Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

Mojo · Feb 15, 2011

DOC said:
Non sequitur to what was previous said in the last few pages and a strawman also because it implies something I didn't say.

On the other hand, what you wrote earlier (that the fact that the NT writers mentioned God frequently is evidence that they were telling the truth) would, if correct*, mean that there if Akhenaten writes that God masturbates 6 times a day, God has yellow teeth, God is bullied by the tooth fairy, God has an IQ of less than 3 and God sexually molests hamsters, then there would be evidence that what Akhenaten wrote was true.

*It isn't.

Lothian · Feb 15, 2011

DOC said:
if Akhenaten was willing to die for his beliefs as the historical figure Paul seemed to be,

What about Simon? Was Simon willing to die for his beliefs?

or Akhenaten was called (by a famous archaeologist) one of the world's greatest historians regarding non-supernatural events, as the gospel writer Luke was,

So you would believe any supernatural events Akhenaten described on account of him getting some trivial locations correct.

I would have to consider what he was saying as a possible piece of evidence to be placed with all the other pieces of evidence.

Demonstrating you have little idea of what evidence is.

DOC · Feb 15, 2011

Mojo said:
On the other hand, what you wrote earlier (that the fact that the NT writers mentioned God frequently is evidence that they were telling the truth)...

Never said this, You and others should respond directly to my post when you respond to a particular point I made. Although sometimes people will respond to part of a post I made and then talk mostly about something I might have said that is not in the post they are responding to.

Bring in my post your are talking about and then make your statement.

welshdean · Feb 15, 2011

welshdean said:
Right then DOC, a quick glance through the gospels, and I found this little beauty:

Matthew 4:8 (KJV)
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

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This verse begs two questions DOC.

Which 'exceeding high mountain' in the region would allow the devil to show Jesus 'all the kingdoms of the world'?

Do you agree that to see 'all the kingdoms of the world' from an elevated position (atop a mountain) the world would have to be a disc and not an oblate sphere as we know it is?

I await your reply.

You seem to have missed this one DOC.

Lothian · Feb 15, 2011

Mojo said:
On the other hand, what you wrote earlier (that the fact that the NT writers mentioned God frequently is evidence that they were telling the truth) would, if correct*, mean that there if Akhenaten writes that God masturbates 6 times a day, God has yellow teeth, God is bullied by the tooth fairy, God has an IQ of less than 3 and God sexually molests hamsters, then there would be evidence that what Akhenaten wrote was true.

Apparently mentioning God a few times is not enough. We need to add in some trivial facts and some supernatural events.

Akhenaten needs to write that God masturbates 6 times a day, God has yellow teeth, Water is wet, God is bullied by the tooth fairy, 2000 years ago fish was an important part of the diet in coastal regions, Lothian can fly, God has an IQ of less than 3, Mojo can influence the winner of football games by the power of his mind and God sexually molests hamsters.

We then need a liitle known historian who believes in Aberhaten to verify that people ate fish and bingo, it is more likely that God ***** hamsters that nothing existing before time.

Lothian · Feb 15, 2011

DOC said:
Never said this, You and others should respond directly to my post when you respond to a particular point I made.

Did you say

DOC said:
... obviously that helps the case for the truth of the NT since they wrote about God so often.......

welshdean · Feb 15, 2011

Originally Posted by Mojo
On the other hand, what you wrote earlier (that the fact that the NT writers mentioned God frequently is evidence that they were telling the truth)...

DOC said:
Never said this, You and others should respond directly to my post when you respond to a particular point I made. Although sometimes people will respond to part of a post I made and then talk mostly about something I might have said that is not in the post they are responding to.

Bring in my post your are talking about and then make your statement.

Lying again DOC? Now who do I believe, you the poster with a very long record of dishonesty in this thread, or my lying eyes?

DOC said:
I disagree, for reasons I gave in post 11808 and before. If you can show it is more reasonable to believe in a God then no God, then obviously that helps the case for the truth of the NT since they wrote about God so often. And thus that can be considered some evidence. See post 13 for a definition of evidence.

I'll go for option 2, my lying eyes!

All bolding mine

Lothian · Feb 15, 2011

welshdean said:
Lying again DOC? Now who do I believe, you the poster with a very long record of dishonesty in this thread, or my lying eyes?

I'll go for option 2, my lying eyes!

All bolding mine

You don't need to climb to the top of a very tall mountain to see DOC lies.

welshdean · Feb 15, 2011

So in Lothians post and mine (the two immediately above this post DOC) we've demonstrated 2 instances of you saying exactly that which you deny.

Now then DOC, satan, cheese-puffs and the mountain (posts 18134 & 18144)

Akhenaten · Feb 15, 2011

DOC said:
joobz said:

hmm, using your reasoning:

We know that Slavery existed.
We know that people would beat slaves.

Therefore, as the bible authors wrote a story showing jesus as condoning the beating of slaves, we can assume that this is evidence they were telling the truth.

I wonder what it means for the truth of the bible that China has better employee benefits than what Jesus advocated.

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Once again (as you have done many times before) you hurt your credibility by not at least mentioning that 9 translations of the bible translate the word as servant not slave.

And once again (as you have done hundreds of times before), you make this ridiculous assertion about another poster's credibility.

If, as you claim, joobz (on this particular occasion) is hurting his credibillity so much then how do you explain this:

Poster

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Opinion

Summary

DOCs: 1
Agree with DOC: 2
Neutral/Undetermined: 4
Disagree with DOC: 318

You are in no position to be casting aspersions about other people's credibility, now are you, DOC?

Whether you like it or not, your pathetic mini-rants about how you'd like to think other posters are perceived are a running joke amongst the 300+ contributors to this thread.

People wouldn't trust you to tell them the time, DOC, much less take your word on the evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

DOC said:
That's all I'm going to say about slavery for at least the next 5 pages because we've already talked about it in hundreds of other posts.

We've talked about it, DOC. All you have done is filibuster.

And make jokes like setting these arbitrary periods during which something will or won't happen.

I'm sure you've noticed, DOC, that some critics are wont to refer to proselytisers as liars for Jeebus, and while I'm not inclined to gainsay them, I can't but think Comedians for Christ might sometimes be more fitting. I wonder how it would look on the side of a blimp.

Akhenaten · Feb 15, 2011

DOC said:
So then you believe there is an equal possibility that the universe either came forth from nothing or it came forth from "something"?

Do you believe there is an equal possibility that the various accounts of Simon the Zealot meeting his end are true?

Show your working.

welshdean · Feb 15, 2011

Akhenaten said:
I wonder how it would look on the side of a blimp.

Noooooo! See you in AAH.

Mojo · Feb 15, 2011

DOC said:
On the other hand, what you wrote earlier (that the fact that the NT writers mentioned God frequently is evidence that they were telling the truth)...

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Never said this, You and others should respond directly to my post when you respond to a particular point I made. Although sometimes people will respond to part of a post I made and then talk mostly about something I might have said that is not in the post they are responding to.

Bring in my post your are talking about and then make your statement.

OK, here's the post where you said it (it's a post you are so proud of that you have referred back to it at least twice in the last 24 hours, so I'm a little surprised that you have forgotten about it):

DOC said:
And thus if a God is more likely to have created the universe and life, then that can be considered some evidence the NT writers were telling the truth since they refer to a God very often in their writings.

Akhenaten · Feb 15, 2011

Lucian said:
So then you don't understand what joobz is saying?

He doesn't understand what more than 300 of us are saying. It's . . . epic.

Akhenaten · Feb 15, 2011

DOC said:
Lothian said:

...Say I write God likes chocolate.

Welshdean writes God is a thief .

Akhenaten writes God masturbates 6 times a day, God has yellow teeth, God is bullied by the tooth fairy, God has an IQ of less than 3 and God sexually molests hamsters.

As Akhenaten wrote about God more often does that help the case that he is telling the truth?

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Non sequitur to what was previous said in the last few pages and a strawman also because it implies something I didn't say.

Floundering doesn't just refer to catching flat, tasty fish, does it?

Lothian's point here is quite well made, despite your desperate and poorly constructed objection. Using the amount that has been written about a subject as proof of its veracity has been central to your pathetic arguments both in favour of the New Testament and your own post-counting credibility.

DOC said:
But if Akhenaten was willing to die for his beliefs as the historical figure Paul seemed to be . . .

You have no evidence one way or the other, DOC, either for what this possibly real character, Paul, 'seemed' willing to do or for what the very real Akhenaten would do.

Your presumtion here is breathtakiingly arrogant.

DOC said:
. . . or Akhenaten was called (by a famous archaeologist) one of the world's greatest historians regarding non-supernatural events, as the gospel writer Luke was . . .

Again with this lie, DOC? The 300 are watching, you know.

And a new day will dawn, for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter, as they say.

DOC said:
I would have to consider what he was saying as a possible piece of evidence to be placed with all the other pieces of evidence.

Such as the deaths of Simon the Zealot? Show us what you've got, DOC, and we'll compare notes.

Akhenaten · Feb 15, 2011

DOC said:
Mojo said:

On the other hand, what you wrote earlier (that the fact that the NT writers mentioned God frequently is evidence that they were telling the truth)...

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Never said this, You and others should respond directly to my post when you respond to a particular point I made. Although sometimes people will respond to part of a post I made and then talk mostly about something I might have said that is not in the post they are responding to.

Bring in my post your are talking about and then make your statement.

Well, that went well for you, DOC.

Now, about Simon the Zealot . . .

Mojo · Feb 15, 2011

Frankly, "despoiler of hamsters" does not belong on the résumé of a supreme being.

TSR · Feb 15, 2011

Akhenaten said:
If you don't believe in the Aten then you must believe in Isis, Anubis, Seth and Osiris.

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Heck I *know* they exist. The Kokoropoulos kids. They lived three houses down, and we used to walk to school together. Had kind of a "thing" for Isis, but Seth woulda found someone to kick my butt if we had ever followed through.

Good times...
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Lothian · Feb 15, 2011

Mojo said:
Frankly, "despoiler of hamsters" does not belong on the résumé of a supreme being.

It is unusual but far less objectionable than filicide.

TSR · Feb 15, 2011

welshdean said:
REV 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Does this count?

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Well, technically that would be the Big Bada Boom Bada Bang...
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