Protests in Wisconsin - Scott Walker

BeAChooser said:
I think it would be quicker if you could explain why a tax cut is a spending increase ... which is what you originally claimed happened.
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First you'll have to substantiate your claim that Wisconsin's $140 million deficit is actually the result of tax cuts.

You've yet to do so.
 
BeAChooser said:
Nothing is stopping them from going ahead and breaking laws as a matter of moral or ethical principal. But they should still be charged with breaking those laws and do the time if convicted. As a matter of principle. Because if you don't like the law, change it. Otherwise, there will really be chaos. Laws will be meaningless if people can break them and get away with it with impunity. Afterall, I have moral and ethical principles as well ... ones that I think would make violating laws that democrats seem to like more than appropriate. And if you folks can get away with it, then why shouldn't I be able to? Of course, ever since Clinton, we've all known that democrats don't give a damn about the law. :D
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Mmm... you mean, like the governor's desire to throw out a contract between the state government and the teachers, because it is fiscally inconvenient? Is he proposing replacing collective bargaining with something else, or just tossing it? Gotcha.
 
BeAChooser said:
So you think a tax cut is a spending increase too? Leftist economics 101. So entertaining. So bogus. :D
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BeAChooser, either read what is posted or leave. I don't appreciate people being willfully ignorant in my threads.

Copied and pasted for you AGAIN

“Since his inauguration in early January, Walker has approved $140 million in new special-interest spending that includes:
“• $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation that still has $73 million due to a lack of job creation. Walker is creating a $25 million hole which will not create or retain jobs.
“• $48 million for private health savings accounts, which primarily benefit the wealthy. A study from the federal Governmental Accountability Office showed the average adjusted gross income of HSA participants was $139,000 and nearly half of HSA participants reported withdrawing nothing from their HSA, evidence that it is serving as a tax shelter for wealthy participants.
“• $67 million for a tax shift plan, so ill-conceived that at best the benefit provided to ‘job creators’ would be less than a dollar a day per new job, and may be as little as 30 cents a day.”
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http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0-5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html
 
The_Animus said:
You mean what was quoted repeatedly for you and linked to numerous times including the OP?
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LOL! I still don't see how what you quoted explains: tax cut = spending increase. :D

This is appropriate ... from the Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel:

http://dev.www.jsonline.com/newswatch/115010454.html

PolitiFact: A tax cut as spending increase? Pants on Fire.
Feb. 1, 2011

Liberal advocacy group One Wisconsin Now says the Republican-controlled Legislature has already passed $140 million in spending increases. Um. Actually, they're tax cuts. Pants on Fire.
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:D
 
BeAChooser said:
So you think a tax cut is a spending increase too? Leftist economics 101. So entertaining. So bogus. :D
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Saying "tax cut" doesn't magically turn something into a tax cut.

Find those tax cuts. Tell us who they benefit, and to what degree they contributed to the $137 million budget shortfall.
 
Emperor_Gestahl said:
Even if they're "right" and the republicans are "wrong" our form of government couldn't survive the precedent it would set. If the dems were to succeed here via crippling the legislature the repubs will start doing the same to any legislation they don't like. The entire machine would grind to a halt until we either forced votes or removed the quorum requirements. In either case the majority would have its way, that's how democracy is supposed to work. Hopefully it won't go that far.
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They were godsdamn well hired to do a job. It is not an easy job, sometimes you have to make decisions that are unpopular. But the job must be done, and they need to stand up and be counted. Throwing a hissy-fit is not doing the job.
They need to quit trying to save their own asses and do the job they were hired (elected) to do.
"There are some battles that never can be won/sometimes you have to just hold on and let the big horse run" David Mallette "Didn't Nobody Teach You"
 
esquel said:
Mmm... you mean, like the governor's desire to throw out a contract between the state government and the teachers
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Seems to me the teachers already threw it out ... when they called in sick and weren't.

Also, you are wrong ... the law Walker and company are trying to get passed doesn't throw out the existing contract. That contract is set to expire in June. The new law states (http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/ar...sin-unions-furious-with-Governor-Scott-Walker ) that starting July 1, there would be a 7-8% reduction in salary and loss of collective bargaining rights. And that any requests for a salary increase higher than the consumer price index would have to be approved by referendum, and public employee contracts would be limited to one year. Seems quite reasonable to me.

Have any more disinformation you want to spread?
 
BeAChooser said:
This is appropriate ... from the Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel:

http://dev.www.jsonline.com/newswatch/115010454.html
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Thank you. So Walker created a ~ $140 million budget deficite through additional spending tax credits and deductions, announced this deficite to be a budget crisis, and used this crisis as an excuse to eliminate collective bargaining rights of public employees who largely support the left.

Regardless of whether it was additional spending or tax credits and decuctions the underlying point hasn't changed.
 
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BeAChooser said:
I think it would be quicker if you could explain why a tax cut is a spending increase ... which is what you originally claimed happened.
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Simple arithmetic. Take away income and the outlays are that much greater by comparison. Throwing money away is the same as spending it, for accounting purposes.
 
BeAChooser said:
See my last post.
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Your point is made, and I will concede it. Although, I don't really see how raiding the current budget for tax cuts, thus creating a shortfall, can be seen as being to much different from actual spending.

And as The_Animus demonstrates, the underlying point remains. Walker created a deficit through corporate tax breaks, and is using that deficit as leverage to take way collective bargaining rights of certain (read: Democratic) unions - something which has no tangible fiscal value.
 
The_Animus said:
Regardless of whether it was additional spending or tax credits and decuctions the underlying point hasn't changed.
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Oh but it has. The voters would have been mad had he increased spending after campaigning on reducing the size of government.

And as to taxes, the folks who put him into office also knew he was a republican ... republicans like tax cuts. In fact, Walker also promised to cut taxes during his campaign.

Now are you complaining because he didn't break promises he made voters? :D
 
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