The Massei/Mignini Conspiracy Theory

LondonJohn said:
Where's the conspiracy here? The police had erroneously convinced themselves (from misinterpreting an ambiguously-written text message from Knox to Lumumba on the evening of 1st November) that Knox had arranged to meet Lumumba later that same evening, and that since Knox had denied meeting up with Lumumba, this meeting was linked to the murder.

No conspiracy, but I know how some like to bandy that little word around at the slightest opportunity. I'll shout it if you like, if it helps get it out there some more: CONSPIRACY!!!!! CT!!!!!! CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!!!
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The problem I have with this is that the police didn't discover the Lumumba text until the night they interviewed and then arrested Knox. So the Lumumba CT would have to have been cooked up in the space of 30 minutes, concurrently with Amanda's interview.

This is not evidence of the police hatching a plot, it looks a lot more a suspect trying to divert the police.
 
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bobc said:
The problem I have with this is that the police didn't discover the Lumumba text until the night they interviewed and then arrested Knox. So the Lumumba CT would have to have been cooked up in the space of 30 minutes, concurrently with Amanda's interview.

This is not evidence of the police hatching a plot, it looks a lot more a suspect trying to divert the police.
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You're wrong about it. They knew about the text exchange prior to the interrogation. Lumumba switched his SIM card, and for them it was evidence that he tries to hide his involvement. There was no conspiracy on the defendants part either, just the police too eager to jump to conclusions.
 
Groundhog day

LondonJohn said:
The Italian police did. They just got Knox to agree to it.
They already (according to an official statement from their chief) knew "the truth" before Knox ever sat down for her interrogation - a "truth" which involved Lumumba as one of the killers.
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False - groundhog day again LJ ;)

Juror said:
I don't think we will ever know definitively as the police did not tape that interrogation session with Knox.
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We do know definitively - Knox admitted it on the stand. See Link and Link

Cue Foakers explaining what AK really meant now that the 'forgetfulness' has been exposed.

Then do it all over in another months time.

Katody Matrass said:
You're wrong about it. They knew about the text exchange prior to the interrogation. Lumumba switched his SIM card, and for them it was evidence that he tries to hide his involvement. There was no conspiracy on the defendants part either, just the police too eager to jump to conclusions.
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False - or do you have testimony to back that up ??
 
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platonov said:
False - groundhog day again LJ ;)



We do know definitively - Knox admitted it on the stand. See Link and Link

Cue Foakers explaining what AK really meant now that the 'forgetfulness' has been exposed.

Then do it all over in another months time.




False - or do you have testimony to back that up ??
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Speak for youself. Absent a tape or transcript, all we have is a "she said/they said" regarding what happened with that interrogation.
 
Juror said:
Speak for youself. Absent a tape or transcript, all we have is a "she said/they said" regarding what happened with that interrogation.
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Cue Foakers explaining what AK really meant now that the 'forgetfulness' has been exposed.


AK has spoken for herself !

In this case 'they' agree - what more do you want :)

Or is AK now in on the conspiracy ?
 
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platonov said:
Cue Foakers explaining what AK really meant now that the 'forgetfulness' has been exposed.


AK has spoken for herself !

In this case 'they' agree - what more do you want :)
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The actual transcript or tape of what happened during the interrogation.
 
lionking said:
Missing the point. AK admitted that she fingered Patrick.
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Yeah, as suggested by the police and while stressed by them into state of shock and extreme exhaustion. Oh, almost forgot, and slapped round the head a few times.

I'm curious, what happened to those interrogation recordings, you think there's a chance the police will unearth them finally?
 
Katody Matrass said:
Hi again, P! I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one. It would be nicer to just ask before crying "false" if you admit ignorance.
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That's good enough for me - its not like every time we have a difference of 'opinion'
the facts are on my side :)
 
Katody Matrass said:
Yeah, as suggested by the police and while stressed by them into state of shock and extreme exhaustion. Oh, almost forgot, and slapped round the head a few times.

I'm curious, what happened to those interrogation recordings, you think there's a chance the police will unearth them finally?
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Cue Foakers explaining what AK really meant [Directly contradicting her own testimony] now that the 'forgetfulness' has been exposed.
 
Hi Silicho! :)

stilicho said:
That's the hallmark compelling most people to avoid it like a visit to the dentist (or maybe, considering this is the JREF, to the chiropractor).

Now if we could only get the burgeoning number of Knox threads merged into this one, in this section, we'd be able to get back to discussing actual social issues and current events in the social issues and current events forum.
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Have you noticed that the CT section generally has more people viewing it than the SI&CE section, and that has become even more pronounced since the temporary closing of the Amanda Knox thread? :)

Why, if I were a sinister David Marriot PR hack trying to spread my 'message' what better way than to 'convince' the mods that bottling it all up in one thread was unwise; thus permitting the gradual spread of Amanda Knox threads throughout the Forum? Last I looked there were now two in the SI&CE subforum, one in Forum Management, one in the CT subforum, and one even in Forum Community, a place where Knoxies heretofore dared not tread under threat of kittens and cookbooks!

Were I an intrepid investigator I would be looking very closely at who was online that disastrous night with Lionking and Treehorn. Then I would intently review those initial posts in the FM section and see whose twisted scheme might be coming to fruition; then note just who created his only thread ever in what has become the most trafficked subforum on the site. Subsequently I would see just who might be trying to cover his sly machinations by openly mocking the idea of a David Marriot 'grassroots' campaign at every opportunity. Oh, yes! I'd be keeping a very close eye on that demented individual indeed!
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FNORD!

(truth=coincidence but for some I know there's no such thing... :) )
 
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funk de fino said:
If that is the case then the fact they were a pair of lying morons didnt help. Who named Patrick by the way?
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Morons? Maybe. Raffaele by his own admission went in there so 'smoked' he forgot to take off his knife, and obviously the time to insist on a lawyer is before the twelve cops start working you over.

Lies though? What lies did they actually tell? Raffaele might have wrote something in his diary that is unlikely, but it is orders of magnitude more likely than that knife being involved in the murder. Since what Amanda told them 'matched the facts as we know them' according to the police chief, obviously naming Patrick wasn't a 'lie' to them.

Until of course the police started lying out of their warmest hole, what with them 'forgetting' to tape the crucial interrogation that they had twelve cops on for, and which led to the 'confession.'
 
Kaosium said:
Morons? Maybe. Raffaele by his own admission went in there so 'smoked' he forgot to take off his knife, and obviously the time to insist on a lawyer is before the twelve cops start working you over.

Lies though? What lies did they actually tell? Raffaele might have wrote something in his diary that is unlikely, but it is orders of magnitude more likely than that knife being involved in the murder. Since what Amanda told them 'matched the facts as we know them' according to the police chief, obviously naming Patrick wasn't a 'lie' to them.

Until of course the police started lying out of their warmest hole, what with them 'forgetting' to tape the crucial interrogation that they had twelve cops on for, and which led to the 'confession.'
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Tell me again. Did Amanda admit telling the police that Patrick did it or not? Try answering it without sophistry or invoking a conspiracy.
 
Juror said:
I don't think we will ever know definitively as the police did not tape that interrogation session with Knox.
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Not exactly, they said they 'forgot' to tape that interrogation, anything of which after 1:45 was required by law, and considering they taped all of her other 'witness' interviews and there were twelve cops eligible for the calunnia suit, and the one who said they 'forgot' in court lied about basically everything else she said, I'm inclined to believe she was lying about that too.
 
stilicho said:
Over two dozen judges agreed unanimously, so far, that the two were guilty. The "lone wolf" theory was rejected, with reasons published, within weeks of the murder. The real challenge facing the prosecution was the mountain of evidence they had to sift through and present for consideration. There was no element of a successful murder case missing.
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I would think that the best way to hide the fact that a murder case was missing would be to throw so much trash at the jury and raise suspicion with it that they might never even notice that it didn't make for a coherent whole or that it wasn't actually all that suspicious at all in its proper context. For example, I'd just luminol the whole damn floor and then pretend every single thing that came up might be blood evidence. I'd do the confirmatory tests for blood as well, but I'd be in no hurry to tell anyone the results if they weren't what I wanted, being as we wouldn't want to 'confuse' the jury. Maybe I'd just leave that part out and ask them to 'draw their own conclusions,' maybe say something about turnip juice to make them laugh.

I know one thing, I wouldn't go in there and tell anyone my case was weak, instead I'd brag of a 'mountain of evidence.' I'd just keep throwing more junk like places the murderer washed up where the defendant also washed up and then do my very best to pretend it wasn't possible for those mixtures to have been expected from a murderer washing up in the defendants sink. Maybe I'd even swab for DNA like I was swabbing the deck just to make sure as many mixtures as possible were found.


stilicho said:
I agree with Kaosium that there would have had to have been a blindingly effective conspiracy for all of this to have happened and the pair being innocent. If they really are guilty, there's no conspiracy whatsoever and the evidence is what it appears to be.
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I must say I agree with your last statement here too, Stilicho, the evidence is exactly what it appears to be: a desperate prosecution trying to cover up the fact they didn't find an iota of real evidence of murder outside that which they found of Rudy Guede.


stilicho said:
The whole incident really was a garden variety homicide involving more than one assailant. No "arcane knowledge" required.
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Fixed that for you! :)
 
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lionking said:
Tell me again. Did Amanda admit telling the police that Patrick did it or not? Try answering it without sophistry or invoking a conspiracy.
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She told the court the police kept trying to get her to say Patrick's name and eventually they convinced her he did it so she did. She 'vaguely' and 'confusedly' remembered the murder, as it was put in her statements of 1:45 and 5:45 AM on November 6th.

Incidentally she also testified that she was the one who said Patrick's name first, which of course it had to have been, they could hardly name Patrick then pretend it was a 'confession.' Instead she testified they kept asking her about who she sent that text to, information they obviously already knew. It looks like they were trying to obey the letter of the protocol whilst destroying its spirit.
 
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