Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The hijackings of all four aircraft on 9/11 were all carried out on the same day! This is clear evidence that the operation was controlled by MOSSAD from a central location by an agent with a calender!

My research has never been debunked.

 

[mehmetin]

Not true; a manual control system operated by a barely competent pilot is easily capable of hitting all three targets that were actually hit with the accuracy that they were hit. This includes, of course, the factor that the pilots were sufficiently incompetent that they nearly missed WTC2 and nearly hit the lawn before hitting the Pentagon. Nothing about the second and third attacks implies precision.

You still have to prove the presence of 19 people who are willing to suicide themself in the planes. Nothing proves the presence of 19 terrorists.

I am speaking about automatic systems that can hit precise target. The only one which is reliable, known, proved and used by many people in USA is the "tomahawk control system". Every evidence is consistent with such control system.

Agan, Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, with a side order of Affirming the Consequent.

Not possible by the unknown delays on take offs. It was impossible to predefine any takeover time for all planes before take off. So any synchronisation plan is impossible. The only possibility is ONE TEAM made operation.

Bare assertion fallacy, and appeal to your own authority. You actually know nothing about how the hijackers determined when to take over the planes, and nor does anybody else. Your opinion is that they should have hijacked flight 93 as soon as possible, but that's just your opinion; to give it any weight whatsoever would be cultural stereotyping.

I just know how and why ONE TEAM will control the planes, and all evidence is consistent with it.

The evidence is clear that 19 angry young men from Moslem communities carried out the 9/11 attacks. They're not you, and their interpretation of Islam is not yours. You don't need to defend them.

Your will, but that's not the truth. I do not defend any criminal, I am identifying the criminals, and they were Americans and Israelis.

ETA: Having read the thread further, I see that you consider Jewishness to be evidence of wrongdoing, and you appear to define a Jew as anyone who disagrees with you. In the light of that, please disregard anything in the above that appears suggestive of symathy or respect for your point of view.
Dave

The Jewishness is not evidence of wrong doing. But in case of Dr. Bazant, Tim Donald Timemrman and Pete Zalewski, their Jewishness is the only explanation why they may lied and/or participated to the events. Their jewishness is not a natural behavior, it's the need to help Israeli perpetrators who asked them help.

 

[Thunder]

You still have to prove the presence of 19 people who are willing to suicide themself in the planes. Nothing proves the presence of 19 terrorists. .

they bought tickets. they checked in for the flights. they sat down in their seats. what more do you want?

The Jewishness is not evidence of wrong doing. But in case of Dr. Bazant, Tim Donald Timemrman and Pete Zalewski, their Jewishness is the only explanation why they may lied and/or participated to the events. Their jewishness is not a natural behavior, it's the need to help Israeli perpetrators who asked them help.

what evidence do you have that they are Jews?

what evidence do you have of any Israelis asking them to assist in hijackings?

and more importantly, why do you hate Jews soo much?

 

[uke2se]

You still have to prove the presence of 19 people who are willing to suicide themself in the planes. Nothing proves the presence of 19 terrorists.

Except for all the evidence that does prove the presence of the 19 terrorists - DNA, documents, passenger manifests, video surveillance etc.

I am speaking about automatic systems that can hit precise target. The only one which is reliable, known, proved and used by many people in USA is the "tomahawk control system". Every evidence is consistent with such control system.

No evidence is consistent with such a control system. No evidence even suggests such a control system. All evidence suggest manual control of the aircraft by fundamentalist Muslim terrorists.

Not possible by the unknown delays on take offs. It was impossible to predefine any takeover time for all planes before take off. So any synchronisation plan is impossible. The only possibility is ONE TEAM made operation.

False. All the evidence points to four teams - one team per plane - who took over the planes at various points in time but within a certain time limit. In fact, the UA 93 crash proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I just know how and why ONE TEAM will control the planes, and all evidence is consistent with it.

False. No evidence is consistent with it.

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Your will, but that's not the truth.

It is the truth, proven beyond reasonable doubt.

I do not defend any criminal,

Yes, you do. You defend the 19 criminal fundamentalist Muslim hijackers by denying that they perpetrated the acts.

I am identifying the criminals, and they were Americans and Israelis.

False. You are accusing innocent people.

The Jewishness is not evidence of wrong doing. But in case of Dr. Bazant, Tim Donald Timemrman and Pete Zalewski, their Jewishness is the only explanation why they may lied and/or participated to the events.

False. You have not proven that any of these persons are Jewish, nor that they are wrong, even less that they lied. In fact, you have been caught in many lies in this thread, although it is possible to argue that your insanity is a reasonable cause of your lies.

Their jewishness is not a natural behavior,

Jewishness is a religious characteristic, not a behavior.

it's the need to help Israeli perpetrators who asked them help.

False.

 

[mehmetin]

mehmetin,

what is your material evidence that Pete Zalewski is a Jew?
What is your material evidence that Zdenek Bazant is a Jew?

What is your material evidence for any wrongdoing by Mr. Zalewski?
Whar are your logical arguments to refute Mr. Bazant, who is one of the world-leading professors of Structural Engineering?

Zalewski and Bazant names are used by Jew people.

Zalewski gave two successive unexplained orders exactly at the time of deviation of AA11. In a one team operation, they needed to make these two successive orders to check the first operation of the first time used control system. And it worked well.

Bazant is one of the world-leading professors of Structural Engineering! And he undersigned one of the biggest wrong report ever heard and he made that within two days. That's suspicious. Why he is wrong?
1- The free fall operation is impossible by natural collapse. Even if we consider his improbable outer columns buckling, the inner core columns could never buckle. So they will always bore some weight and thus free fall operation is impossible.
2- The upper part does not fall in one part from top to bottom.
3- The lower columns are too much thicker than upper columns; the progressive collapse up to the ground is impossible.

Your Dr. Bazant, the world-leading professors of Structural Engineering, can not be unaware of that. Then he published that report by knowledge that he was publishing a wrong report. He lied deliberately.

I assume that you hold yourself to the same standards that you want to hold us to, namely that you only accept material evidence and logic as arguments to support your claims.
I expect that you remove from your presentation every claim that you have no material evidence or compelling logic for.
I also expect that you retract your claims about Zalewski and Bazant, if you can't provide material evidence or compelling logic for them.

Sorry, I just proved the evidence, so you should ask that a justice investigates the behavior of Zalewski and Bazant!

 

[Thunder]

Zalewski and Bazant names are used by Jew people.

Zalewski is a very popular Polish Catholic name.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...x?p=zalewski+catholic&fr2=sb-top&fr=slv8-tyc8

Bazant is a Czech name, common amoung non-Jews.

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[uke2se]

Zalewski and Bazant names are used by Jew people.

This is not material evidence that either of the two are Jewish.

Zalewski gave two successive unexplained orders exactly at the time of deviation of AA11. In a one team operation, they needed to make these two successive orders to check the first operation of the first time used control system. And it worked well.

This is not material evidence that either of the two are Jewish.

Bazant is one of the world-leading professors of Structural Engineering! And he undersigned one of the biggest wrong report ever heard and he made that within two days. That's suspicious. Why he is wrong?

This is not material evidence that either of the two are Jewish.

1- The free fall operation is impossible by natural collapse. Even if we consider his improbable outer columns buckling, the inner core columns could never buckle. So they will always bore some weight and thus free fall operation is impossible.

This is not material evidence that either of the two are Jewish. It is also false.

2- The upper part does not fall in one part from top to bottom.

This is not material evidence that either of the two are Jewish. It is also false.

3- The lower columns are too much thicker than upper columns; the progressive collapse up to the ground is impossible.

This is not material evidence that either of the two are Jewish. It is also false.

Your Dr. Bazant, the world-leading professors of Structural Engineering, can not be unaware of that. Then he published that report by knowledge that he was publishing a wrong report. He lied deliberately.

This is not material evidence that either of the two are Jewish. It is also false.

Sorry, I just proved the evidence, so you should ask that a justice investigates the behavior of Zalewski and Bazant!

You proved nothing.

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[George 152]

If you are a hijacker, what would you do? Immediately attack the pilots, cut their throats and put blood everywhere by risking some malfunction in some instruments? Or at first ask them to leave their seat? Sure, ask them to leave their seat. That happened in all hijacks. So your imagination is too much flawed?

.

These mad muslims were intent on suicide.
They didn't hijack the aircraft for a nice little VFR cross country.
Instrument malfunctions were the least of their concerns..
You are really out there in Lala land

 

[mehmetin]

Tell me, since the pilots not entering the hijack code is the crux of, and imperative to, your delusion, er, argument....explain what you think would have changed if the pilots would have entered this code?

It's not imperative. It's an evidence that has been repeated in four planes and 8 pilots failed to do that. So that needs to be explained with realistic and true evidence. It's false to tell that the hijackers acted so quickly that none were able to key the code. The first thing that the hijackers should do is asking to the pilots to leave their seat. And that takes enough time for one of the pilots to enter the code.

Using that evidence and adding the following evidences, ....
- The first hijack happened within 16 seconds between two unexplained orders of Pete Zalewski. Only extremely quick dead could make that.
- We heard almost nothing about the pilots after takeover, not also by the false phone calls.
- It's impossible to make these hijacks using automatic control systems while the pilots are on board. The pilots should have been killed immediately.

... we should conclude that the pilots were gassed at the beginning of the hijacks. The passengers also have been gassed by the same gas injection into the plane. After that time, only on board automatic system was working on board.

 

[beachnut]

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Four different teams can not make such succession, each deviation beginning minutes before the precedent ends. That’s the conclusion of the slide 9.

This is nonsense.

At 7:59 Hijacker Mohamed Atta on Flight 11 calls hijacker Marwan Alshehhi in Flight 175 as both planes sit on the runway.

Oops, cell phones work on planes on the runway.

The coordination between aircraft is clearly visible by the successive aspect of red areas representing the hijacked flights of the planes. Such coordination is a mandatory outcome when the planes are controlled by one team using the technology. There is no way or possibility it can be achieved by four different terrorist teams hijacking the aircraft. Especially as the last plane, which took off with an unexplained delay of 41 minutes, should ...​

The aircraft took off at different times, this is NORMAL. The terrorist all had to wait for the plane to level off so they can kill the pilots and take a stable plane. Coordination for this is based on factors of flying, level off, take plane - navigate to the largest buildings in the USA. A job any kid could do save the murders, and crashing.

Unexplained 41 minute delay? This is normal, who has not been delayed for some small problem or maintenance problem, that person is lucky or does not fly often enough to experience lost luggage (many times my luggage is late, not on my plane, or delayed, and shows up by FedEx or special delivery) and delays, canceled flights, etc.

Oops, the unexplained delay is/was... for flight 93 ...

The aircraft was scheduled to depart at 08:00 and pushed back from its gate A17 at 08:01. It remained delayed on the ground and did not take off until 08:42 because of airport congestion. The three

Your claims are not backed with facts and evidence and make zero sense. Your time line stuff does not support anything. What was your point? 19 terrorists did it, I can see their poor flying inputs in the FDR; the worse pilots I have seen, the only thing they can do is crash.

Looks like they planned on taking off close together, but 93 was delayed due to traffic. Nothing here, and no superior timing efforts, Flight 93 terrorists failed, they were late taking over the flight. It must be hard for UBL to get good pilots to do terrorists acts, he ended up with chicken murderers who failed when the Passengers on Flight 93 figured out 911 in minutes. Why has 911 truth failed given 9 years?

 

[uke2se]

It's not imperative. It's an evidence that has been repeated in four planes and 8 pilots failed to do that. So that needs to be explained with realistic and true evidence.

You mean, as opposed to the kind of baseless assertions you attempt to pass as evidence?

It's false to tell that the hijackers acted so quickly that none were able to key the code.

Oh, it's false is it? Prove it. Using evidence, not assertion.

The first thing that the hijackers should do is asking to the pilots to leave their seat.

Are you composing a rule-book for terrorists now? If I was a terrorist, asking is the last thing I'd do.

And that takes enough time for one of the pilots to enter the code.

Maybe that's why the terrorists didn't ask? Dont you see how stupid your argument is? Of course you don't. Let me spell it out for you: "The terrorists would have done this and that because I just made it up that they would. This didn't happen, so there were no terrorists on the planes." This is retarded reasoning.

Using that evidence and adding the following evidences, ....
- The first hijack happened within 16 seconds between two unexplained orders of Pete Zalewski. Only extremely quick dead could make that.

What's so mysterious about these orders? Explain using evidence, not assertion.

- We heard almost nothing about the pilots after takeover, not also by the false phone calls.

Let me educate you on how an aircraft is laid out. The pilots sit in the front, the passengers in the back. It is hard for the passengers to see the pilots. It is likely that the fundamentalist Muslim hijackers herded their victims into the rear of the plane to keep them under control. This would leave them completely unable to see what happened to the pilots. Thus, your so called "evidence" is in fact evidence of nothing.

- It's impossible to make these hijacks using automatic control systems while the pilots are on board. The pilots should have been killed immediately.

The hijackings weren't executed using automatic control systems. The pilots were killed. You were saying?

... we should conclude that the pilots were gassed at the beginning of the hijacks.

No we shouldn't. Research isn't done by making stuff up. That's all you've managed to do, so you have in fact done no research at all.

The passengers also have been gassed by the same gas injection into the plane.

No they haven't. You have no evidence of this. What was it you said about "only material evidence"? When are you going to provide some? Because thus far you have been pulling stuff out of your anus, and none of it is material evidence for anything other than bigotry, racism and severe paranoia.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Four different teams can not make such succession, each deviation beginning minutes before the precedent ends. That’s the conclusion of the slide 9.

Yes they can, they use a piece of technology called a "watch".

They were invented back in the 15th century. Ever heard of 'em?

 

[Thunder]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/11timeline.jpg

I like how this timeline shows absolutely nothing. no miraculous time coincidences are shown.

 

[Carll68]

It's not imperative. It's an evidence that has been repeated in four planes and 8 pilots failed to do that. So that needs to be explained with realistic and true evidence. It's false to tell that the hijackers acted so quickly that none were able to key the code. The first thing that the hijackers should do is asking to the pilots to leave their seat. And that takes enough time for one of the pilots to enter the code.

Using that evidence and adding the following evidences, ....
- The first hijack happened within 16 seconds between two unexplained orders of Pete Zalewski. Only extremely quick dead could make that.
- We heard almost nothing about the pilots after takeover, not also by the false phone calls.
- It's impossible to make these hijacks using automatic control systems while the pilots are on board. The pilots should have been killed immediately.

... we should conclude that the pilots were gassed at the beginning of the hijacks. The passengers also have been gassed by the same gas injection into the plane. After that time, only on board automatic system was working on board.

You should try reading for comprehension.

Sooo....are you going to answer the question? Since the crux of your argument hinges upon no distress codes being entered...how do you feel the entering of these codes would have altered the days events?

IF ONLY I WOULD HAVE DIALED 9-1-1 AFTER THE GUNMAN STARTED SHOOTING ME, I MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE. <<< This is your logic chief.

 

[DGM]

... we should conclude that the pilots were gassed at the beginning of the hijacks. The passengers also have been gassed by the same gas injection into the plane. After that time, only on board automatic system was working on board.

It's real nice to be able to claim fake to anything inconvenient.

Bye-Bye.

 

[mehmetin]

The aircraft took off at different times, this is NORMAL. The terrorist all had to wait for the plane to level off so they can kill the pilots and take a stable plane. Coordination for this is based on factors of flying, level off, take plane - navigate to the largest buildings in the USA. A job any kid could do save the murders, and crashing.

Nothing explains time difference from 15 to 53 minutes while the reverse should happen if 4 different teams. I mean the first plane should deviate with delay while the last one should be deviated soon after take off. Exactly the reverse happened and with big difference. You can be silent, blind to that, but the facts are here. There is no reason to the first plane deviate after 15 minutes while the last one deviated after 53 minutes.

Unexplained 41 minute delay? This is normal, who has not been delayed for some small problem or maintenance problem, that person is lucky or does not fly often enough to experience lost luggage (many times my luggage is late, not on my plane, or delayed, and shows up by FedEx or special delivery) and delays, canceled flights, etc.

Oops, the unexplained delay is/was... for flight 93 ...

In Newark airport, on 9/11/2001, there was 14 take offs between 7:00 and 7:05. There was also 15 take offs between 8:10 and 8:41! (See bts.gov) There was no heavy traffic between 8:10 and 8:41. That means they delayed that plane to make its treatment by the control team possible by making it return into the planned Pittsburgh area.

Your claims are not backed with facts and evidence and make zero sense.

That’s your will, but not the reality.

Your time line stuff does not support anything. What was your point? 19 terrorists did it, I can see their poor flying inputs in the FDR; the worse pilots I have seen, the only thing they can do is crash.

The successive aspect or the red bars is clearly visible. You can not deny that. That successive aspect is impossible to be made by 4 different teams.

Looks like they planned on taking off close together, but 93 was delayed due to traffic. Nothing here, and no superior timing efforts, Flight 93 terrorists failed, they were late taking over the flight.

If there were 4 terrorists on that plane, they’d takeover the controls about 15 minutes after take off. In such case, they would not be late and they should have succeeded. But, as there were no terrorists, but the central control team was still busy on Pentagon strike, they waited 9:35 before take it over.

It must be hard for UBL to get good pilots to do terrorists acts, he ended up with chicken murderers who failed when the Passengers on Flight 93 figured out 911 in minutes.

UBL has no pilots. No Muslims who are ready to suicide themselves are able to make such strikes.

Why has 911 truth failed given 9 years?

911truth is led by disinfo agents. I am not more related to them.

 

[mehmetin]

You should try reading for comprehension.

Sooo....are you going to answer the question? Since the crux of your argument hinges upon no distress codes being entered...how do you feel the entering of these codes would have altered the days events?

IF ONLY I WOULD HAVE DIALED 9-1-1 AFTER THE GUNMAN STARTED SHOOTING ME, I MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE. <<< This is your logic chief.

It's not the crux of my argument! You should undersand my words. Ok, my english is not perfect, you may need to get some more effort to understand, but it's not impossible to understand and you can ask more precise questions.

I do not need to explain and consider what would happened!

The absence of entered "hijack key codes" is a fact that has been repeated in four planes and 8 pilots failed to do that. (Is that understood?)

If you understood that, you can agree that this should be explained with realistic and true reasons. Why none of the pilots failed to key the code?

It's false to tell "the hijackers acted so quickly that none were able to key the code".

The first thing that the hijackers should do is asking to the pilots to leave their seat. And that takes enough time for one of the pilots to enter the code.

Using that evidence and considering the following evidences, ....
- The first hijack happened within 16 seconds between two unexplained orders of Pete Zalewski. Only extremely quick dead could make that.
- We heard almost nothing about the pilots after takeover, not also by the false phone calls.
- It's impossible to make these hijacks using automatic control systems while the pilots are on board and live. The pilots should have been killed immediately.

... we should conclude that the pilots were gassed at the beginning of the hijacks. The passengers also have been gassed by the same gas injection into the plane. After that time, only on board automatic system was working on the plane. The remote team can control the flying plane without any obstacle.

 

[uke2se]

It's not the crux of my argument! You should undersand my words. Ok, my english is not perfect, you may need to get some more effort to understand, but it's not impossible to understand and you can ask more precise questions.

It's not that people don't understand you. It's that people are too intelligent to be duped by the same crap that you have.

I do not need to explain and consider what would happened!

Yes, you do because you have argued that it would have made a difference. If you want to claim that you haven't, you have simply been talking nonsense (as in, absolutely incoherent nonsense as opposed to the ordinary nonsense you spout).

The absence of entered "hijack key codes" is a fact that has been repeated in four planes and 8 pilots failed to do that. (Is that understood?)

Yes. The fact that this has been understood has been clearly communicated to you. Is that understood?

If you understood that, you can agree that this should be explained with realistic and true reasons. Why none of the pilots failed to key the code?

And it has been.

It's false to tell "the hijackers acted so quickly that none were able to key the code".

No, it isn't false. It is false for you to say that it is false.

The first thing that the hijackers should do is asking to the pilots to leave their seat. And that takes enough time for one of the pilots to enter the code.

No that is not the first thing that hijackers should do. Apparently the hijackers - while vile and reprehensible - were more intelligent than you.

Using that evidence and considering the following evidences, ....

That wasn't evidence.

Since your points below is simply a repost of a post I already responded to, i will copy and paste my responses.

- The first hijack happened within 16 seconds between two unexplained orders of Pete Zalewski. Only extremely quick dead could make that.

What's so mysterious about these orders? Explain using evidence, not assertion.

- We heard almost nothing about the pilots after takeover, not also by the false phone calls.

Let me educate you on how an aircraft is laid out. The pilots sit in the front, the passengers in the back. It is hard for the passengers to see the pilots. It is likely that the fundamentalist Muslim hijackers herded their victims into the rear of the plane to keep them under control. This would leave them completely unable to see what happened to the pilots. Thus, your so called "evidence" is in fact evidence of nothing.

- It's impossible to make these hijacks using automatic control systems while the pilots are on board and live. The pilots should have been killed immediately.

The hijackings weren't executed using automatic control systems. The pilots were killed. You were saying?

... we should conclude that the pilots were gassed at the beginning of the hijacks.

No we shouldn't. Research isn't done by making stuff up. That's all you've managed to do, so you have in fact done no research at all.

The passengers also have been gassed by the same gas injection into the plane. After that time, only on board automatic system was working on the plane.

No they haven't. You have no evidence of this. What was it you said about "only material evidence"? When are you going to provide some? Because thus far you have been pulling stuff out of your anus, and none of it is material evidence for anything other than bigotry, racism and severe paranoia.

The remote team can control the flying plane without any obstacle.

But there was no remote team, so that didn't happen.

 

[beachnut]

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The absence of entered "hijack key codes" is a fact that has been repeated in four planes and 8 pilots failed to do that. (Is that understood?) ...

Pilots are sitting at the front of the plane, in a small space, facing forward, the control column is right at their hands and extends to the floor.

Terrorists run into the cockpit and cut the pilots throats, from behind. Not a lot of time to put in a code, let alone key the mic.

Do you have any clue how to set a hijack code? 8 pilots failed because they were dying. These murderers you apologize for killed 8 pilots and any passengers or crew who resisted them, they did not ask you to move, they killed you. They did not ask the pilots to get out, they killed them.

The only way the plot can succeed is to remove the pilots, the only people on board who can render the planes incapable of flight in seconds! They had to kill the pilots in seconds, or they might fail. The terrorists did not care if the pilots set the hijack codes. It makes no difference, the USA did not intercept automatically hijacked planes before 911!

It is too bad UBL had to rely on such bad pilots. Why is UBL unable to recruit real pilots for his suicide missions? These guys got FAA tickets, but they were not very good. I wonder if their families are proud of them? Why have their families not claimed their DNA/remains? Is it bad in Islam to murder by surprise, cut throats, kill women who beg to live? Got this on the CVR, the terrorist killing people; why did they do it? Why do you apologize for them and lie, blaming the Jews? Do you hate this much?

 

[Zep]

Oh dear.

This antisemitic scumbag is now invading JREF. Sorry for being harsh in my first post in this thread, but on a french-speaking canadiam skeptical forum, we had a discussion with him, and it appears that:

‒ He believes that there was hypnotic gas which was spread into the airplanes. Evidence? A James Bond movie. Because this technology was known.
‒ He believes that Dylan Avery & Co., Judy Wood and Zdenek Bazant have narrow links with Israel.
‒ He stills states that "muslims didn't do 9/11", which is the biggest strawman I've ever seen.
‒ He believes KSM is a jew.
‒ He states that the video when we see Mohamed Atta registering his flight was faked by Zionists.
‒ He states that all the confessional videos were faked by Zionists.
‒ He states that "Tim Donald Timmermann" is a jew because Timmermann is a common family name in Israel.
‒ And so on.


Because "Zalewski" sounds jewish for mehmetin.
Because "Zdenek" sounds jewish for mehmetin too.

He spots jews everywhere just by guessing. He was guessing so much he got banned from the forum I mentioned above. And he will deny to be antisemitic despite all that crap.

All this has been (painfully) obvious from very early on.

Tell us: Does he learn from his mistakes? I'm suspecting not...