments? Does being a Muslim make a lie true, or an error correct? Or do you think Muslims are generally more trustworthy than, say, Christians, Jews or atheists? Why?

As Muslim I have the motivation to find the truth. That's all.

Why must this be an international affair? The crime was done in the USA. Would Turkey accept an international tribunal for terror attacks in Istanbul?

If you want to get finish with any critics any refusal on your claims, you must accept international investigation. Without that there will always be people who will refuse your claims. But with international investigation, every people should close up. Including me! In other words, "you show open information, we just accept!"

 

[mehmetin]

For the "official" story, what do we have to ignore?

You have to ignore the succession of the hijacks, and since nearly 10 years, that has been ignored by all official reports.

Up to now, you were unable to debunk any of my main claims:
- The succession of the hijacks proving one team made operation.
- The pentagon plane was smaller than a 757.
- The twin towers were demolished by planted radio controlled explosives.

We can tell that the official story is a white lie.

 

[Oystein]

Sure, such modification will not be installed to be visible; it should be added behind covers. I do not imagine the pilots or crew every time check whole cables going from control systems to the hydraulic actuators. That’s as you open the motor of your car and check everywhere in your car.

And you imagine, in your total cluelessness, that technicians don't have the license to open and remove covers? Most of the things that they check are behind something. Anything attached to the moving parts of the cockpit controls WILL be found.

That duration depend on how the design was made. If the design is made professionally (for exempale by some employees of Raytheon who dead on the strikes), the install time could be reduced up to about 1 hour.

Got material evidence for that?
Otherwise, here is the simple reply: No.

(Your English is a little confusing here. Do you want to say that Rayethon employees manipulated the plane and then went on the plane to die in it?? Suicide technicians?? I am sure you had to laugh at that silly idea yourself when you had it)

With 1 to 4 hours operations (that covers all required things) there is no need for special operation on the planes.

No.

As I told you, the maintenance data of these planes are deleted from international databases.

Are the PEOPLE deleted who did that maintenance? Are the PEOPLE deleted who manipulated the plane? Are the PEOPLE deleted who deleted the maintenance data? Do you have an estimate about how many people we are talking about here? Dozends? Hundreds?

 

[Oystein]

See my web site. http://www.peace911.org/Terrorists911.htm

That's not what I asked for. I ask for specific material evidence for a specific claim you made. Such evidence cannot be on your website. You must point to other sources. Please do so, or give me the deep link on your webpage that contains those original links to material evidence.

As Muslim I have the motivation to find the truth. That's all.

Are you claiming that I as an atheist, Johnny as Christian or Jill as a Jewess do not have the motivation to find the truth? Why do you think that?

I on the other hand say that if there are any differences at all, muslims might have the lowest motivation to find the truth, because the truth (evil muslims killing women and children because of their evil interpretation of Islam) is embarrassing to them.

If you want to get finish with any critics any refusal on your claims, you must accept international investigation. Without that there will always be people who will refuse your claims. But with international investigation, every people should close up. Including me! In other words, "you show open information, we just accept!"

No. There is prima facie no reason to trust any people more than any other.

However, you wil find that lots of what we know and have studied about 9/11 comes from international studies, groups and individuals.

 

[DGM]

Up to now, you were unable to debunk any of my main claims:
- The succession of the hijacks proving one team made operation.

Proved how? You say this but have not shown any reason to believe your right.

- The pentagon plane was smaller than a 757.

Ah no, the aircraft size is exactly right. The plane hit the building at an angle. The FDR was also recovered showing previous flights. Faked, right?

- The twin towers were demolished by planted radio controlled explosives.

And I should believe you why? Because you are Muslim?

We can tell that the official story is a white lie.

How's that? Because you think so?

 

[Crazytimes]

Strange thing happened to me yesterday. I took a flight from Tampa Florida, connecting in Atlanta Georgia then on to my final destination in Austin Texas. When I landed in Georgia to get on my next plane I turned my phone on to see if I received any work emails or calls. I forgot to turn the phone off and in mid air, halfway to Austin I got a text message from a co worker in Tampa. I quickly turned my phone off.

We were cruising at 35,000 feet. How on earth would I have received that mesage ?

I am very tempted to take a picture of the text message, provide my flight times and prove you wrong once again but I am not going to go through the effort. Everyone else here has done a great job of proving you wrong and you dismiss it beause you hate jews.

 

[WildCat]

I can tell you clearly, I have strong evidence against the official reports, they contain huge lies.

When will you be documenting one of these lies? You've wasted a lot of time here with complete tripe, don't you think it's time to get to your evidence?

 

[Crazytimes]

When will you be documenting one of these lies? You've wasted a lot of time here with complete tripe, don't you think it's time to get to your evidence?

Yes, please pick ONE single lie. I know this never works when I ask for ONE single lie or your BEST piece of "evidence" but since you are a MUSLIM researcher maybe I will get a different answer than -

"Larry Silverstein (dirty jew) said to pull it"

or

"Fire doesn't melt steel"

or

"People heard explosions"

and so on and so on.

 

[Oystein]

You have to ignore the succession of the hijacks, and since nearly 10 years, that has been ignored by all official reports.

Up to now, you were unable to debunk any of my main claims:

- The succession of the hijacks proving one team made operation.

No, this is a FALSE claim. We have told you what logical fallacy you are committing here: It is the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. According to Wikipedia...

"The Texas sharpshooter fallacy is a logical fallacy in which information that has no relationship is interpreted or manipulated until it appears to have meaning"​

The succession of the hijacks is a very possible and not at all unlikely outcome of 4 planes planned to be hijacked within an hour of each other. The exact timing is best explained as coincidence, and any meaning you ascribe to it is only a figment of your imagination. There is nothing impossible at all about the sequence of events. Nothing happened in any of the four planes that can't be perfectly explained by 4 teams, one in each plane, hijacking that plane after reaching cruising altitude and steering it toward a target.

- The pentagon plane was smaller than a 757.

No. The plane that was found WAS a 757, identified by hundreds or thousands of plane parts and all the passengers who had boarded it earlier.
The whole is not quite as large as the wingspan because the wingtips were the smallest and lightest part of the plane and didn't have nearly the impact of the fuselage, the engines and the wide wing parts that contain tons of fuel.

- The twin towers were demolished by planted radio controlled explosives.

[ETA] You forgot a little something: No material evidence whatsoever for this fantasy! [/ETA]

We can tell that the official story is a white lie.

No. Only in your imagination.

 

[I Ratant]

Are you serious? The people you are talking with are pilots and the engineers who BUILD THE PLANES! So the answer to your question is "Yes". And they know much more than you that a Tomahawk guidance system really is a stupid and unworkable idea.

No, you are making up crap by the truckload to troll this forum.

They are older and wiser than you, and have been BUILDING and FLYING and REPAIRING aircraft for decades. So if you keep this up, you are only making yourself look more foolish than when you started. If that was ever possible.

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I don't think it can get worse. And it's pretty damn bad now. But being a pessimist by profession (and an aeronautical engineer) I can expect the low point of this discussion is still coming... not yet breathing hard, but getting there.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

How can a Muslim (like Mehmetin) possibly know the ins & outs of planes?

The real question: Is Mehmetin an airplane mechanic or technition?

If he isn't, then he doesn't know much about planes. Maybe IED's, but not planes.

 

[EventHorizon]

As Muslim I have the motivation to find the truth. That's all.

I thought you wanted to keep religion out of this thread.

But why, as a Muslim, do you have motivation to find the truth? Are people of other religions liars? Are atheists liars? I don't get it.

And speaking of religion do you realize that your 1st point in your signature makes no sense?

1- The succession of the hijack proves that one team made the hijacks! No Muslims were involved.

That second sentence doesn't have anything to do with the first sentence. I'm not good at naming logical fallacies but I think I know a fallacy when I see it. I mean, it makes no sense. Can Muslims not work together as a team? Or do they require more than one team to work together?